The problem is you already assume what's the content without even knowing the concrete details, especially the 2nd DLC. If you find it not worth buying, then you have a freedom not to buy.
Nintendo announces Zelda: Breath of the Wild season pass, $20, contents detailed
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The problem is you already assume what's the content without even knowing the concrete details, especially the 2nd DLC. If you find it not worth buying, then you have a freedom not to buy.
How is it disgusting? You don't even know the full extent of what they're giving you.
LordOcidax
Member
Did already know how big is this? link to the trailer please....
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Have they ever released a complete edition for a generation? I can only think of them waiting till a successor to do them
Majukun
Member
the main difference is that Ubisoft doesn't develops additional content..they just strip a part of the game that's already in the disc,hiding it behind a code, and try to sell it to you for additional money,that's greedy dlc
making additional content AFTER the game is complete is another whole affair, and from my point of view, an ok practice.
JB2448
Member
See, that's a fair bit of criticism, though! Specific and everything! It's absolutely ridiculous that they lack the confidence in each DLC pack to have them sold separately from the get-go, and shows a tacit admission that the first DLC pack is a disproportionate value proposition when compared to the second.
Saying that it's the worst company in the world for offering additional content that in no way impacts the completeness of the base game, though? That's either trolling or insane emotional volatility.
What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do with my quote.
I am saying that we don't even have basic information with regards to how their digital store will work on the switch.
Regardless of the value of this dlc. They are telling you they have a product but none of the other pertinent information surrounding the procurement of that product exists. Its stupid. I am tlakinng specifically of the shit show that the roll out of the switch has slowly become, and I even have one on preorder.
I am not arguing about the validity of this dlc, because, like a smart person I am going to wait and see what it is. Hopefully it is more along the line of Mario Kart or Hyruke Warriors dlc in that it adds a lot of value.
I woukd just like to know how I can even buy the thing first.
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Hard mode mostly and the chests that already have assets in the base game (when you pre order)
Why should we give them a free pass? Just reading it as its presented doesn't sound good. The second pack sounds OK. The first sounds like utter crap. Features and hard mode shouldn't be behind a pay wall, imo. Trial mode would have been OK but not for that price. Defending this without knowing what it is is the thing that is wrong.
Edit: I should be fair and say that this probably why it's in the lower price range. Still doesn't present well.
Oh, I'm not agreeing with the worst company in the world thing. Just pointing out that other publishers don't handle DLC for their games like Nintendo is doing for BotW.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Wait... so you are ok with Nintendo asking $20 for promise of good content without proof, but you are not with the poster questioning the value because he does not offer tangible proof?
Really? It seems that you should hold the person asking for more money to a higher standard.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
My only worry about this, are the rumours about BotW not having many dungeons and now they announce DLC that will be adding more, did they hold stuff back to sell it later ?
Seems like Nintendo are really out to make money this time, with their recent high pricing and now a Zelda season pass.
Still hyped for the game but this is a different side to Nintendo than we normally see, hopefully it pays off for them.
Seems like Nintendo are really out to make money this time, with their recent high pricing and now a Zelda season pass.
Still hyped for the game but this is a different side to Nintendo than we normally see, hopefully it pays off for them.
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
So no other dev can offer DLC unless it tops what Witcher 3 offered ? Ok.
"a story bit"
You don't know how big or small the story will be. It could be nothing, it could be a lot. You just don't know. Nintendo has said nothing so being cautious is the right way to go. But just assuming it won't be worth your money is based on nothing.
"some devs"
You mean CDPR. The only devs that do this and who get rightfully praised for this. I wish that was industry standard but unfortunately, it isn't. Let's wait to see how much Nintendo will add before we call this Season Pass bad.
brandonh83
Banned
You could replace Zelda with about any other example when comparing to Witcher.
You're just trying to start FITES.
LambdaTeos
Member
It's cool, i mean, i get it, it's normal to be worked out about something like this, but i think it's better to just chill and stop getting all angry and rant about everything when we barely know anything about the damn thing, the game isn't out yet, but people love to imagine their own scenarios and pretend that those scenarios are real.
This kind of reactions will always happen with dlc, not only with nintendo, and it's ok, but i feel sometimes people forget that they actually have no idea what are they talking about, since well.. no further information has been released
No AFAIK, mario kart 8 would count as a complete edition... but they might consider more dlc in the future, and also, it's on a different system so, yeah
People really wanna act like Witcher 3 DLC/Season Pass wasn't some miraculous DLC and pricing that we frankly didn't deserve. I would love it if more devs did similar shit, but I certainly don't expect it.
At the same time though, this is the first DLC for a mainline Zelda entry, so I don't necessarily expect it to be underwhelming, albeit not on the same quality as Witcher 3.
At the same time though, this is the first DLC for a mainline Zelda entry, so I don't necessarily expect it to be underwhelming, albeit not on the same quality as Witcher 3.
R_thanatos
Member
And people complained.
That why some companies actually describe the content of their season pass more now.
Because people want to know what they are paying for.
I'm complaining because i want to know the details of what they're asking me to pay for.
I mean come on. The only content i'm 100% certain is that stupid nintendo switch t-shit on a chest.
That's not ok
You want me to pay , tell me what's inside. Give me numbers , an estimation , a summary , an appetizer , anything.
Right now , you can't tell me to be ok with this , when the information available is similar to the bullshit we had WITH OTHER COMPANIES in the past.
