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[cw_sasuke]

Why does everyone expect this game to be an instant hit? Some of the design decisions seem very questionable. It is not just hiding parts of the game behind DLC when it should have been about the full experience.

It looks great, it plays great (e3 coverage) and its a mainline Zelda. Yeah why would anyone expect the game to turn out good.

Also...
"hiding parts of the game behind dlc"....hiding ? really. They havent even started developing the extra content yet for all we know.

Criticism is fine and all but acting as if the game will be a 4h experience without the optional DLC that will be release this year is just crazy talk.

 

[jorgejjvr]

What's the additional map feature?

 

[eltercero]

Just take a look at the map, if it is true what they say about the map being huge than it is fair to assume that most of it will be barren and consists of dynamically generated content. So there goes the detailed world design we have come to expect.

That's exactly the opposite of what the recent previews actually say about the game.

 

[Anteo]

So if content can't be bought separately, why even do the DLC packs at all? Why not just hold off on the announcement until E3 or something and then announce everything for the Holidays as one big DLC pack at the same time?

They want your money now.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Most like...
People that are not going to buy the game: This is insane, oh God. Expensive.
People that already have the game preordered: Excellent, Day 1. More Zelda, great. Nintendo DLC are awesome, look at MK8 DLC, totally worth it.

I've preordered the game, paid it off in full already. I'm firmly in group 1 there

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

Cave of trials locked behind really sucks even though this game already has a lot of content.
And I hope hero mode will be included in the game.
Playable characters would be cool though.

 

[wrowa]

Most like...
People that are not going to buy the game: This is insane, oh God. Expensive.
People that already have the game preordered: Excellent, Day 1. More Zelda, great. Nintendo DLC are awesome, look at MK8 DLC, totally worth it.

Bullshit. I have the game pre-ordered, I bought a bunch of Nintendo DLC in the past (including season passes for MK8 and HW), but this one looks like a stinker for the most part. Only thing that's interesting to me is the additional dungeon, everything else sounds like useless filler. And a single dungeon for 20€, when a company like CD Projekt offers literally half a new game for 25€ is just not very convincing.

 

[Okami Haundo]

The DLC pass for Mario Kart 8 was the one "season pass" that I didn't regret buying. Given that, and how big Zelda seems to be, I have no issue with buying this. As others have noted, the game seems pretty challenging to begin with so I'm interested to see what "hard mode" will be.

They've also been banging the drums about how ambitious and hard to make this game was, so I don't blame them for charging for the extras here. I know that not everyone will be happy with this decision, but it definitely looks great to me.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Seriously. I'm fine with it after Mario Kart 8. If you're concerned with the price, consider not getting a special edition or an amiibo or something. If you're still concerned, don't buy the DLC.

I just hope the winter DLC is actually pretty extensive, Elder Scrolls-style.

 

[LiK]

NEW ORIGINAL STORY??????

Hows that possible with DLC?

hm? other companies have been doing it for years.

 

[balgajo]

It's a Zelda DLC and after being surprised by the good mk8 one I'm going to buy it. But fuck them for putting hard mode behind a paywall. I feel for people who won't buy.

 

[Oddish1]

They've announced it now to try stop people from trading in the game once they've completed it by end of march/april so to try and limit the amount of copies available second hand so that people are driven towards new copies.

I guess that makes sense and isn't unreasonable.

But on the other hand, not offering the content separately is completely unreasonable.

 

[KHlover]

I can't breathe. $20 for stuff that should already be in the game? Hard mode? This company

1A shitpost. How should stuff that doesn't exist yet "already be part of the game"?

 

[CrayToes]

More Zelda content? Sounds good to me. MK8 had a fucking great season pass so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[TalentAlwaysWins]

In any case, hopefully it will be good but I certainly hope that reviewers will be fair and not biased.

Your hopes will be just that. Zelda reviews are usually biased and based on nostalgia in my opinion. The DS games somehow got 90's and Skyward Sword got a 93... I mean it's opinions but... yeah you get my drift.

