NYT: Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

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If Trump gets impeached, is Pence that much better?

Yes

People didn't vote for Pence, his reelection is going to have some bitterness from one side of Republicans and distrust from the other

And if Pence is poisoned fruit, Ryan will have even less of a mandate.

Plus, Trump's doing much of what we feared Pence would do, so the only difference is that Pence (hopefully) is just regular evil and not Trump evil, who recognizes that a fascist state is dangerous for both parties.
 
At best I figure some more senior officials will fall/be pushed on their swords.

I am most looking forward to the contrived reasoning as to what the communication was about.
 
Correct. They were just chatting about sports and the weather.

You know, as most Russians and Americans do over the phone on the regular.
I just called my Russian friend yesterday to talk about how amazing our new glorious leader Donald Trump is.
 
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i think lawful evil is better than chaotic evil

I don't think we have any framework for it, but if there were ever grounds for an election redo this would be it. Not that that will ever happen under the Republicans as it would be an almost sure fired loss for them.
The Dems would still find a way to lose.
 
Why is this groundbreaking? Didn't intelligence agencies already know this, and tell us this? I'm pretty sure that it was just another thing that nobody did anything about more than a month ago, now it is brought up again, we scream inpeachment?? What changed? Maddow even did that amazing 2part investigation a month ago that everyone here was awed by, about the Russian connections and meetings.

Trump and his campaign have repeatedly said they had no contact with Russian officials during the campaign. This throws a huge wrench into those claims.
 
Doesn't sound like it, but it also doesn't sound like something that explosive would be leaked either. I mean, that would be proof of treason on the part of the Trump campaign.

If they didn't find any evidence of corporation in the phone calls then there is no treason, to be made from this....yet. I just hope there's more hidden away right now beyond public eye. And they need to get Flynn before congress asap. Smoke is brewing.

Several of Mr. Trump’s associates, like Mr. Manafort, have done business in Russia, and it is not unusual for American businessmen to come in
contact with foreign intelligence officials, sometimes unwittingly, in countries like Russia and Ukraine, where the spy services are deeply embedded in society. Law enforcement officials did not say to what extent the contacts may have been about business.
The last quote is important imo.
 
The "nothing will come of this because LOL GOP" crowd never fails to make me facepalm when more and more things like this HAVE been coming out of the last few stories where people said: "Nothing will come of this."
 
If Trump gets impeached, is Pence that much better?

Yes. Trump impeachment would damage the republican party and Pence would put people in positions of authority that are more likely to know what they are doing. You also would not have issues like Trump sacking most of the head officials of the State Dept as well as targeting career (non partisan) staffers that have been doing this shit for multiple presidencies. It would make a Republican White House more competent but what we have right now is unstable and dangerous for everyone.
 
If Trump gets impeached, is Pence that much better?

Yes. They are in different leagues of shittiness. Pence is the run of the mill conservative Republican. Donald Trump is a narcissistic psychopath, allowing white supremacist to run the country while he flips out twitter every time someone says something mean.

One will sign regressive conservative policies into law and appoint a conservative Supreme Court Justice and the other will sign regressive conservative policies into law, appoint a conservative Supreme Court Justice, sign as many insane Executive Orders that his fascist cabinet can slide under his pen and cause horrific international incidents on a monthly basis on twitter, all while selling the country out to Vladimir Putin.
 
This is an ultra megaton. There is enough here for full impeachment of the Trump administration.

For the GOP? Nah. PeePeeTapes or irrefutable evidence of collusion with the Russian government to influence the election probably would be, but we're not there yet.

Still, look at what we've learned already in such a short amount of time. The IC isn't going away any time soon with regards to this stuff.
 
this HAS to be enough for the GOP to warrant starting an investigation.... right?

LOL.


I'd be shocked if Russian money isnt running deep all thoughtout the RNC these days.

If Trump gets impeached, is Pence that much better?

I dont like the guy and civil rights are going to be fucked no matter what but Pence probably isnt going to go to war over bullshit so he is a improvement.
 
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