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[excelsiorlef]

And the video was not live, he got them to do it, recorded himself watching it and then consciously made the decision to make it public.... He knew hit was wrong and posted it to the public anyway.

He choose and incredibly political statement and then does what many folks in his position do, claim his channel isn't about politics. It's the ultimate cop out.

 

[akira28]

And the video was not live, he got them to do it, recorded himself watching it and then consciously made the decision to make it public.... He knew hit was wrong and posted it to the public anyway.

He choose and incredibly political statement and then does what many folks in his position do, claim his channel isn't about politics. It's the ultimate cop out.

dat privilege. the optics are a multi-multi-multimillionaire young white man exploiting brown people for comedy. "OMG these non-english speaking people copied this racist and hateful thing I wrote as a joke, because I'm paying them! They don't share our values! What a fucked up world we live in. (Just a prank bro..........free speech)"

 

[janoDX]

If he wanted to proof a point (people will say anything for $5) he could have made them say e.g. something negative or even insulting about him but he choose to be anti semitic for laughs and giggles.

What would be the worst thing you would make them say that they might refuse to write? The idea was them refusing to do that like the "drink bleach" request he made to a girl on Fiver.

A smart person would just say sorry in a humble way and maybe even donate a small amount of money to a Jewish non profit organisation.

Okay let's not go overboard, he apologized, he said it was wrong, and when the indian boys were banned from Fiver, he tried to get them back and put the blame on him in order to get them unbanned.

He made a "how far would you go for 5 dollars" and a "Keemstar joke" at the same time.

 

[Mr_ZaaZ]

What's really tragic is that MSM is still leagues ahead of shit like Infowars and Breitbart which are encroaching on public consciousness. That's why I think it's critical that well-respected news sources don't pull shit like this, because otherwise the alt-right wins and facts become irrelevant.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. People in general need to be more skeptical and think for themselves.

 

[BBQMan]

Yes I am sure Forbes and the WSJ are just jealous of PDP's hits...


In the end just that one video where he paid those folks to say Anti-Semitic shit for the lolz should be enough to warrant this heat...

Yep as a way to show how fucked up the system he was using is. It was also a joke about another Youtuber. It doesnt warrant all the false accusations he is getting at all. Is he Anti-Semitic? No.

 

[AudioEppa]

Yes I am sure Forbes and the WSJ are just jealous of PDP's hits...


In the end just that one video where he paid those folks to say Anti-Semitic shit for the lolz should be enough to warrant this heat...

In the in this heat will be nothing more than a hot quick breeze. Well he continue to do whatever he wants in his videos? Who knows. Regardless his hardcore audience knows him and other popular yter are on his side.

This whole situation with Disney is like a hollywood divorce that wasn't ugly. But we got websites who need something to talk about for a little bit.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yep as a way to show how fucked up the system he was using is. It was also a joke about another Youtuber. It doesnt warrant all the false accusations he is getting at all. Is he Anti-Semitic? No.

Is he? No most likely not, was the joke? Yes.

Was it necessary the goal he was supposedly hoping to achieve? No

He is a victim in this? Nah.

In the in this heat will be nothing more than a hot quick breeze. Well he continue to do whatever he wants in his videos? Who knows. Regardless his hardcore audience knows him and other popular yter are on his side.

This whole situation with Disney is like a hollywood divorce that wasn't ugly. But we got websites who need something to talk about for a little bit.

He also got some heat from YouTube and will lose some ads and sponsorships so it's not just the Disney thing...

Maybe it'll force him to grow up

 

[Velurian]

So erm, living in Estonia, my family was hunted by both the commies and nazies. Some were recruited to the German army some were sent to Siberia.

As far as war experience goes, my grandparents told me Germans were actually very nice, since they always left their guns at the gate when coming to talk to people and traded food/supplies for chocolate or other stuff that had. Where as commies just walked in, were agressive and offensive and took what they wanted. At least this was the experience in the little village they lived in (please note I AM not making any generalizations on the people or nations or trying to say anything about anybody outside of that context)

So in theory, as one of the victims of the nazi/commy regime I should be extra sensitive to these subjects or at least have the right to be. Nontheless I find the sensitivity around the matter and the awkwardness around the whole topic totally ridiculous and feel that the sooner we get to the point where we can make nazi jokes the better.

I mean christian church was a violent maffia that ran amok all over Europe and beyond in the name of god burning and torturing people left and right a few hundred years ago. US has turned the native Americans into a Zoo kind of attraction (no offence intended here, please forgive me if offended).

