Zero. He's never, ever shown any true leaning toward that bullshit.
Hopefully this will make him more sensitive to the damage his influence could do.
Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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Zero. He's never, ever shown any true leaning toward that bullshit.
Hopefully this will make him more sensitive to the damage his influence could do.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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CrimsonSquall
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I criticize people on my side all the time. I'm with Bill Maher, the liberal left needs to get off their fucking high horse and stop throwing piss at peoples faces when we don't agree with them invading our safe spaces.
of course these people should still be liable to the court of public opinion and be able to lose their jobs, sponsorships or whatever have u for being openly racist, bc that behavior is trash
ModestMouseTrap
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Let's break it down,
I'm pro LGBT rights, pro choice, pro path to citizenship, pro gun control pro union and against Trumps travel ban's. I'm not anti government and pro socialist/ social democratic policies.
Don't presume to know me.
I'm about as liberal as it gets dude. Do you even know what defines being on the left? Are we now at doing some sort of litmus test where if you don't fit perfectly in the hive mind you are suddenly "no true Scotsman"?
This is a joke post, right?
SaniOYOYOY
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really someone please post that 2 guy moment video with its timestamp. I watched him daily and I dont remember such content, at least for last couple of days. so why now?
oh he is so gonna joke the hell out of this in his next video(s)
oh he is so gonna joke the hell out of this in his next video(s)
Eric the Red
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I wouldn't lump this in with the same kind of JonTron/Notch type asshole death-spiral as this doesn't actually reflect on Pewdie's social/political views, imo.
He's doing kind of what kids do when they throw something out into the ether just to see the reaction. Like a prank call. Is Seymour Butz there? Omg he's saying he wants a see more butts! Full stop, the phrase is too ugly to work as a joke with no context. The phrase aside, maybe the setup works if you get a awkward reaction out of the people but they don't speak english and he just ends up looking kind of mean.
Him having someone hold up a sign saying Hilter did nothing wrong? Not funny. Having a guy dressed up as Jesus wearing a Trump hat hold up a sign saying HIlter did nothing wrong? Ok that's kind of funny. The problem is neo-nazis are actually coming back so throwing out that kind of phrasing no longer has the inherent absurdity to work. And, as was quoted, the exposure brings them further into the mainstream.
I don't think Disney dumping him is wrong. He probably needs to learn this lesson. But he's not sympathetic to neo-nazis, he's not dog whistling to them either, and he's not laughing at non-english speakers.
He's doing kind of what kids do when they throw something out into the ether just to see the reaction. Like a prank call. Is Seymour Butz there? Omg he's saying he wants a see more butts! Full stop, the phrase is too ugly to work as a joke with no context. The phrase aside, maybe the setup works if you get a awkward reaction out of the people but they don't speak english and he just ends up looking kind of mean.
Him having someone hold up a sign saying Hilter did nothing wrong? Not funny. Having a guy dressed up as Jesus wearing a Trump hat hold up a sign saying HIlter did nothing wrong? Ok that's kind of funny. The problem is neo-nazis are actually coming back so throwing out that kind of phrasing no longer has the inherent absurdity to work. And, as was quoted, the exposure brings them further into the mainstream.
I don't think Disney dumping him is wrong. He probably needs to learn this lesson. But he's not sympathetic to neo-nazis, he's not dog whistling to them either, and he's not laughing at non-english speakers.
Pathfinder
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Well, if it was in fact Disney who decided to end the contract with him after they acquired Maker, then saying Disney cut ties with him wouldn't be overselling anything because that's what happened.
You mean the moment the fiver guys did the death to commit?
Not the original vid, but it's the moment. Honestly, I think he looks a genuinely shocked it happened. not saying that excludes him from responsibility, but I think it helps show his intent wasn't overt.
Deaf Spacker
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What a loser.
Isn't there some white nationalist website that claims to be his biggest fan?
Isn't there some white nationalist website that claims to be his biggest fan?
Nope, but maybe then too--he's picked a few fights with him. Here's one:
Damn how childish can you get? You know he probably followed Martinet because he's a Mario fan in the first place, but know he can't help but be a jerk. It's a shame, sometimes I watch one of his video where he's completely normal and I really want to like him, but he is so all over the place. I don't have time for a guy like that.
His reaction + 'subscribe to keemstar is pretty telling.
How dense are people?
Right.
