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[R_thanatos]

some people complain here like they already know 100% what's actually the "new" hard mode, how long is the "new" dungeon, or how incomplete the game without the story dlc. but I guess that's normal
look, it's fine to be skeptical about the contents (even I don't really find stuff in pack 1 quite worthwhile), but why not just wait until game release then they'll definitely reveal the contents.

Sorry , i'll just buy the legend of zelda breath of the wild master sword edition*

*includes all dlc

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So about the "we don't know" argument .....

How about nintendo tell us the details before asking for our money ?

A surprising and novel concept i know ...

 

[koss424]

That may be, but *this* particular DLC package sounds like terrible value. We shall see.

We didn't even know about the DLC six hours ago and we have no detailed content. I'll reserve judgment.

 

[casey_contra]

Reposting my joke because I think I'm hilarious:

People in this thread jumping to conclusions:

 

[Okami Haundo]

It's interesting to see that the biggest point of contention is DLC pack one. While "hard mdoe" and "cave of trials" sound like things that were included in Zelda games before, I'm curious to see what they'll be here.

Also: Why the fuck does every "discussion" on this forum turn into an argument revolving around semantics? Is it really that hard to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into trying to prove that one person is "right"?

 

[Dark Cloud]

Who knows what kind of hard mode this is?? What's to say it's a different hard mode and a standard hard mode already comes with the game?

Calm down and wait for details before spouting it's expensive.

 

[Listonosh]

I don't understand the hate. It releases well after the game does. The day one stuff is just minor and cosmetic stuff. Do people just hate DLC as a concept that much?

I totally understand it. The internet world groans whenever Ubisoft or any other company announces a Season Pass.

I personally don't have a problem with it. I don't get outraged at very many things, but I can definitely understand those who are.

 

[hatchx]

A hard mode? The game seems pretty hard as it is.

Anyways, takemymoney.gif

 

[KingSnake]

Your entire post history is near enough going into Nintendo threads and making negative comments.

You'll be getting one of the biggest and best games of the generation for the standard price.

They're offering optional extras for an extra fee like every other dev.

My entire post history? Wow! Did you have time to check all of it? I guess not, because then you would have noticed how dumb it is to bring my post history into discussion. Like there isn't a word to describe how dumb is this approach.

And this reaction just because I said that this season pass is not like MK8 season pass? Man.

 

[kuroneko0509]

no

Nintendo is releasing this info now and is trying to capitalize on Zelda excitement and get people to buy it without going into any details. People have every right to voice their discontent with how this is being done.

voicing their discontent is fine, but what i'm saying is talking like you already 100% know what sort of stuff are in those dlc content points.

 

[MisterBrimstone]

It's funny how everybody is looking at what the DLC includes, how big the dungeons would be, the original new story when nobody knows even if the base game is any good.

Guys, it's DLC. Wait for the game and check if it's worth it.

 

[Oddish1]

It's weird Nintendo is getting such a pass on DLC because of Mario Kart 8 when they've done pretty terrible DLC practices in the past like Fire Emblem.

 

[jediyoshi]

hard mode behind season pass? fam no

 

[TalentAlwaysWins]

Pack 1 seems super lame but I guess they want your money ASAP (obviously) and they want to give you something until the Holidays when Pack 2 arrives.

I'd bet Pack 2 will be substantial and that Nintendo will position it next to Odyssey as the "game" to get for Christmas.

I see. I wish it was separate though. hard mode should be in a free patch imo

 

[thepenguin55]

You know what's great about dlc? You can still play the game and enjoy it without any dlc! It's the bee's knees guys!

 

[LambdaTeos]

Okay. So that just means they'll have to wait for the Switch successor to play Breath of the Wild. They're putting out Mario Kart 8 Deluxe because it was the most popular game on one of Nintendo's least popular consoles. In a world where WiiU was a mega popular console Mario Kart 8 Deluxe doesn't exist (at least not until multiple consoles later).