 

[shanafan]

People who are saying that ignore. People who are having actual conversation are arguing about the difficulty update being behind a paywall, and the fact you can't buy the story dlc separate along with amiibo dlc not being in season pass as well if there is some that's significant.

It's a "new" hard mode, tho.

 

[……forgetit]

I don't understand the hate. It releases well after the game does. The day one stuff is just minor and cosmetic stuff. Do people just hate DLC as a concept that much?

 

[Griss]

It still blows my mind that some people think a game having DLC means the initial release is incomplete.

It is, though. By definition it is not complete.

When I talk to people about Mass effect 3 eventually someone will say 'at least javik was good and my initial response was 'wait, who?'

I never experienced the same things as them because the game I was playing was an incomplete experience due to lacking the dlc. It did not have all of the content. Incomplete.

 

[J@hranimo]

Lol, while playing the Wii U one they further remind you of the Switch with an in-game Switch shirt.

Sounds good though. I'm fully expecting the new story to be all new content. NEW hard mode sounds like serious changes to the main game. Looking forward to hearing more about this.

 

[UncleSporky]

What? 100 holes in a golf game is fucking pathetic and you know it.

Especially when 54 of those holes were 9 hole gimmick mini courses and the good courses were all left for dlc, which like a fucking sucker I bought because I was so disappointed in the base game. With the dlc the game becomes what I expected it to be and is excellent.

Whatever dude, the base game was awesome and the DLC only made it better. As it did in pretty much every other case of Nintendo DLC except maybe NSMB2. No reason not to think it won't be the same case with Zelda, good quality content for a reasonable price.

 

[what-ok]

Was there mention of what the Guardian Amiibo unlocks? Maybe Link can pilot one or summon it to aid in his adventure? Same with the Boko?

 

[Vidiot]

It's not like the game is going to be light on content to begin with. I'm sure this is stuff we just wouldn't have got at all if not for it being DLC. I don't think it's a case of Nintendo holding back content for the most part. Well depending on how hard mode turns out maybe that.

DLC pack 2 seems so much better than 1.

 

[YuriLowell]

So every game that has optional DLC is incomplete now ?

When its story DLC with an entirely new dungeon, yeah its incomplete.

 

[random25]

This thread is some hilarious shit.

I guess Nintendo shouldn't have announced anything DLC in their games until the fans start begging for more lol.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Don't mind this. Content sounds about right for the price. Only thing I can say is lackluster is the Nintendo shirt. Of all the things you could make as DLC costumes, that's the one you use to entice people to pay now?

Why not a hurdle watriors link scarf or something?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Kotaku: Down in comments

I just read this as the bonus content and content for Pack 1 are junk and they know people wouldn't pay for them separately once they know exactly what they include. The real meat will be Pack 2.

 

[LambdaTeos]

I can't breathe. $20 for stuff that should already be in the game? Hard mode? This company

i don't think you know how this works, i don't think you have any idea of how all this thing works, yet you keep talking, how's that possible!?

 

[Papacheeks]

By that argument, MKX DLC isn't as fairly priced as SFV or GGXrd DLC compared to what you get in the base roster. The DLC characters are made with a smaller team on a completely separate budget, so comparing the value to what you get in the base roster is a bit unfair.

Difference is if you are a fighting fan you will have fight money and can purchase characters by just doing some of the modes and playing well. No need to pay actual money to unlock them.

I played survival, and the original arcade type mode and was able to buy guile, and Alex. Then they had story mode added and i was able to get some more, along with win a few matches and was able to pick up barlog.

After that I purchased the pass for cheap on steam and got the rest of the characters.

 

[Mr Touchdown]

It still blows my mind that some people think a game having DLC means the initial release is incomplete.

Yup

 

[DNAbro]

When its story DLC with an entirely new dungeon, yeah its incomplete.

Well you can wait almost a year for the "complete game" then.

 

[Scrawnton]

It is, though. By definition it is not complete.

