Those excerpts are included in the WSJ compilation as part of their story....
Keep snaking away from having to admit "death to jews" is a hate message though.
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Those excerpts are included in the WSJ compilation as part of their story....
Keep snaking away from having to admit "death to jews" is a hate message though.
But PDP is also making outrageous statements for money! How is what he did any different than they the Fiverr guys did? Except that he also orchestrated and propagated it.
Keemstar doesn't care if you make a dig at him. It just brings attention to him. Keemstar also believes jokes should not be taken seriously at all. Keemstar is a racist bigot. Keemstar is also coming to the defense of PDP over the anti-semitic joke and telling people to boycott Disney.
It doesn't matter if it was a dig at him. It doesn't phase him. The joke was bad half-assed social commentary and a joke at the expensive of another who doesn't even care, thus leaving only behind an anti-semitic message.
Actual jokes have thought and messages put into them to get something across for people to understand. Jokes can be and have been used for a form of communication for ages. PDP's social commentary joke had little thought involved and can be used to normalize that sort of behavior because there was very little point or message. It was just bad.
It doesn't matter if it was a dig at him. It doesn't phase him. The joke was bad half-assed social commentary and a joke at the expensive of another who doesn't even care, thus leaving only behind an anti-semitic message.
Actual jokes have thought and messages put into them to get something across for people to understand. Jokes can be and have been used for a form of communication for ages. PDP's social commentary joke had little thought involved and can be used to normalize that sort of behavior because there was very little point or message. It was just bad.
depths20XX
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Because the intent behind the message is not "death to all jews". I'm not snaking away from anything man. There's no hate behind it.
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Deleted member 10571
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And this is exactly the point. Perfect.
See, when i was frustrated about my parents seemingly treating my brother differently and not punishing* when he was doing stuff i felt he should be punished* for, i did shitty things, saying "WELL, LOOK AT ME, I'M JUST BEING LIKE [brother's name], JUST DOING WHAT HE DOES".
Didn't change the fact that i was being shitty. Didn't change the fact that i deserved to be sanctioned for being shitty.
And i would believe PewDiePie to be able to call out racist youtubers in a more nuanced way than 6 year old me would call out his brother.
*in case anyone wonders, we're talking 'no afternoon TV' stuff, not like, physical punishment or anything like that.
Sure, but that's not the same thing.
It's the same kind of joke as 'There is no evidence Bob Saget raped and killed a girl in 1990' by Gilbert Gottfried, which had a sort of induced Streisand effect as it became a staple of popular media with people asking if he really did that. It's a joke meant to associate the person being made fun of with something disgusting, which in this case is actually the sort of thing Keemstar would say.
Nocturno999
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Posters are overestimating population's intelligence by saying his career is done.
This controversy will boost his subscribers numbers.
This controversy will boost his subscribers numbers.
Need more gymnastics
PDP has nothing. It was poor social commentary using hate speech to insult someone else for entertainment. That's poor social commentary. That's like channer level jokes.
Yeah sure the statement "death to all jews" is value neutral, you keep running with that....
I don't understand your comparison. The Saget joke is just that, a joke. It has no basis in reality. How does that relate to this situation, when you are saying PDP's comment is based on reality?
The only way your comparison works is if Saget did rape a girl in 1990. And then the joke wouldn't be funny, so it would have everything in common with PDP.
He sure does, he's sensitive as fuck. I would imagine the only reason he's not trying to already destroy pewdiepie is the fact that at least he seems to realize PDP is so much bigger than him that it's not possible.
e: i guess this thread isn't about keemstar though
depths20XX
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So for example, if I were to say, "Bastables likes to kill children."
Would that then be a hateful statement about killing children? I feel like it would more likely just be a shitty insult directed towards you. This is all I'm getting at here.
It's not based on reality, though. Keemstar never said that, but it's not out of the question, just like there's a sliver of doubt in your mind right now that makes you think, wow Bob Saget does really kind of seem like the type.
The point of both jokes is to assign something horrific to a person that never did or said any of those things for comedic value. In Keemstar's case, it's more likely, but it's still not something he said.
Misattributing quotes to people is a more 'pure' version of this joke.
Note; I am not saying the joke is good or well executed. There are just people in this thread who want an explanation.
What does that have to do in a context where a state literally propagandised "death to all jews" and then proceed to enact it, and pewdiepie then uses it (in Variety's words) a stunt.
