Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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I agree. Add to the fact that PDP actually started as nobody, poor with social and economic difficulties and never imagined he would blow up like he did. I suppose with personalities and celebrities, they are trained to tackle whatever pressure comes their way due to fame and money, but PDP just rose up exponentially and never had any experience of dealing with all the attention.
He just stop and take a long vacation for a while. Maybe that will do him good.
After witness Brexit and Trump winning the election, I wonder why I should empathize with people who is fine with anti-semitic joke just because the idol they worshiped make a mistake by with his gag.
Even PDP acknowledge he understand why others would be offended by it.
Dude... kinda stepped on your own point there...
There is nothing wrong with Disney dropping PewDiePie and its up to him whether he wants to change his comedy to a more family friendly style to keep those partners.
The only ones wrong are the people in this thread who actually think he's "racist", "anti-semetic", or a "nazi". The fact that people are so quick drop all reason and logic all because they don't enjoy someones content makes me sad. Context matters.
"Hitler did nothing wrong" can only be used as a joke if the person believes the opposite to be true.
The only ones wrong are the people in this thread who actually think he's "racist", "anti-semetic", or a "nazi". The fact that people are so quick drop all reason and logic all because they don't enjoy someones content makes me sad. Context matters.
"Hitler did nothing wrong" can only be used as a joke if the person believes the opposite to be true.
I always found his Jew jokes out of place, but then again he's had other bad jokes in the past revolving around rape and stuff.
Thing is, I think people are going too much into this. He's not a Nazi, and he's not an anti-semite. He's just got a very bad sense of humour, the type you'd avoid to bring with you anywhere publicly.
To me all this is just media clickbaiting and making a quick buck out of a public person's misstep.
Thing is, I think people are going too much into this. He's not a Nazi, and he's not an anti-semite. He's just got a very bad sense of humour, the type you'd avoid to bring with you anywhere publicly.
To me all this is just media clickbaiting and making a quick buck out of a public person's misstep.
If the dude wanted to make some Jewish/Hitler jokes he should have made up an over the top Borat style personality to deliver them. That way there's a clear delineation between what he actually believes and whats a joke. Otherwise dark humor thats funny to your friends/small audience that knows you could be rightfully misinterpreted when your audience is 50 mil +.
OverBlood 3
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Walt would be spinning in his grave...
The only thing that is wrong is that he is a spoke person for Disney. I dont see why YouTube has canceled his show. Why is there a so big difference between comedy. I don't like PewDiePie's content but why do Anthony Jeselnek get his own show on Netflix for things that are so much harder while some jokes that are taken out of context are worthy of a Wall Street Journal article, a fucking WSJ article.
Why do we have to take political correctness into comedy. H3H3 said it best: "people who're getting offended for people who 'aren't offended."This shit get me triggered!
Why do we have to take political correctness into comedy. H3H3 said it best: "people who're getting offended for people who 'aren't offended."This shit get me triggered!
A Link to the Past
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Are you alleging that no Jewish people took offense?
ChrisMahoney
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PewDiePie actually does have a persona. You can tell when he's talking seriously or joking
Haha, I didn't call him a True Artiste. Like someone else said in this thread, political correctness should have no place in comedy. He is playing a character most of the time, he has serious videos where he just talks and he's a completely different person.
I couldn't care much for him, he's always in a cycle for me, I like his content for a few months, then he's obnoxious for another few, then I like his content again.
Also, like South Park taught us, if it's been more than 50 years since a bad event happened, it has now become funny.
Hate speech was used to insult a person. Turning something like "Kill all jews" should not become a meme. Kill all jews is not a joke, nor is it funny. It is tastless.
Many who seem to be fighting for comedy seem to know little of it and compare things to people like Louis C.K.'s shocking humor despite the fact that Louis C.K. makes you uncomfortable for a reason and begins dissecting the issues and dives into the roots of things like racism and sexism with some of his material. He has a clear message by the end and a strong stance on which side he is on. PDP's level was that of a channer and it had no substance or thought of any kind.
It had nothing of value.
I don't see how that's got anything to do with anything.
Herr Schwarz
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Yeah, hilarious.
CortexVortex
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Great video from H3 on the situation. Could not agree more.
Fess
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Haven't read the whole thread and I slept through the history class in school, but what country may that be?
Of course i can't say that nobody took offense. But in the context of how he said it i don't see a problem with the joke. It's bad (for Disney) and i don't like how much the word "jew" has been used in comedy, but it can't be right for just somebody and not for others.
How has WSJ/Rolfe Winkler taken it out of context?
