Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos

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Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:
I mean, except for Jewish kids, so, uh
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Did I really have to specify?

Nevertheless, kids and teens have a shit sense of humor, Jewish or not. It's about who can make the edgiest and most insensitive joke as a form of tough guy posturing to see who can cross the line more. And when you make your millions off of youtube at the age of 19? 20? younger? and you have kids and teens commenting saying "lol that's hilarious" encouraging you to never grow out of that sense of humor, then you get cases like this.
 
Hahs said:
Why is this the go-to disclaimer for folks - as if it's ok for someone to say something that most people would find offensive/malicious if they don't intend malice..

Successful people will say/do damn near anything to maintain their credibility..he knew he would get a reaction, that's why he thought of, and made it happen.

People who do this shit, then come out and apologize for it after the fact is akin to someone hurting their spouse - bad, then apologizing only to do it/or something else again... Can't fool me PewDiePoop
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I agree with you. It amazes me how people go out of their way to say he didn't mean harm. Like why give someone the benefit of the doubt when they did it 9 times.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
How could a man in Sweden be aware of white nationalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Swedish_general_election,_2018



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#Racist_incidents
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Well to be fair, they're the only party that doesn't tolerate stuff like that. Other parties accept hatred against other people.

For example the socialists of Sweden is the biggest supporters for Hamas etc. Groups that ate truly anti-semitic and with nazist-tendencies.

As I said earlier in this thread..everyone in the western world has a problem with calling something that it is. Hatred and racism is the same whether it comes from right or legt.
 
Hahs said:
thanks, but just because I used your quote to respond to this discussion doesn't mean I was coming for you, chill out.
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It doesn't work like that, you can't selectively quote a person then say you were addressing someone else.

It clutters the conversation man, please don't do it.
 
Hjod said:
Yes we do, or does the recent attempts at bombing refugee centers have nothing to do with that? Is that just PC-culture gone wild again? The three suspect have connections to the Swedish Resistance movment, you know these guys..



But yeah, continue normalizing this shit, it's just PC-culture, everybody gets triggered over nothing, it just mainstream media/fake news either way.

We have three people who tried their best to kill people with bombs just because they fled a war torn country, you know what we usually label people like that? Fucking terrorists.

So you can just fuck off with your PC-culture nonsense.
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Yes there are retards everywhere..but 3 people doesn't make it a wide problem. But yes there are probably a few hundred nazis in Sweden.

But WHY does every newspaper and journalist act like its world war 3 when the right wing are doing somerhing but when there is a leftist terrorist or jihadist then they ate trying to mock it up?

For me a terrorist is a terrorist whether he/she is leftist or right wing. Whether they are christian or muslim, black or white.

Thats why swedish media is PC. I live in Norway and here the norwegian primeminister said when asked about this..that Sweden has haf a big problem with this.
 
Let's not get any further off topic about lefty terrorism, which has nothing to do with this story.

Don't let the people trying to deflect from the topic do so.
 
Metal Gear?! said:
You're the one who's been living under a rock for the last 20 years if you think that the constant normalization of antisemitism in "edgy" humor has been harmless and that anyone taking a stand on it is utterly boring.
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Yep, he's such an antisemite that he regularly talks to and collabs with Ethan and Hilla Klein, two Jewish people, one being from Israel. /Sarcasm What he said was definitely stupid, but he absolutely is not an anti-semite.
 
XGoldenboyX said:
Good , another less idiot in the world. Made millions with useless things to say all the time. crazy how you can go so high and fall so low..

there is always a reason!
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What do you mean by 'another less idiot in the world'? PewDiePie isn't going anywhere, if I'm understanding the content of those articles correctly, some of his premium stuff will go away because of this colaboration cancellation, but the main channel is and probably will be fine.
 
Bansai said:
What do you mean by 'another less idiot in the world'? PewDiePie isn't going anywhere, if I'm understanding the content of those articles correctly, some of his premium stuff will go away because of this colaboration cancellation, but the main channel is and probably will be fine.
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those suck anyway. I mean you charged premium for someone whose majority of audience were kids?

Waiting his response tho, it should be the time where he usually post vids atm
 
Ponn said:
Because we and people of your same think already gave them the benefit of the doubt and they literally did align themselves with these caricatures. They already won. Now is the time to put a stop to this shit and let people know this it is not ok and not normal. You are literally playing catch up, you are not going to be a part of the solution if you keep trying to drag people back and normalize alt right and Nazi propaganda. There is no discussion to be had about the merits of anti-Semitic jokes, white nationalism or bigotry. Once you do that you've already legitimized them.
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I don't recall trying to normalise anything to be honest, more just wondering out loud whether or not something as blatant as what PDP pulled would make him an unintentional hero of the right - I think a certain argument can be made that he might not, but it's hardly bullet proof.

