Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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Darryl M R
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This is why Trump won.
Zen_Arcade
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That's pretty baseless, but please, keep telling me what I would and would not defend when it comes to comedy.
Generalpsyduck
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Holding different views and antisemitic hate speech are very diffrent things.
-Mutsukki-
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Are people really doing that? I kinda skimmed, but most people are saying Pewd did a bad joke, but that doesn't exactly make him a nazi.
I'm hoping this will put him to his senses since I was actually really liking his channel recently
That's absolutely not his angle. He said that if he was going to say shit about his friend, he should be upfront about it and not behind his back and he's 100% right
QuantumSquid
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I don't think PewDiePie hates Jewish people.
This is not a political view.
Generalpsyduck
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Wheather he hates jews or not is irrelevant he payed 2 guys to make an antisemitic poster and then posted it online.
Atraveller
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I was wrong.
Memorabilia
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That has nothing to do with it. Don't create imaginary schisms in this discussion where none exist. Every comedian in existence has floated bad jokes that were meant to be funny but just didn't come off right, didnt click with a particular audience, or were flat out unintentionally offensive.
You don't call someone out by trying to vilify them, while not even @ them or anything, so that they can easily defend themselves. It probably looked way worse for Austin in the view of his fanbase, than anything Jon's said did in his, considering there's a big overlap of people who love both of them in their fanbases.
SlowRevolution
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what a fucking idiot.
QuantumSquid
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It's very relevant. He's not a neo-Nazi, he just did something really fucking stupid.
Doesn't matter. Him pulling this crap is normalizing it as a suitable form of humour. It's not. It's hate. There was a war in the 40s. Maybe look it up and refresh your memory as to why it's never appropriate.
Dongs Macabre
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Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. It doesn't really matter what his intent was when his actions speak for themselves.
Forsaken82
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Never liked the guy for other reasons. Glad my disdain for him is 100% justified now beyond just a personal opinion.
-Mutsukki-
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Yeah, they founded NormalBoots and all that, the two of them were close. Austin basically became known because of Jon honestly. Nowadays I've unsubscribed from JonTron and still love all PBG videos, but I can't overlook that, he did a shitty thing that he also apologized for a day later.
Atraveller
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Look way worse for him? Have you seen what JonTron was tweeting?
Like the teens in Texas shooting Nazi salutes and saying heil Hitler during their class photos, those impressionable teens? Audience that leaves comments like these on his videos
Culpability, culpability, culpability. He's an internet person, he reads his comments, he knows damn well the alt-right movement going on and what they want to hear. It's no coincidence he's also pulling the "look at the lying media attacking me!" from their playbook. I can guarantee you a person can make it as a comedian or youtuber without having to use anti-semtic phrases as punchlines. I guarantee you he could have used a thousand different phrases in that fiverr skit that could have gotten shock value without using the holocaust as a punchline making neo nazis and alt righters laugh. No, he chose "Death to all jews". Fucking hilarious right? Theres a Jewish center like 4 blocks down from me, maybe I should take his video down there and see if they get a good laugh out of it, right?
Milo claims he's not a racist, bigot or white nationalist either. People enjoying the fame and money look for any reason to escape culpability. It doesn't make their hands clean when people are shaking their heads and going "Why have things gotten so bad??" He's not stupid, nor are comics, stars and other youtubers who pull this stuff. These are calculated things they do along with the criticism he is getting being used to play himself as a victim and galvanise his audience.
Zen_Arcade
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That's ridiculous. Context and intent matter far more in language than actual words do.
Iva Demilcol
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jacob armitage
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Indeed, its a little extra upsetting knowing a lot of his audience is youth.
Even if done in idiotic jest, showing them that this type of humour is acceptable is not tolerable.
Memorabilia
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Well, partially yes. But, Trump won because of a variety of factors, some of the most salient having to do with the Democratic party (and the DNC) itself.
Generalpsyduck
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Hes not a neo-nazi but he is still complicit in spreading hate speech to a large audience of mostly children.
QuantumSquid
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I agree.
kittenbreath
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I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but I'm always surprised to discover that someone is a nazi.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I'm going to assume this is a joke
word
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Don't know because we don't have an incident of that to discuss.