Chill, what i meant is that so far i haven't seen any major game released by nintendo as GOTY, and one of the exceptions is Mario kart 8 but this is on a different system.

Not even Hyrule Warriors, Smash, or Splatoon have a GOTY.

So in the end, some people will never play it...or actually were never planning on buying it and just love to complain

no

Nintendo is releasing this info now and is trying to capitalize on Zelda excitement and get people to buy it without going into any details. People have every right to voice their discontent with how this is being done.

Part of voicing their discontent should be actually knowing what are they talking about

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Price is disgusting. Nintendo are becoming one of the worst companies in the world. Last 15 years have been tough.

 

[Shiggy]

Sorry , i'll just buy the legend of zelda breath of the wild master sword edition*

*includes all dlc

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So about the "we don't know" argument .....

How about nintendo tell us the details before asking for our money ?

A surprising and novel concept i know ...

That's against the Switch marketing concept, where people shouldn't know anything about the product they are buying.


And @those saying Nintendo's DLC is great:
NSMB2, FE: Fates Map Packs, FE: Awakening DLC were definitely not great value

 

[Majukun]

as long as that's content developed AFTER the main game went gold, and as long as the main game has enough content,i'm ok with dlc
too bad i'm not gonna be able to play them anyway since my wii u has no free storage

 

[UncleSporky]

You can't just buy the second DLC. You have to buy the whole season pass to get anything.

I'm not sure about that. I know there is a quote that says they can't be bought individually, but look at the description of the first DLC:

"Expansion pass bonus." Why would it be a bonus if you had to buy it anyway? Why not just call it DLC 1? It sounds minor enough that it's something other games would consider a little bonus for buying an entire pass instead of just part of the DLC.

no

Nintendo is releasing this info now and is trying to capitalize on Zelda excitement and get people to buy it without going into any details. People have every right to voice their discontent with how this is being done.

If they were trying to make maximum money on this, wouldn't they release this info after the game comes out, so they would sell more copies? If they brought it up later then there'd apparently be tons of people like those in this thread, mortified that they bought an incomplete game, cheated out of a full experience, already paid money for something that wasn't done.

The fact that they announced it now is financial suicide, right? Because this DLC announcement appears to be changing so many minds here and losing sales for them, since they're being open and honest about their plans?

 

[Vidiot]

I want a DLC hat for Link that says make Hyrule great again.

 

[MrFortyFive]

I'm not liking the sound of the first pack. It sounds like things that should have been in the game to begin with. I guess I'll wait for more details to make my final call. If Nintendo ever bundles it all into some sort of GOTY edition or "Switch Selects" version, I'll probably just buy that.

 

[R_thanatos]

According to the logic of the originally quoted post, that makes The Witcher 3 even less complete sans DLC.

It's a logic that can work , considering HOW MUCH witcher 3 was worked on after the release date.
Witcher 3 1.00 and the current version without the expansion are already different beasts entirely ( with or without the dlc or expansions )

 

[HawthorneKitty]

You know what's great about dlc? You can still play the game and enjoy it without any dlc! It's the bee's knees guys!

It's an incomplete game then tho, how can I game knowing I'm gonna be having an inferior experience compared to other people?

 

[Jim_Cacher]

I don't mind paying extra money for extra content. I am not a kid anymore, $20 is not much for more Zelda content.

Frankly, why so many people complain about the NEW hard mode? It's not like many people will play the game twice / go straight to Hero Mode at the beginning when playing a Zelda game. The game is also seemed to be hard enough even in normal mode.

 

[STGHMAAV]

Don't know if anyone has said this before, but in past Zelda games, it's called "Hero mode" not "Hard mode". Could "Hard Mode" be a Breath of the Wild Master Quest, with different dungeons and shrines?

 

[KingSnake]

OTOH, the nice things are in the last package, so everyone can just wait until Holiday 2017 to see if the DLC is worth it as a whole.

If the story expansion for example means playing as Zelda after Hyrule has been freed, I'd say it would make sense to at least put that story as DLC.