CortexVortex
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It's just dark humour. I don't really see the problem here, as I've heard dozens of comedians doing worse jokes when they're visiting Germany.
The guy says 'subscribe to keemstar'.
Am I crazy or is his intent pretty obvious here?
Anyway, i agree its juvenile and repercussions by Disney or Youtube are not unreasonable. Its accusations of being a nazi that are weird.
I misstook your focus on 1 Gaf poster and absurd overdramatization like "McCarthyism" and "red scare", both serious accusations resembling poor grasp on history as variation of "I'm a left, but/ I'm not a conservative but/ I'm not a racist, but..."
Apologies for getting you wrong.
I think people's main issue stems from two things here:
1. It's not like PewDiePie is using the humour to make some kind of intelligent snipe, or using it as controlled satire. He's just throwing it out there for shock value, and it's really juvenile.
2. His audience is impressionable, and in the current climate we really need to be aware of how dangerous this can be.
Yeh, edited. Just noticed.
SaniOYOYOY
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yeah I look up on his channel, he delete that 11 January video, probably realizing the potential backlash. he did apology for it tho
and ofc that guy in video cut his apology. fucking internet I had enough of this shit. Major from hometown are in trouble because of some asshole crop one of his speech
lol it makes me cringe when people pretend they don't know who someone is just to prove a point
Pathfinder
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Michael Richards thought he was doing dark humor too. It didn't work out too well for him.
Google him.
UberTag
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Apology or not it was an unforgivable lapse of judgement for someone whose audience predominantly consists of children.
He had a responsibility to uphold and he violated it. There is no excusing it.
I realize lots of people do it and it's genuinely troubling too because so many hide behind terms like "irony" and "satire." And things escalates so fast it becomes genuinely hard to distinguish them from a real scumbag. It's become a common tactic by many these days to even hide their scumbaggery behind certain terms. Things are free game when you hide behind certain terms.
So it's an ongoing terrible joke just to get a reaction out of people that escalated to a point of him now getting called out and Disney severing ties with him.
And I just want to say, buying a thing that says "kill all jews" is no different from a genuine scumbag who would buy these things out of sincerity and belief. It's spreading of hate regardless, and he has no real message in the video at all. It's lazy and half-assed. When you're a star the perception of you can be tainted really easy, especially easier if you're involved in stupid crap like that and will get used against him for ages.
No, it's not "unforgivable", that's ridiculous.
His actions /now/ will show us whether or not he's an ally or a problem. His actions have sat him on the line before, regardless of his intent. I really hope he does good here form now on as from everything I gather about him he seems like a decent person (just needs to reign his shit in).
And this is the problem. He may not mean what he says, but what he says has real implications and impacts.
He /needs/ to quit with the bigoted shock humour. He can still be juvenile (which is actually a big part of his charm sometimes, imo) without it.
SaniOYOYOY
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yeah thats why he delete the video.
I dont understand you.. if apologizing after a mistake that you made accidentally is not enough for you, what then?
I hope so. He is learning alright tho. his content now is miles ahead from where he started
ModestMouseTrap
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The mistake you make is presuming that I'm referring to the neogaf community.
It's everywhere in the media and social media right now man, you don't have to look far to see accusations all over the place. It's hard defending some of my friends on the left right now. Many of these people are seriously accusing others of Naziism for diverging from liberal values at all. It's like all sense of reason has flown out the window and people view all issues as binary.
I'm not talking about Richard Spencer types. I'm talking everyday normal people and sometimes people with offcolor senses of humor.
It's not the same and completely robs the word of any meaning when REAL nazis start showing up thanks to all of the crying wolf.
I should point out that personally, as someone who's been following PDP on and off over the years, I was getting really annoyed with all the jew jokes. If that means he'll stop doing them from now on then great. And I'm glad those jokes came back to bite him in the ass, he should learn to deal with it.
Now with that said, when I first saw the Fiver video with the infamous sign, I laughed so hard, it was so ridiculous. Like, PewDiePie videos aren't what I would call refined or clever, but the comedic timing on this particular video was so good. He spends the first part of it asking people to do random shit, and then goes to sleep. The second part of the video is the next day, and he forgot most of what he said and just look at what people actually did. Then the two guys appear, and you along with him are wondering "oh boy, what did he ask these guys again?" and here it comes. The constrast is so disarming, it took me by surprise. And then the "subscribe to Keemstar" to seal the deal.