In the eyes of the fanbase. I know what Jon's been saying, but their collective fanbase of teenagers will probably thing "Austin's being a dick to Jon, so Jon's probably in the right!" and start listening to his opinion more than before.
pizzaparty
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Guy who used to make rape """jokes""" makes more videos in bad taste. Shocking.
jacob armitage
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I don't think hes actually advocating that thats why Trump won, more so making fun of people who would make that argument.
Calm Mind
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Nine times.
if you were doing something that inadvertently promoted white supremacist views or antisemitism you wouldn't stop because it's just a joke?
Discotheque
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i feel like almost every youtube or internet celebrity is inherently going to be an alt righter.
the kids love it. pepe and all that shit.
edit: *inevitably
the kids love it. pepe and all that shit.
edit: *inevitably
-Mutsukki-
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He is? Has he made any statement about this? I'm pretty sure he didn't.
I do think that he was a little to fixated on nazi imagery recently, but you could tell it was all ironic and not in a worshipping kind of way. I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying that he finally crossed the line he has been treading for a while now
The Nostalgia Critic seems like a good guy when he comments on this stuff
Also we have Jim Fucking Sterling
paperspace
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What does that make him?
Generalpsyduck
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9 times is a hell of a lot of warnings especially from a company like Disney.
sensui-tomo
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Boogie is defending PdP too, and complaining that disney made fun of nazis....
and he deleted it
picture was donald being a dork trying to imitate hitler.
and he deleted it
picture was donald being a dork trying to imitate hitler.
Comedians only really ad-lib to the extent you're suggesting if they're being heckled or if the setting calls for it, like Whose Line?. But jokes intended for a set tend to be thought about, written, and re-written until it feels right, at which point it's test run on an audience wherein they may fine tune it later if they didn't get the response they wanted. But the main point is, a comedian worth their salt won't make the mistake of fundamentally writing a Holocaust joke wherein the ultimate punchline is the Jewish people for having the gall to be victims to it. It's such an easy trap to fall into that most just, well, don't, which shows just how thoughtless PDP was. He, like most other people, think that just by kidding around you get a free pass to say anything you want to.
A joke misfiring doesn't make a Nazi. However, being an asshole to strangers while also slapping on crude Nazi jokes does at least make one not all that sympathetic to Jewish people either.
And just as I said before, satire is meant to expose a problem with people or society by highlighting their flaws while also making a call to action. There's nothing flawed with not speaking English, nor is he providing a call to action for anything even if not speaking English was a problem. Seriously, if just pointing out how every human being on Earth is subject to persuasion is satire then literally every practical joke would fall under satire.
Dashie knows if he spouted that shit he'd never be welcome back to the cookout.
He's a scumbag. I don't care if he hates Jews or not, he paid for the creation and distribution of anti-semitic propaganda, full stop. What he "feels" ceases to be of any importance when his actions are clearly anti-semitic.
No one knows what he actually believes,regardless of which side they fall. That's why we judge people on their actions, not what they think. What you say and what you do -- you're responsible for these things. Think whatever you want in complete freedom from consequence, by when that force evolves a form, you're responsible for bringing that into the world and people are going to -- fairly -- judge you on your works.
No one knows what he actually believes,regardless of which side they fall. That's why we judge people on their actions, not what they think. What you say and what you do -- you're responsible for these things. Think whatever you want in complete freedom from consequence, by when that force evolves a form, you're responsible for bringing that into the world and people are going to -- fairly -- judge you on your works.
-Mutsukki-
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He did not get warned 9 times by Disney though? Just this once and it was not a warn but cutting ties entirely
jacob armitage
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I'm not trying to defend Boogie in anyway, just saying hes right leaning with his politics
Memorabilia
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It's difficult to tell when these discussions (understandably) get a little heated. There's plenty of "blame" to go around when it comes to explaining our new President... Some of it is even rational. Lol
Generalpsyduck
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Im sure Disney gave him at least a couple warnings about his antisemitic actions.
Iva Demilcol
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And if the WSJ hadn't contacted Disney, they would've act as if nothing happened and PDP would've uploaded a couple more videos with "jokes" like this already.
He did, it was his "apology" video, which was one of the three videos he pulled. The apology was "people are making a big deal about this and it was just a joke, they don't get it" and look at all these media outlets attacking me for this and lying about me to get hits. Yea they are right about what I did, but they are still lying about me and attacking me because i'm famous, boo hoo. If you search he still has some videos up playing the victim about being called out for this stuff.
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