This is exactly what I said I will do in a post before this one, wait to see the content of the 2nd pack.

But the comparison to MK8 still is quite irrelevant.

 

[tebunker]

also: before announcing this, they should inform the users, how the store will work. What about the Account System / purchases tied to console / etc. (yes, there is the leak, but we need official informations regarding this)

This is what people should be talking about. Nintendo literally said we want to sell you this but we're not ready to tell you how, or where, or what account you'll use or what you can do with thise digital rights.

This is a huge cart before the horse.

 

[gnexus]

Master Edition ain't so master now without DLC

 

[JB2448]

Price is disgusting. Nintendo are becoming one of the worst companies in the world. Last 15 years have been tough.

For doing what every other major publisher has done in the past? Is the gaming industry the worst industry in the world, then?

What is going on with this thread?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Price is disgusting. Nintendo are becoming one of the worst companies in the world. Last 15 years have been tough.

First couple words of your post your post and the fact that this is a Switch thread...nothing against Junior members - but its getting too obvious lately lol.

 

[GhostTrick]

Most like...
People that are not going to buy the game: This is insane, oh God. Expensive.
People that already have the game preordered: Excellent, Day 1. More Zelda, great. Nintendo DLC are awesome, look at MK8 DLC, totally worth it.

I have the game on preorder. I'm a HUGE Zelda fan to the point I even buy the Zelda editions if their console. But it's called having standard. A difficulty behind a paywall is NOT okay. 20 bucks for a dungeon and a story bit is NOT okay when for the same price, some devs brings a NEW region and 20 to 40 hours of content (Blood and Wine).

 

[Dark Cloud]

This is what people should be talking about. Nintendo literally said we want to sell you this but we're not ready to tell you how, or where, or what account you'll use or what you can do with thise digital rights.

This is a huge cart before the horse.

Ugh you're not forced to buy it. You can wait until the holidays to get it........

 

[Francokid1]

The new story in pack 2 could be interesting. Especially if we get a new playable character. Pack 1 could be alright if the "New Hard Mode" isn't just artificial difficulty like x2 damage.

Waiting for more details.

 

[rhandino]

As someone who has been greatly satisfied with the DLC offerings of Mario Kart 8, Fire Emblem: Fates, Smash for Wii and HYRULE WARRIORS... I am here for this.

 

[Pila]

Me gusta, I guess I'll buy it, eventually. New story and dungeon sound good.

LOL @ at the shirt with some Switch logo, CMON ( ._.) what the fuck.

 

[OCD Guy]

It's weird Nintendo is getting such a pass on DLC because of Mario Kart 8 when they've done pretty terrible DLC practices in the past like Fire Emblem.

And the other thing which is often overlooked is locking content behind Amiibos.

Nintendo make great games, I love them, and I'm looking forward to the 3rd when I get my hands on it, but I hate how they seem to really be going all the way in with practices I don't like on other consoles. Things like paid online, and now what will likely be a strong push on dlc and micro transactions, and locked content behind amiibos.

Honestly I can see Nintendo going really hard with dlc and microtransactions, and not in a good way.

I hate certain things about the gaming industry anyway, and I was always glad Nintendo were doing their own thing and avoiding certain practices, but that line is blurring now....All we need is some EA style "shortcuts" perhaps $5/£5 to unlock 3 stars on every cup in Mario kart 8 deluxe lol.

 

[marc^o^]

I called it! This world is so vast they can use it for years. Now full HD Rumble support would be great, do it Nintendo.

 

[sanstesy]

nintendo switch shirt only run confirmed

 

[Hawk269]

By offering those 3 chests if you buy the pass up front will get them a lot of money. It is kind of odd that they are doing that, but I think they know many will jump on it to get the 3 chests and whatever content is in the 2 & 3rd chest,

 

[runnin_blue]

Sorry , i'll just buy the legend of zelda breath of the wild master sword edition*

*includes all dlc

------------------------------
So about the "we don't know" argument .....