That's your argument, attempting to insult me as a child killer. Pathetic.
Does Bastables have a history of killing children?
Have Bastables throughout time been hunted and murdered by the millions for this made up crime?
Is the world currently experiencing a revival of hate for Bastables based on this lie?
No? Then stop making ridiculous comparisons.
Scrooge McDuck
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Which context? That it's a joke? That there's no hate behind it? That it's some kind of a mocking reenactment of some racist personality? You seem to have a misunderstanding what a hate speech is.
Look, the "joke" is there precisely because the message is hate speech. "I will send this hateful message for those guys to prop up. No way they would actually do it considering that, you know, it's a hateful message and all. OMG! They actually did it, those lunatics!"
I agree what people are saying here, is popularity isnt going anywhere, he is the biggest youtuber!
Im not a fan of the guy but i certanly dont wish him no wrong, i think he´s actually very smart despite the teenager acting he puts up( that he knows it works!)
And then you know how this is, yesterday news, forgoten in a week tops.
Im not a fan of the guy but i certanly dont wish him no wrong, i think he´s actually very smart despite the teenager acting he puts up( that he knows it works!)
And then you know how this is, yesterday news, forgoten in a week tops.
I suppose you're right. That being said, I never said it was a good joke, I'm just trying to explain my take on it and the mental association I make. If the only real difference is that Keemstar's been racist before and Bob Saget has never sexually assaulted anyone (we don't know that for sure do we
) then I think my comparison still holds up.
depths20XX
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I mean I could have come up with another example but I think you understand what I mean. Using an abhorrent example and applying it to someone doesn't make something spreading hate. It was a shitty joke at Keemstar he tried that was in bad taste. I don't know how many different ways I need to explain it.
I also didn't attempt to insult you...
No really you think it's ok to smear someone as a child killer is equally value neutral as "death to all jews". You don't need to explain anything.
Those two facts make the basis of the "jokes" completely different. One is an absurd outlandish farce, the other is...I don't even know what the right term would be. An evil statement, pretending to have humor?I suppose you're right. That being said, I never said it was a good joke, I'm just trying to explain my take on it and the mental association I make. If the only real difference is that Keemstar's been racist before and Bob Saget has never sexually assaulted anyone (we don't know that for sure do we
After some consideration I would say that his "joke" is an example of a very bad taste on two levels. The first level is the obvious anti-semitic aspect. But on top of it, this is a rich white man who makes fun of people from poorer countries who are willing to "do anything for a dollar".
yeah, but the message he paid the guys to write wasn't "keemstar thinks all jews should be killed" or "keemstar is a racist" (would have been a better way to go about it)
the message was "death to all jews". that's what he thought was funny. and ultimately even watched this thing back, edited it, and STILL didn't think to himself "you know what, this could offend a ton of people" he just posted it anyway.
depths20XX
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I don't even know what you're arguing at this point man. It was an example not an equivalents...
Do you honestly think that you making up a random, fake, outlandish accusation towards someone has the same force behind it as "death to all Jews?" Do you just not understand the strength of that phrase, the effect on history it has had, the millions that it has lead to their deaths? Is it really just nothing to you?
Is it hard for you to say "It offended me and it was tasteless" and move on?
You could have won the entire argument with that!
There are people who find this offensive, there are people who find this meh and doesn't care, there are people who are drama queens or drama searchers and go and bloat for views.
Messofanego
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But see, the intent! PDP isn't an actual anti-semite, so "death to all jews" shouldn't be taken so seriously. It's not like words have power or anything. "Death to all jews" isn't a hateful message when it's said by a person who doesn't hold such beliefs personally. You can't separate intent from the action. If you've got good intentions you're in the all clear!
Some people's logic here to defend PDP's stupidity is next level.
If there had been more 'drama queens' that put you in your place when you were "telling people to 'kill themselves'"maybe you wouldn't say that either.
It's those who look away who are enabling people to behave shittily towards others. :/
depths20XX
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He was attributing it to someone else as an insult. It wasn't he, himself, saying "death to all jews". How is that him spreading hate when he is clearly aware that it's a terrible thing to say? So much so that he ascribes it to someone else as a bad joke. What are we even arguing here?
I find his posts quite laughable.
Maybe he's making fun of people who actively do this, and capitalizing on the shock value it provides, like South Park.