And I don't feel like I'm catching up here. Obviously this stuff is happening, but I suppose I'm more broadly asking, in a world where these people have a vote, how do we, as you phrased it, 'put a stop to this shit?'

People have been condemning the alt-right openly and with very little restraint since long before Trump appeared on the political scene and his continued success has only intensified that so, while I get the anger and the frustration - and I really do - I have to wonder how effective a tactic that is.

Rather than playing catch-up, I'm feel like I'm one step ahead right now: now we've identified the problem, failed to apprehend it and vented our frustrations, what's next?

It's a serious question.
 
mckmas8808 said:
So why did he do it?
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I know plenty of people that are not (consciously at least) racists or homophobic and yet are regularly able to crack jokes that make me totally uncomfortable. When I call Them out they are always Luke "you know me, Im not like that".

And he has an audience of millions to Cater to that I suspect liked the joke.

Its not like Im Betting on him being antisemitic. The things is, making jokes like that for millions of little idiots means adding this to their eveeyday vocabulary. Its a very grave things in itself.
 
I went to look in his twitter likes and this is the first thing that showed up

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This guy works for him btw.
 
PritheeBeCareful said:
I don't recall trying to normalise anything to be honest, more just wondering out loud whether or not something as blatant as what PDP pulled would make him an unintentional hero of the right - I think a certain argument can be made that he might not, but it's hardly bullet proof.

And I don't feel like I'm catching up here. Obviously this stuff is happening, but I suppose I'm more broadly asking, in a world where these people have a vote, how do we, as you phrased it, 'put a stop to this shit?'

People have been condemning the alt-right openly and with very little restraint since long before Trump appeared on the political scene and his continued success has only intensified that so, while I get the anger and the frustration - and I really do - I have to wonder how effective a tactic that is.

Rather than playing catch-up, I'm feel like I'm one step ahead right now: now we've identified the problem, failed to apprehend it and vented our frustrations, what's next?

It's a serious question.
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We collectively stop contributing to his viewership and not allow his normalizing of hate speech to reach our kids. Unsubscribe, tell your kids they won't be watching him, and maybe even use your social media accounts to post articles letting other parents/non-Nazis know.
 
mckmas8808 said:
So why did he do it?
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Probably shock value and lack of forethought on what kind of impact those statements can have. While what he said was harmful, I think there is a huge difference between someone saying something out of malice and someone being absurdist or irreverent, even if it is in poor taste.

It just really rubs me the wrong way how black and white everyone reacts to these sorts of things. It's both possible that he acted irresponsibly and is still a normal person and not the antichrist.
 
Doc_Drop said:
I'm not going to make an assumption on your age but I'll say this - I'm now 31, grew up on some of the punk ideals of questioning authority and art that tries to point out the lies society is being fed. At this point I've tempered most of my more extreme views and settled on a certain veneer of cynicism that enables me to not be surprised when pieces of shit act like pieces of shit.

I can't view the world like you as I've witnessed power and money hungry officials lie and cheat their way to the top. The world isn't in the shutter but we have Trump as president and Theresa May as PM and the media is full of bullshit news and propaganda enabling these things. Some people have to earn respect and understanding or any level of optimism from me,it's not a given
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I'm 30, grew up in the same kind of stuff and I've seen all the same shit come and go and I get the frustration, but what keeps me chugging is the knowledge that this kind of media deluge is designed to make you feel helpless, to assume the worst and become accustomed to things being wrong.

It breeds a certain apathy amongst people or a feeling of powerlessness which manifests as uncontrolled outrage and it stagnates them. When people calm down, marshal their emotions and think more objectively, they come up with more effective solutions - they get organized and strategic and then they become really dangerous.

That sense of cynicism - I'd argue that's the ultimate goal of media propaganda, particularly for anyone who tries to be well informed, because the better informed you are, the more crushed and helpless and cynical you feel.

Perhaps a little deeper than you were expecting, but that's my take away.
 
Fisty said:
We collectively stop contributing to his viewership and not allow his normalizing of hate speech to reach our kids. Unsubscribe, tell your kids they won't be watching him, and maybe even use your social media accounts to post articles letting other parents/non-Nazis know.
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Batten down the hatches? That's one possible approach, but my experience is that ignoring problems doesn't make them go away and boycotting, well that just makes people even more curious...
 