Germany has paid soooo much in reparations during the post war period and they are being the champs of the current migration crises in EU... I see no reason why the events that happened so long ago should be no more than a lesson learned by now and all debts repaid/sensitivity to matter resolved. Please make no mistake here, I am not by any means advocating for the nazi regime here, just saying perhaps its time develop a sense of humor and focus on things that are a problem now...

 

[excelsiorlef]

So erm, living in Estonia, my family was hunted by both the commies and nazies. Some were recruited to the German army some were sent to Siberia.

As far as war experience goes, my grandparents told me Germans were actually very nice, since they always left their guns at the gate when coming to talk to people and traded food/supplies for chocolate or other stuff that had. Where as commies just walked in, were agressive and offensive and took what they wanted. At least this was the experience in the little village they lived in (please note I AM not making any generalizations on the people or nations or trying to say anything about anybody outside of that context)

So in theory, as one of the victims of the nazi/commy regime I should be extra sensitive to these subjects or at least have the right to be. Nontheless I find the sensitivity around the matter and the awkwardness around the whole topic totally ridiculous and feel that the sooner we get to the point where we can make nazi jokes the better.

I mean christian church was a violent maffia that ran amok all over Europe and beyond in the name of god burning and torturing people left and right a few hundred years ago. US has turned the native Americans into a Zoo kind of attraction (no offence intended here, please forgive me if offended).

Germany was paid soooo much in reparations during the post war period and they are being the champs of the current migration crises in EU... I see no reason why the events that happened so long ago should be no more than a lesson learned by now and all debts repaid/sensitivity to matter resolved. Please make no mistake here, I am not by any means advocating for the nazi regime here, just saying perhaps its time develop a sense of humor and focus on things that are a problem now...

We make Nazi jokes all the time... like sitcoms were made out of it....

The key is to make it have a point beyond lolz Dead Jews... which PDP failed to do.

Also NeoNazis are a thing and fallout from the Holocaust still impacts today... sensitivity will never be resolved, nor should it be...

 

[Randam]

Even if you wont won't agree with H3H3 or change your mind about Pewdiepie, you should still watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4

shows a lot of context, which WSJ and co didn't show.

 

[AudioEppa]

He also got some heat from YouTube and will lose some ads and sponsorships so it's not just the Disney thing...

Honestly the stuff with YouTube I'm sure somebody in his position doesn't care about.

As for any sponsorships. They come and go. After a few months have passed he'll probably have new, if not better ones.

This situation will have the opposite effect of what a lot of people are looking for. This will make him even more popular.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Honestly the stuff with YouTube I'm sure somebody in his position doesn't care about.

As for any sponsorships. They come and go. After a few months have passed he'll probably have new, if not better ones.

This situation will have the opposite effect of what a lot of people are looking for. This will make him even more popular.

Well then he's doubly not a victim.

And it's unfortunate that you can be a total shit and get rewarded for it.

 

[Evil Monkey DTT]

Even if you wont won't agree with H3H3 or change your mind about Pewdiepie, you should still watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4

shows a lot of context, which WSJ and co didn't show.

Honestly I mostly agree with this video, and the reason is pretty much just how fast we are to jump to anger and ruining someone's reputation. I see something like jontron I see real fucked up shit that's considered normalized, which is his actual believes. I see pewdiepie I see a

Spoiler

shitty

comedian making a bad joke. That's not to say disney can't do what they do, that's their choice in the matter. But there's alot of jumping the gun on the entire person and enjoying his ruin which i don't see entirely called for.

This will make him even more popular.

Nah, he's already to big. That would work for someone to get attention but you can't be on youtune and not know the name piediepie weather you enjoy him or not.

 

[ISee]

What would be the worst thing you would make them say that they might refuse to write? The idea was them refusing to do that like the "drink bleach" request he made to a girl on Fiver.

As I said, something targeting yourself and not an ethnic group. Maybe something like:
'PDP, you worthless shit, go and kill yourself' (in his position). It's drastic, very inappropriate and in general just a shit thing to say to somebody. Still things like that happen on a regular basis on the Internet and by targeting himself he could sell it as a try to make a point.

 

[janoDX]

Welp, even Keemstar jumped at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrpVS2SyjgA

 

[Aztechnology]

Well then he's doubly not a victim.

And it's unfortunate that you can be a total shit and get rewarded for it.

Edit: You know what. I don't even want to do this. Too much for me.

 

[janoDX]

As I said, something targeting yourself and not an ethnic group. Maybe something like:
'PDP, you worthless shit, go and kill yourself' (in his position). It's drastic, very inappropriate and in general just a shit thing to say to somebody. Still things like that happen on a regular basis on the Internet and by targeting himself he could sell it as a try to make a point.