When I talk to people about Mass effect 3 eventually someone will say 'st least javik was food's and my initial response was 'wait, who?'

I never experienced the same things as them because the game I was playing was an incomplete experience due to lacking the dlc. It did not have all of the content. Incomplete.

Every game is incomplete and gets things cut because it doesn't fit. It sounds like this dungeon didn't fit in the world / story so they cut the content and decided to sell it later.

I don't see an issue with this particular season pass, especially considering the content isn't releasing for well over six months. It's not like most AAA games where the season pass content hits a week after release.

 

[Morts]

People who are saying that ignore. People who are having actual conversation are arguing about the difficulty update being behind a paywall, and the fact you can't buy the story dlc separate along with amiibo dlc not being in season pass as well if there is some that's significant.

That's fair. The Hard Mode and "new map feature" is a bit weird. DLC pack 2 though sounds great. Not being able to buy it separately is a valid complaint, I'm just exhausted with the idea that any DLC at all is automatically bad.

 

[NotLiquid]

I know this argument will go in circles as it always does but if they can sell 50 characters for 60 dollars then 6+ for just one is too much imo. To get the full roster you had to spend a minimum extra 35 bucks for 7 extra characters vs the 50 you got for your base purchase. The value is way off there. I hate that. Especially as I think the roster is bloated in the first place.

This is kind of a piss poor excuse. DLC is made with the inherent knowledge that it's going to sell way less than the base game, be way less marketable and most likely have way less returns. Saying that "you get 50 characters for $60 so why is a new character $6 a pop" is a false equivalence. By that logic every new character should ideally cost not even a full dollar because if you're trying to tally how the game's content is encompassed by the $60 tag, there's more to the base game than just characters.

 

[Painraze]

It is, though. By definition it is not complete.

When I talk to people about Mass effect 3 eventually someone will say 'at least javik was good and my initial response was 'wait, who?'

I never experienced the same things as them because the game I was playing was an incomplete experience due to lacking the dlc. It did not have all of the content. Incomplete.

Why are you comparing ME3 DLC to Zelda?

The vanilla Witcher 3 was a complete game and it had DLC.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Like most said the hard mode leaves a bad taste, I did it with TP, guess I have to pay extra again. I just feel a hard mode has been part of games since the start.

The rest is fine and I am always in for more zelda.

 

[Waji]

By that argument, MKX DLC isn't as fairly priced as SFV or GGXrd DLC compared to what you get in the base roster. The DLC characters are made with a smaller team on a completely separate budget, so comparing the value to what you get in the base roster is a bit unfair.

Of course, but then there's no fair comparison and everyone should be allowed to judge if a DLC is good or not.

For example I often think that some games are really cheap for what they are, but lots of people would say they are so expensive. On the other hand, DLC seem extremely expensive to me since I could get a full big game for the price of 3 little DLC.
I don't see why it's not fair ?

If I can get Mario Odyssey instead of buying DLC for Zelda and one or 2 other games, then the result is obvious.

 

[Kinsei]

It still blows my mind that some people think a game having DLC means the initial release is incomplete.

When you're selling hard mode separately then yeah, it's incomplete.

 

[ramparter]

When its story DLC with an entirely new dungeon, yeah its incomplete.

So if I go and add a dungeon in Ocarina of Time that makes the current game incomplete?

 

[Rizzi]

Not content with milking the people buying the console on accessories, Nintendo decides to also milk people who buy their only first party title worth buying for the thing at launch. Don't worry, I'm sure this isn't going to be a trend at all.

 

[LordOcidax]

Bullshit. I have the game pre-ordered, I bought a bunch of Nintendo DLC in the past (including season passes for MK8 and HW), but this one looks like a stinker for the most part. Only thing that's interesting to me is the additional dungeon, everything else sounds like useless filler. And a single dungeon for 20€, when a company like CD Projekt offers literally half a new game for 25€ is just not very convincing.

Did you know how big is the additional content? Did you have any info or trailer of the new Story?