I've only been glancing at the arguments here, so I apologize if my point's already been made:

There is no way for us to look into PewDiePie's brain and see what his intent is. We've all said stupid things with good intentions so I can understand how that's something people will want to defend, but all we have are PewDiePie's actions and context to determine what he means. Based off that:

PewDiePie has done numerous videos with Nazi or anti-Semitic images, with no obvious ridicule of the messages,

PewDiePie associates with people who are are aggressive against social justice.

PewDiePie seems to have concern himself how his messages in this particular instance may have been harmful, though he's previously adjusted his message based of criticism (rape jokes).

I still don't know what his intent is, but there's reasonable doubt here. I'm not going to assume it's good just because he wants me to. He may just want me to assume good intentions because it's advantageous to him.
 
ClosingADoor said:
You going to tell us Charlie Chaplin made a nazi movie also next?
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So did Steven Spielberg /s.

Pewdiepie may know how to make money, but he has nothing of value to say. He's literally never done anything of merit other than obtaining his audience. His popularity is kind of destroying a generation of people anyway in much the same way that Kim Kardashian did before him.

It's vapid content that is now offensive vapid content. I'm glad he's seeing pushback from his sponsors.
 
ModestMouseTrap said:
Probably shock value and lack of forethought on what kind of impact those statements can have. While what he said was harmful, I think there is a huge difference between someone saying something out of malice and someone being absurdist or irreverent, even if it is in poor taste.

It just really rubs me the wrong way how black and white everyone reacts to these sorts of things. It's both possible that he acted irresponsibly and is still a normal person and not the antichrist.
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True indeed. But I'd just say as a black guy sometimes you have to protect yourself from people like this because you never know who's the sheep in wolves' clothing. My grandpa (born in the early 30s) use to tell me of all kinds of stories on how racist it used to be.

And there's just no way we can allow ourselves regardless of race, religion, etc to allow stuff like this slide.
 
PritheeBeCareful said:
I don't recall trying to normalise anything to be honest, more just wondering out loud whether or not something as blatant as what PDP pulled would make him an unintentional hero of the right - I think a certain argument can be made that he might not, but it's hardly bullet proof.

And I don't feel like I'm catching up here. Obviously this stuff is happening, but I suppose I'm more broadly asking, in a world where these people have a vote, how do we, as you phrased it, 'put a stop to this shit?'

People have been condemning the alt-right openly and with very little restraint since long before Trump appeared on the political scene and his continued success has only intensified that so, while I get the anger and the frustration - and I really do - I have to wonder how effective a tactic that is.

Rather than playing catch-up, I'm feel like I'm one step ahead right now: now we've identified the problem, failed to apprehend it and vented our frustrations, what's next?

It's a serious question.
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You've gotten answers to your questions. How about you start some slinging answers and solutions to the problem if you don't like the answers being given and don't agree.
 
Play with fire, get burned.

The jokes he was trying to make weren't funny and he didn't have some kind of message to deliver. It was just straight up garbage content and totally phoned in. Considering how much he's called out youtube for being so screwed up you'd think he'd hold himself to higher standards.

He's basically the kim kardashian of youtube at this point but with out proper PR. He's popular for being popular and doesn't really have anything of value to share anymore.
 
captain_skyhawk said:
Play with fire, get burned.

The jokes he was trying to make weren't funny and he didn't have some kind of message to deliver. It was just straight up garbage content and totally phoned in. Considering how much he's called out youtube for being so screwed up you'd think he'd hold himself to higher standards.

He's basically the kim kardashian of youtube at this point but with out proper PR. He's popular for being popular and doesn't really have anything of value to share anymore.
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How did he call out YouTube?
 
ModestMouseTrap said:
Yep, he's such an antisemite that he regularly talks to and collabs with Ethan and Hilla Klein, two Jewish people, one being from Israel. /Sarcasm What he said was definitely stupid, but he absolutely is not an anti-semite.
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oh so he has jewish friends meaning he is now allowed to say whatever he wants
ok
 
ModestMouseTrap said:
Yep, he's such an antisemite that he regularly talks to and collabs with Ethan and Hilla Klein, two Jewish people, one being from Israel. /Sarcasm What he said was definitely stupid, but he absolutely is not an anti-semite.
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Doesn't matter what he "is" or who his friends are. What matters is what he does.

Having Jewish friends doesn't mean you can say whatever you want about Jews.
 
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