Lacks the impact. Kill yourself has been done for so much time that it lacks the impact.

 

[Fahzgoolin]

I recently watched a video of his where he explained how he doesn't wanna focus on video game content anymore for the sake of it. I think he's tired of the attention, the pressures of being a YouTube personality, and is starting to lose it.

I'm beginning to think that being a full time YouTuber is potentially more damaging on your psyche than being a traditional celebrity. You are expected to be in front of a camera and engaging with an audience even more than Hollywood actors.

 

[Christhor]

dat privilege. the optics are a multi-multi-multimillionaire young white man exploiting brown people for comedy. "OMG these non-english speaking people copied this racist and hateful thing I wrote as a joke, because I'm paying them! They don't share our values! What a fucked up world we live in. (Just a prank bro..........free speech)"

Stop that. Either both Pewdiepie and the two Indian men are racist, or none of them are racist. It's disgusting that you'd defend one over the other.

 

[ISee]

Lacks the impact. Kill yourself has been done for so much time that it lacks the impact.

WOW.
So killing Jews hasn't been done enough and therefore it is OK?
You logic is so fucked up.

 

[akira28]

Stop that. Either both Pewdiepie and the two Indian men are racist, or none of them are racist. It's disgusting that you'd defend one over the other.

lol no. there is no equal blame here. nothing happens without the rich European needing some provocative material and paying some brown people in need of money to act using the racist material he provided.

 

[Christhor]

lol no. there is no equal blame here. nothing happens without the rich European needing some provocative material and paying some brown people in need of money to act using the racist material he provided.

They were still being racist for money. They could have chosen not to say it, but they didn't. Is it okay to be racist for money, if someone else is paying you?

 

[janoDX]

WOW.
So killing Jews hasn't been done enough and therefore it is OK?
You logic is so fucked up.

Like I said, the idea is them REFUSING to do that, something that blew up on PDP's face because they "didn't understand what those words mean" (bullshit, they understood) and they still did it, and because "memes and views" he decided to put it online still. Then he realized he fucked up, and it was late.

Kill yourself lacks the impact because of the internet culture of today, you can read those two words every single day. Don't try to overblown things because my logic says that "kill yourself" lacks the impact.

 

[akira28]

They were still being racist for money. They could have chosen not to say it, but they didn't. Is it okay to be racist for money, if someone else is paying you?

Of course not.
So we are in agreement, PewdiePie is a racist.

 

[Afrocious]

PDP could shoot someone in Times Square and folks ITT would defend him.

 

[Christhor]

Of course not.
So we are in agreement, PewdiePie is a racist.

If we agree on him being racist, then we agree on the Indians being racist too.

 

[janoDX]

PDP could shoot someone in Times Square and folks ITT would defend him.

Nah, killing someone is too far. Unless someone wants to kill him.

 

[ScaryShark]

idubbbz is a Maker Studio joint too? Seems inconsistent.

 

[akira28]

If we agree on him being racist, then we agree on the Indians being racist too.

they were paid to participate in a racist action they had no connection to except for a monetary incentive.

PDP devised the scheme, carried out the plan, edited the result, and published it for profit, to entertain his millions of fans.

The levels of responsibility are pretty clear cut. No one is saying that what the Indian men did wasn't racist. Are they racists? Well that would be something you would have to argue. But the argument in respect to PewdiePie's actions and motives should be a lot less complicated.

 

[janoDX]

But the argument in respect to PewdiePie's actions and motives should be a lot less complicated.

Yeah, he's not.

 

[Christhor]

they were paid to participate in a racist action they had no connection to except for a monetary incentive.

PDP devised the scheme, carried out the plan, edited the result, and published it for profit, to entertain his millions of fans.

The levels of responsibility are pretty clear cut. No one is saying that what the Indian men did wasn't racist. Are they racists? Well that would be something you would have to argue. But the argument in respect to PewdiePie's actions and motives should be a lot less complicated.

Oh okay, so those guys just did it for profit while entertaining a random person on the internet, while Pewdiepie did it for profit while entertaining many people on the internet. Both of them devised a scheme, carried out the plan, edited their results and uploaded it to the internet for profit. They both did it separately. You could even argue that PDP's actions actually are more complicated, because he's been saying it's a joke this whole time, while the other guys are doing it purely for profit.

 

[Jangowuzhere]

If we agree on him being racist, then we agree on the Indians being racist too.

According to their apology video, they didn't even know what a Jew was. English isn't their first language.

No one is racist here, this whole thing is just super stupid and should have never happened.

 

[Stiler]

This whole thing reminds me of a George Carlin bit, can't find it atm though. Basically him talking about "bad words" and how context is what matters behind the words.