How about nintendo tell us the details before asking for our money ?

A surprising and novel concept i know ...

Season passes are advertised and sold in advance with little to no informative details about the content all the time. Nintendo didn't invent it.

 

[oti]

I see. I wish it was separate though. hard mode should be in a free patch imo

It's an interesting strategy for sure. This isn't a multiplayer game so Nintendo seems confident enough that people will play this game a veeeeeeeeeeeeeery long time in singleplayer so they won't sell the game early. Maybe they'll release a "Complete Edition" this Christmas for 80€.

 

[Baleoce]

You know what's great about dlc? You can still play the game and enjoy it without any dlc! It's the bee's knees guys!

Yeah it's amazing! And if I beat it and decide that I want to try it on a harder difficulty I can still just pl...

 

[Painraze]

I have the game on preorder. I'm a HUGE Zelda fan to the point I even buy the Zelda editions if their console. But it's called having standard. A difficulty behind a paywall is NOT okay. 20 bucks for a dungeon and a story bit is NOT okay when for the same price, some devs brings a NEW region and 20 to 40 hours of content (Blood and Wine).

We have no idea how big the "story bit" will be and the Witcher 3 expansion pass is $25, not $20.

 

[Kinsei]

For doing what every other major publisher has done in the past? Is the gaming industry the worst industry in the world, then?

What is going on with this thread?

Other publishers let you choose which pieces of DLC for a game you want to buy. I'd love it if Nintendo were like other publishers and let me only buy the second DLC pack.

 

[koss424]

It's an incomplete game then tho, how can I game knowing I'm gonna be having an inferior experience compared to other people?

Why not go shopping the content on the game and then see if you want to expand your play because you like the game based on your experiences. I fear our parents have failed us.

 

[BGBW]

Don't know if anyone has said this before, but in past Zelda games, it's called "Hero mode" not "Hard mode". Could "Hard Mode" be a Breath of the Wild Master Quest, with different dungeons and shrines?

We also have Twilight Princess HD that had two hard modes, one available to everyone, the other locked behind the Ganondorf Amiibo (which costs more than half of what the BotW DLC packs cost)

 

[Skronk]

You know what's great about dlc? You can still play the game and enjoy it without any dlc! It's the bee's knees guys!

Too many people have a completionist attitude when it comes to games, they have to own every part whether they want it or not. So when DLC is announced they get mad because they think they're being forced to buy it.

 

[Oddish1]

voicing their discontent is fine, but what i'm saying is talking like you already 100% know what sort of stuff are in those dlc content points.

That is 100% on Nintendo. People wouldn't be arguing over hard mode being locked into DLC if Nintendo had said whether there was a hard mode in the base game. And not detailing how much content is in the DLC is going to have people assume the worst. It's on Nintendo to sell people on whether the extra content is worth the price, and if all Nintendo can drop is the price of a season price and some vague promise of "story content" then they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Spirited]

Am I missing something how is it horrible when nintendo puts up a season pass for $20 which is on the lower end of what season passes cost nowadays?
Also why wouldn't they have a season's pass as it's pretty much an industry standard at this point?

I'm not gonna buy it but I don't see what's so offensive about this proposition.

 

[thepenguin55]

Chill, what i meant is that so far i haven't seen any major game released by nintendo as GOTY, and one of the exceptions is Mario kart 8 but this is on a different system.

Not even Hyrule Warriors, Smash, or Splatoon have a GOTY.

So in the end, some people will never play it...or actually were never planning on buying it and just love to complain

Part of voicing their discontent should be actually knowing what are they talking about

Sorry if I jumped down your throat a bit. I feel like everyone (even including myself) is getting overly worked up about this. We all knew the day of season passes for nintendo games would come and while putting a hard mode behind a paywall is certainly weird it's by no means unprecedented. As others have pointed out this could mean that there is more to it than just a harder difficulty. Having said that, I'm not Zelda expert but isn't the number of Zelda games that included a hard mode (in their original release) super low?