Again , for me , this is not ok
Frostman
Member
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
Honestly although I don't agree with how you layed out the BotW expansion pass, this was also the first comparison to come to my mind.
W3 was outstanding value, and that continued with its Exapansion pass. I know I got more than 40 hours out of it.
Musician655321
Banned
Hopefully we get the option to switch up genders. I wanna strap a vagina to my Link like a Deku leaf.
frankie_baby
Member
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
We dont know how big the new dungeon and story is and you are ignoring the cave of trials
kuroneko0509
Member
not sure how you read my post as "giving them a free pass" or "defending their decision". all I just trying to say is instead of jumping to conclusions, better wait and see. it's not like you'll be forced to get it day 1 and miss it forever.
also regarding hard mode, idk.. how much Zelda games have it on base game & not remake or re-release on different console?
casey_contra
Member
People have waited for this game for ~3 years, and Nintendo is essentially giving new content throughout this year, and people are...upset? As with all DLC, if you like the game and you want additional content, you can purchase the DLC. If you do not like the game, once you have completed it, you are under no pressure to purchase additional content. I fundamentally cannot understand anyone being upset at this announcement.
Baleoce
Member
This is my main point of contention.
Okami Haundo
Member
Well... going by "gamer logic", EA is somehow more maniacal than banks that caused the housing crisis in the States a few years back. So yeah... That's the kind of logic we're dealing with here. God help the world.
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
Good of you to compare the zelda season's pass without complete information to the best value season's pass ever created.
I just hope the next time another company announces a season's pass gaf will not be hypocrites and go and get as outraged as this time
I don't think they have. That also prevents their games from losing value. But again, it's just a pretty big assumption that people won't just sell their copies and wait for Pack 2. Although Zelda games don't lose value in general that much. We'll see.
JB2448
Member
And you're right. I can't think of any other publisher that hasn't allowed for DLC to be offered piecemeal alongside a season or expansion pass bundle. I think it's absolutely ridiculous, and people should vote with both their voices and their wallets concerning this practice especially. If it sells, it sets a sort of dangerous Pandora's box-like precedent that other publishers, especially the big three Western pubs, will almost certainly follow.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I hope there's a Mercedes Benz in one of the chests.
I'm a little surprised at the price complaints. Aren't season passes for other games normally $50?
I'm a little surprised at the price complaints. Aren't season passes for other games normally $50?
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
I don't think you thought this through.
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
Look your argument is fine, but you gonna hold every game to come out withh dlc from now on against withcer 3? If so please start an OT and update it. Or judge each dlc based on its own merits and what it adds to the game.
For a lot of folks they couldn't even get far enough in to the witcher to make dlc worth their time. So where's the value there?
Yeah I get it, you want there to be higher standards and thats good, but if your gonna walk this path own it and do it for every season pass announced.
LordOcidax
Member
People that already know the length of the Story and dungeon DLC....
SpiceMelange
Member
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
I don't think anyone would argue that the Zelda DLC offers more content for the same amount of money than the Witcher DLC. That doesn't make one better than the other for an individual, as each person have their own subjective tastes and view of what's worth what. Not sure what your point is.
Nope. They can release whatever content they like, but a game like Zelda deserves an expansion pass as The Witcher III.
DLC and paying for online are two times I misinterpreted Nintendo as being focused on a different way to run a video game company. In reality they are just slow to react to the rest of the console industry.
Must be fun in that world where Nintendo exists in a vacuum.
You work for Brazzers? Anyway, I smiled.
Thread still moving to fast. Sorry.
Anyway
I took that as we shouldn't complain. I can agree that the end of the world scenario is ridiculous but it's healthier to assume it's bad and demand more information until we sit back. Can't believe I'm saying this but EA is actually pretty good in this scenario and actually saying what the season pass will entail. Nintendo shouldn't have said Jack until they where ready to fill in the blanks.
I take historical background to give Nintendo a benefit of the doubt here. Unless you can point to me a time when they scam people in their AAA game with overpriced DLC that diminishes the base content without it.
It's not like I'm outright shelling out money this instant anyway. It's always wise to get more info than just jumping to conclusion because it's the most popular thing to do on the internet.
BassForever
Member
How many people crying now will end up buying this pack in 6-9 months? 80%?
$25 - The Witcher 3 Season Pass, made by developers who have only made 3 AAA games in their short history.
Contains:
-Hearts of Stone, a story expansion that will take around 10 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 8 main missions, 8 side missions and 9 treasure hunts
-Blood and Wine, a story expansion set in a brand new huge map which will take around 25 hours to complete and has multiple endings, with 16 main quests, 40 side quests, 5 witcher contracts and 20 treasure hunts
In total: around 35-40 hours of game time
$20 - Breath of the Wild Expansion Pass, made by veteran developers who have been making games for more than 25 years
Contains:
- 3 new treasure chests (holy shit!!!)
- a new difficulty mode, a new story, and a new dungeon
- additional challenges
Alright, gaf, you meet a random person on the street and he asks you to recommend him an expansion pass that will be a good value for his buck. Which one do you recommned: the Zelda one or the Witcher one? You can sense the guy loves both series.
I am sorry, even if TW3 dlc has a better value, how do you know if BotW is a bad value if they probably didn't start making the DLC yet?
Considering that the DLC was just announced now, i would bet they just decided to make the DLC and that is just a basic summary of the contents.
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