From what I've read and saw, especially from the H3H3 video it feels like a lot of people, in the media especially, are taking this thing out of context to fit their headlines.

So many people seem to like to follow a group mentality these days, heaping on someone to tear them down without seeing all the information or making up their own minds about it.

 

[Randam]

PDP could shoot someone in Times Square and folks ITT would defend him.

and again: context matters!


if he shot a spree killer, of course people would defend him.
if he shot an innocent person, they wouldn't.

 

[akira28]

Yeah, he's not.

he paid some brown folks to be human props in his racist kill all jews joke. I guess the fact that he's the originator and producer isn't a factor. without his need for the material, without his money, without his social media platform..and he's just as equally responsible as the dudes he paid 5 dollars to act for his multi-million viewer programming.

Oh okay, so those guys just did it for profit while entertaining a random person on the internet, while Pewdiepie did it for profit while entertaining many people on the internet. Both of them devised a scheme, carried out the plan, edited their results and uploaded it to the internet for profit. They both did it separately. You could even argue that PDP's actions actually are more complicated, because he's been saying it's a joke this whole time, while the other guys are doing it purely for profit.

you did give it a shot, I'll give you that. but no.

 

[Christhor]

you did give it a shot, I'll give you that. but no.

Okay, racist defender, whatever you say.

 

[The Wart]

This whole thing reminds me of a George Carlin bit, can't find it atm though. Basically him talking about "bad words" and how context is what matters behind the words.


From what I've read and saw, especially from the H3H3 video it feels like a lot of people, in the media especially, are taking this thing out of context to fit their headlines.

So many people seem to like to follow a group mentality these days, heaping on someone to tear them down without seeing all the information or making up their own minds about it.

Are you actually paying any attention to the content of the arguments of the people you disagree with? There are plenty of people posting in this thread who have seen H3H3's video and understand the context. They have made up their own minds up about and they disagree with you. Acting like H3H3's video is some sort of irrefutable evidence for your position is simply ducking the actual argument.

 

[akira28]

Okay, racist defender, whatever you say.

I'm sorry, they're both the same. PDP who went out to find someone to say kill the jews for him, and some disadvantaged brown skinned people essentially andpossibly unknowingly degrading themselves for PDP's profit. PDP got his lolz, but they're racist and he's shocked.

"$hocked."

 

[janoDX]

Are you actually paying any attention to the content of the arguments of the people you disagree with? There are plenty of people posting in this thread who have seen H3H3's video and understand the context. They have made up their own minds up about and they disagree with you. Acting like H3H3's video is some sort of irrefutable evidence for your position is simply ducking the actual argument.

The problem it's the mental gymnastics I saw from some people trying to keep their point of attacking PDP and defend WSJ and others.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

His channel has always had swearing and inappropriate language. Business ties with Disney =/= he needs to be squeaky-clean, it's not like he's a Disney Channel star or anything.

Also PewDiePie doesn't need to work another day in his life if he doesn't want to, so I doubt he really gives a shit.

Did you really just imply that because swearing is acceptable, anti-semitic jokes should be?

Oh, and PewDiePie clearly does give a shit, because he's whining about this like a bitch instead of acknowledging he was at fault. Hence my initial post.

 

[ISee]

Like I said, the idea is them REFUSING to do that, something that blew up on PDP's face because they "didn't understand what those words mean" (bullshit, they understood) and they still did it, and because "memes and views" he decided to put it online still. Then he realized he fucked up, and it was late.

Kill yourself lacks the impact because of the internet culture of today, you can read those two words every single day. Don't try to overblown things because my logic says that "kill yourself" lacks the impact.

It lacks the impact is a bit naive, people who mindlessly tell other persons to kill themselves will also mindlessly shout 'death to all Jews' when they think it is funny. Both phrases won't have any kind of impact on those people, no matter what and he could have still proofed his point without the fallout by saying 'PDP kill yourself'. Maybe he could've even used it to bring attention to people mindlessly using 'kill yourself' and educate them a bit.

I also don't think PDP went with 'death to all Jews' over 'kill yourself' because he thought it would have more impact, he didn't think at all while typing in the phrase (just rewatch the video) so please don't try to sell it as something well thought out.

I'd also would like to challenge you to tell someone on neoGAF to kill himself just because you disagree with him. NeoGAF is part of the Internet and therefore there won't be consequences because it is a normal thing to do, correct?

 

[Christhor]

I'm sorry, they're both the same. PDP who went out to find someone to say kill the jews for him, and some disadvantaged brown skinned people essentially andpossibly unknowingly degrading themselves for PDP's profit. PDP got his lolz, but they're racist and he's shocked.