 

[fernoca]

It is, though. By definition it is not complete.

When I talk to people about Mass effect 3 eventually someone will say 'at least javik was good and my initial response was 'wait, who?'

I never experienced the same things as them because the game I was playing was an incomplete experience due to lacking the dlc. It did not have all of the content. Incomplete.

Javik was day one DLC though. Not the same situation. This are all extras, even the difficulty mode is an additional one on top of the hard one already in the game.

 

[friskykillface]

Kinda figured they were going to do this tbh
Why not have Zeldas story be the focus of the dlc

From the trailers it seems like a lot of shit was happening while link was asleep so let's see what happened

Do it Nintendo

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

So it has a similar price to the witcher 3 season pass but with the amount of content of an EA DLC, with things that should be in the game already like hard mode?

Yeah no thanks Nintendo, but no thanks.

Im sad they are learning from the worst intead of the best. I prefered them when they did their own thing even if they didnt modernise themselves.

 

[KingSnake]

The comparison with the MK8 season pass is moot. The DLCs packs for MK8 were equal in content and could be bought separately.

This is selling nice things and poor things in one pricey package.

 

[runnin_blue]

If the video gaming industry was a museum, DLC for a mainline Zelda game would be like walking into the Smithsonian, taking Picasso's "Mona Lisa" and slapping a few generic stickers on it.

It is a total greed-driven disgrace and further proof that games cannot be considered pure art just yet.

Que?

 

[Orniletter]

So if content can't be bought separately, why even do the DLC packs at all? Why not just hold off on the announcement until E3 or something and then announce everything for the Holidays as one big DLC pack at the same time?

Day 1 is when consumers are more willing to buy season passes, they didn't have their fill of Zelda yet and everyone is still hyped and willing to put their money down.

When someone bought a season pass, they are more likely to hold onto the till the packs are out (instead of trading them in). Look at Final Fantasy XV as the prime example of a publisher doing all sorts of things to keep people from trading it in.

For the publisher, it's a winwin situation.

 

[casey_contra]

I have the game and a witch pre-ordered and I think this season pass is bullshit. Not only are they locking away stuff that should be in the game from the start (hard mode), they're also forcing you to buy shit you don't want (DLC pack 1) just to milk more money out of you if you want the new dungeon and story.

People jumping to conclusions in this thread:

It says new hard mode.Very possible it is the only hard mode but let's find out more.

Having to buy everything does suck, but I think it's a little silly tosay "stuff that should be in the game from the start."

They charge for it: "why is Nintendo making me buy stuff that should be included"
If they didn't charge for it: "why is Nintendo releasing an unfinished game!!"
If they delayed it to put this stuff in from the beginning: "they delayed it! Nintendoomed"

Can't win But I do agree they should be separate purchases.

 

[noshten]

I'm not crazy about Nintendo locking hard mode behind DLC, but an extra dungeon seems like a fair deal--particularly if it's the only economical way for Nintendo to supplement the game's dungeon count.

Locking hardmode behind an expansion pass is terribad...

 

[TalentAlwaysWins]

1A shitpost. How should stuff that doesn't exist yet "already be part of the game"?

Immediately upon pre-purchase or purchase of the Expansion Pass, three new treasure chests will appear in the game’s Great Plateau area. One of these treasure chests will contain a shirt with a Nintendo Switch logo that Link can wear during his adventure,

Along with hard mode ... how is this not in the launch copies?

 

[Papacheeks]

Bullshit. I have the game pre-ordered, I bought a bunch of Nintendo DLC in the past (including season passes for MK8 and HW), but this one looks like a stinker for the most part. Only thing that's interesting to me is the additional dungeon, everything else sounds like useless filler. And a single dungeon for 20€, when a company like CD Projekt offers literally half a new game for 25€ is just not very convincing.

^

This right here. If the DLC for Zelda is near Witcher 3 expansion content then it is totally worth it. But if it's a single dungeon that last's you 4 hours then Nintendo needs to do better straight up.