Ultimately it is a very juvenile and offensive joke that toys with antisemitism, the very thing I was annoyed with him. But that timing, that context, at the time I just laughed. Ironically, one of the rare time PDP actually struck me as an actual good comic.
Now with that said, when I first saw the Fiver video with the infamous sign, I laughed so hard, it was so ridiculous. Like, PewDiePie videos aren't what I would call refined or clever, but the comedic timing on this particular video was so good. He spends the first part of it asking people to do random shit, and then goes to sleep. The second part of the video is the next day, and he forgot most of what he said and just look at what people actually did. Then the two guys appear, and you along with him are wondering "oh boy, what did he ask these guys again?" and here it comes. The constrast is so disarming, it took me by surprise. And then the "subscribe to Keemstar" to seal the deal.
Ultimately it is a very juvenile and offensive joke that toys with antisemitism, the very thing I was annoyed with him. But that timing, that context, at the time I just laughed. Ironically, one of the rare time PDP actually struck me as an actual good comic.
Nope, but maybe then too--he's picked a few fights with him. Here's one:
Off topic and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember Obama birth certificate being shown by the white house to shutdown accusation! Why does his birth certificate not being shown comes up so often?
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Because racist idiots are still idiots
So basicaly you're saying he aint allowed to make mistakes? No matter what good he might do in the future, he will always be defined in your eyes by this singular moment? Him raising money for charity count for nothing?
ArchedThunder
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Seeing Jontron's name here worries me, is Jontron an asshole?
Also GameXplain's done lots of stuff with TheBitBlock... I hope they aren't like this too.
He exposed himself as a Gamergate/sexist/overall dumbfuck a few weeks ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1337252&highlight=jontron
UberTag
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His audience is kids. If PewDiePie wasn't self-employed and was a teacher or the host of some kids show and used "death to all jews" as a joke just for the sake of shock and yuks, he'd be fired. I simply hold him to the same standard.
You can't downplay this. He has to earn that trust back. You can't hold him to the same standard you hold people whose content isn't geared towards children. A simple apology might suffice for them. It's not enough here. I would forbid my kids from watching his content in the future without pre-screening it first.
One things for sure, he's definitely becoming more self-aware (yeh, was still making these dumb jokes, but much of his new content was reflective). Hopefully it's an upwards trajectory and this event will give him a decent boost toward the better.
Radicals on both sides make the conversation between those of us more in the middle than the fringe much more difficult.
The amount of times I've tried communicating with seemingly reasonable right leaning people and been given the defensive response of "you liberals are all the same, anything you dislike is branded a nazi" without call for the comment is pretty alarming.
Defences are up on both sides, as are pitchforks. We really do need to be careful where the throw our accusations.
Some people don't live on Youtube so it's entirely possible for people not to have heard of him.
I only found out who he was, because he did a stupid interview at Dreamhack.
chaobreaker
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Nope, but maybe then too--he's picked a few fights with him. Here's one:
Yo just when I thought someone like Thomas couldn't be a bigger PoS then he already is, I find out he pick fights with the voice of fucking Mario??! How do you do that and still have a career making video game stuff on YT???
Also, I'm super relieved to find out Charles Martinet is not a secret Orange Mussolini supporter.
GameXplain are liberals and aren't hiding it on their personal twitter. Josh Thomas being and asshole is a shame considering him and Rogersbase are probably the best guests for GameXplain discussions.
Yeh, he's actually a pos. Really glad he made it known (I'm talking way back when GG style, too, guy's been at it a while now) so I can avoid his content in future.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Josh actually blocked Andre because he disagreed with him
https://twitter.com/AndreSegers/status/823664880381083648
McMoneyman
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I'm not super surprised unfortunately. This was the same guy who was making rape "jokes" a few years ago, and all of the suddenly stopped because "people were getting upset for some reason".
excelsiorlef
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This is the best tack down of the it's just a joke defense and what do you know it's done through comedy
ArchedThunder
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Depressing...
SaniOYOYOY
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I loled. Im fucking 23 I and peeps from my uni watched him
do you have the statistic that said majority of his audience is kids? kids of what age?even if they are kids alright i bet they are mature enough to distinguish between accident joke and real hate speech
You should any way. Most of these guys curse a lot and play games that aren't for kids.
Neoriceisgood
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Go into the gaf community section and check the last one or two pages of the Jontron thread and judge for yourself.
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