"$hocked."

Okay. So what about this guy, who someone paid (through the same service) to say "Hitler did nothing wrong"? Is he alright because someone else is paying him to say it, and he's essentially degrading himself for someone else?

 

[janoDX]

It lacks the impact is a bit naive, people who mindlessly tell other persons to kill themselves will also mindlessly shout 'death to all Jews' when they think it is funny. Both phrases won't have any kind of impact on those people, no matter what and he could have still proofed his point without the fallout by saying 'PDP kill yourself'. Maybe he could've even used it to bring attention to people mindlessly using 'kill yourself' and educate them a bit.

Hey I have told people to "Kill Themselves" over the internet but I still find "Death to all Jews" offensive.

Again and based on that, PDP expected that they would refuse that kind of statement as the later. It's not naive. Put both into comparison and the story they have.

I also don't think PDP went with 'death to all Jews' over 'kill yourself' because he thought it would have more impact, he didn't think at all while typing in the phrase (just rewatch the video) so please don't try to sell it as something well thought out.

He thought of the first offensive thing he could get through his mind that they would refuse.

I'd also would like to challenge you to tell someone on neoGAF to kill himself just because you disagree with him. NeoGAF is part of the Internet and therefore there won't be consequences because it is a normal thing to do, correct?

NeoGAF being part of the internet doesn't mean GAF is the internet.



EDIT: I'm gonna make it more simple to you, "Kill Yourself" lost its meaning on the internet because how abused it became.

 

[Fliesen]

Hey I have told people to "Kill Themselves" over the internet but I still find "Death to all Jews" offensive.

urgh.

EDIT: I'm gonna make it more simple to you, "Kill Yourself" lost its meaning on the internet because how abused it became.

And how about we try NOT to make the holocaust a similar 'meme' without 'impact', then, shall we?

 

[ISee]

Hey I have told people to "Kill Themselves" over the internet but I still find "Death to all Jews" offensive

Oh, of course. I should have guessed that. Mea culpa, I'm out. There is no reason to keep talking to you.

 

[janoDX]

And how about we try NOT to make the holocaust a similar 'meme' without 'impact', then, shall we?

Agreed.

Sadly, again, the internet culture is making it worse. If we are to blame something it would be the recent culture of "nothing is sacred" and have "no boundaries" that some sites have put into.

Right now depends on the people how they filter their content and they decide if they want to watch something or not, all of this because we don't control the people who say or watch those things. But we can teach the children that "something is wrong with what X person said" and explain. And not left them at their own mercy to learn by themselves.

 

[Fliesen]

Agreed.

Sadly, again, the internet culture is making it worse. If we are to blame something it would be the recent culture of "nothing is sacred" and have "no boundaries".

well, how about we ... like ... call out those, who have great influence over a large audience if they contribute to the normalization of abhorrent statements like that, and see if they are sanctioned by those who have business ties with them.

 

[janoDX]

well, how about we ... like ... call out those, who have great influence over a large audience if they contribute to the normalization of abhorrent statements like that, and see if they are sanctioned by those who have business ties with them.

How about not watch them? Wouldn't be that better? Because even calling them out it will not change a thing, instead not watching them not putting attention will give them 0 dollars from ads. What just happened with PDP will not affect him, he might scale back but he will continue with the edgy content.

Educate the children, stop with leaving the computer as baby-sitter for god's sake!.

 

[akira28]

Okay. So what about this guy, who someone paid (through the same service) to say "Hitler did nothing wrong"? Is he alright because someone else is paying him to say it, and he's essentially degrading himself for someone else?

You can assail the men, but that does not absolve PDP who is the dude with the massive social media platform he has reduced to making "Kill the Jew" jokes. Him and his use of the platform are more problematic in this instance, and coincidentally, everyone seems to think that's a much bigger issue.

well everyone except PDP fans, "If he's racist then they're all racist."

 

[Christhor]

You can assail the men, but that does not absolve PDP who is the dude with the massive social media platform he has reduced to making "Kill the Jew" jokes. Him and his use of the platform are more problematic in this instance, and coincidentally, everyone seems to think that's a much bigger issue.

well everyone except PDP fans, "If he's racist then they're all racist."

Sure, it doesn't absolve him of anything. Yeah, PDP is the bigger issue here, but let's not pretend that you were defending racists earlier and that's what you got called out on in the first place. Saying that they were racist does not absolve PDP of anything.

I'm not a PDP fan, lol. It's kinda fucked up you'd suggest someone from a country historically oppressed by Sweden to be a fan of a Swede.