Because when the joke is not funny and you and other people just say it, they will stop.
I even said all the time "the joke was shit" and I still stand that the joke was shit and tasteless. But still a joke that he shouldn't repeat, ever.
Again going for the iDubbbz vs Tana drama: If Tana would have told Ian that the joke he made at the meet and greet was tasteless and shit she could have won the entire argument, instead she went into an overblown reaction and incited more jokes and other stuff...
You want to stop a troll who uses edgy stuff?, then tell him he's not funny and he's tasteless and move on.
depths20XX
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It's late and you're right. I should stop.
His joke was tasteless, terrible, unfunny, and utter shit.
But that doesn't win the argument because the people on the other side of the debate want to know why. So people are explaining and discussing why.
Because words have meaning. "Death to all Jews" isn't just a random statement. It's a millennia old mantra that has sown hate and fear and death throughout history. Propagating it without the utmost skill, care, and reverence for the power of those words is a disgusting act.
It shouldn't be treated as a lazy shock meme or put on the same level as your random user-generated insult. It means more than that, and PDP fell shockingly short of the standard of respect and responsibility that should be expected of him, or anyone else.
The issue is PDP thinks he's at the idubbbz/filthyfrank level, when he's not, and his audience is very different. Like, other youtubers could get away with this shit relatively easily, but the fact that he is so popular means he should really be watching what he says or does. I mean. Not even really watching, jus don't say any of this stupid shit.
Watching h3 defend him in this is kind of infuriating too. Oh well!
Watching h3 defend him in this is kind of infuriating too. Oh well!
UziTheBeast
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You know, I always figured PDP fans were not that bright but now that they are defending him I'm glad to know I wasn't wrong.
The guy drives on controversy but went too far this time. He is the king of clickbait especially after his "I will close my account at 50mio" stunt.
The guy drives on controversy but went too far this time. He is the king of clickbait especially after his "I will close my account at 50mio" stunt.
Indecisive
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I'm confused by this. I've never really watched him, but I was under the impression his was a comedy channel. Are people really that upset about what is basically a comedian making jokes (regardless of quality) about taboo subjects like anti-Semitism?
I mean, there are dozens of shows on TV with much, much more objectionable content like Always Sunny or South Park that any kid can just turn on, and no one bats an eye.
I don't agree with the dude, and the content didn't look very funny, but this seems overblown. It's just a bad comedian making a bad joke. I think it's pretty obvious that he doesn't actually have anti-Semitic views. Comedy has always chased after taboo subjects, and this seemed very mild compared to much more popular and more widely accepted shows, both on and off YouTube.
I mean, there are dozens of shows on TV with much, much more objectionable content like Always Sunny or South Park that any kid can just turn on, and no one bats an eye.
I don't agree with the dude, and the content didn't look very funny, but this seems overblown. It's just a bad comedian making a bad joke. I think it's pretty obvious that he doesn't actually have anti-Semitic views. Comedy has always chased after taboo subjects, and this seemed very mild compared to much more popular and more widely accepted shows, both on and off YouTube.
UziTheBeast
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It's not a comedy channel. It's a grown up guy acting like a fool to be funny. You really can't compare his act with actual comedy shows or toons (which aren't a one man show) especially since it is YOUtube that made him famous (notice the YOU?). PDP is certainly not a comedian, he is himself and does everything for views.
I see people linking Mitchell and Webb "are we the baddies" video on twitter and this thread to defend joking about death to jews. Big difference is they came to the conclusion they were wrong and the viewer is also able to decipher that even if they have little knowledge of what nazis actually did. All this guy is doing is attempting shock value, in every instance where he made a "joke" it didn't result in anyone learning anything or him being critical of that edginess. I fully believe he isn't a bad person but damn if you couldn't see this coming from a mile away it makes me question his thought process.
If "Death to all Jews" is an "aimless message that wasn't spewing hate at the Jews", then I don't want to know what you consider hate speech.
Also, "Death to all Jews" isn't "a random message". "Spoonful of blue megabytes" is a random message. The phrase he chose has a very clear, very obvious aim that he knew about. That's exactly why he chose it.
But, hey. It's all a joke, right? For the lulz.
Jack The Nipper
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30 page thread? Dude won't be losing anything too soon it seems.
Not easy having a debate when people find humor to be objective and not subjective.
We're also making assumptions about PDP's demographic.
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