Millions of people have watched a January 11 video by YouTube's biggest star that included two men laughing as they held a banner that read, "Death to all Jews."
The man behind the video is Felix Kjellberg, a 27-year-old Swede known as "PewDiePie," who has amassed 53 million subscribers. His success has brought him multimillion-dollar deals from YouTube and Walt Disney, which owns a firm that runs Mr. Kjellberg's business.
Since August, PewDiePie has posted nine videos that include anti-Semitic jokes or Nazi imagery, according to a review of his channel by The Wall Street Journal.
On Monday after the Journal contacted Disney about the videos, the entertainment giant said it was severing ties with Mr Kjellberg, who as PewDiePie rose to prominence via clips of himself playing videogames or performing skits and making crude jokes.
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PewDiePie's account also took down three videos with a total of about 23 million views — the Jan. 11 video, and ones from Jan. 17 and Jan. 22 — after the Journal's inquiries. In the Jan. 22 video, Mr. Kjellberg showed a man dressed as Jesus Christ saying, "Hitler did absolutely nothing wrong."
Mr Kjellberg said in a video a few days later that the Jan. 11 clip was a joke that went too far. Alphabet's Google, which owns YouTube, pulled ads that run on its videos from the Jan. 11 video within days of its posting, before it was taken down this past weekend. YouTube hasn't pulled any of the nine videos in question, though PewDiePie's account took down three of them. Google hasn't removed ads from any of Mr. Kjellberg's other videos.
Mr Kjellberg didn't respond to requests for comment for this article. On Sunday, he wrote on Tumblr that he wanted "clear some things up," specifically that he doesn't support "any kind of hateful attitudes." Mr. Kjellberg wrote that he creates content for entertainment, not as political commentary, and understands "these jokes were ultimately offensive."
The videos illustrate the risk for companies such as YouTube and Disney that, eager to reach young audiences, make deals with talent who may push boundaries on what is acceptable within the company's standards or basis social norms. By distributing the content to a wide audience, companies are vulnerable to criticism when a user's words are deemed offensive. In Mr Kjellberg's case, a major neo-Nazi website has embraced his statements.
The video compilation WSJ has PDP reacting, explaining his shock that they'd "fiver guys" go through with it. What context did they remove?
They even asked him for comment and PDP demurred.
Finland.
A Link to the Past
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Well you cited a quote that talked about people "being offended for others" (which is going to be common for any minority - Civil Rights for instance was hugely elevated by white allies due to the fact that white people comprise such a high percentage of our population), so inherently I'm going to reply to that.
As for the other point, two wrongs do not make a right. If two people do wrong and only one is punished, it doesn't make it unfair that the punishment occurred.
excelsiorlef
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This statement just makes South Park look bad more than your point look good.
Captain Europe
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So you would never be a fan of a Swede because of things other Swedes did?
I really hate South Park but the answer is satire through their shock based humor to expose ridicule and criticize people and media.
South Park really pushes some boundaries for me though and can't stand much of the stuff they do.
PewDiePie failed at some of the lowbrow stuff that South Park gets away with.
Didn't see this edit until now. I wasn't fully aware of this bigger clash going on, only that I was noticing some internet trends that reminded me of channer level of jokes growing and it's been making me upset to see people make these kinds of jokes without any forethought or understanding. And they're just mimicked ad infinitum and kids pick it up and begin doing the same. It's horrible.
the_milkybar_kid
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Hasn't affected his subscriber base one jot so I'd be surprised if he even cares. I think he's just trying to find where the boundaries of what humour is acceptable and I can see what he's tried to do in the video but ultimately it's not funny. I mean the guy made his name on rape jokes and 'edgy' humour, right?
Fess
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You mean during the 16th-17th century or whatever when Sweden was huge? What has that got to do with anything or anyone related to Sweden today? No wait don't bother answering that, I'll go back a few pages and try to figure out what is happening here.
bring me a soda? I mean if you pass the fridge.
One is a TV show that has been around for a long time and has proven to have a large audience. It has game spin offs and movies.
The other is a YouTuber. Comparing apples and oranges are we?
But to humour you, yes there is a difference, South Parks crass comedy usually has a message, even though over the past few seasons there hasn't been that much preachyness.
Well, we are all entitled to an opinion aren't we? South Park has been dealing with flak from people for around 20 years now, I'm sure it isn't going to change.
Many Finnish seem to have a grudge against Sweden and the Swedish, I've lived in Finland for a couple of months and it was pretty clear. (I'm not Swedish).
ClosingADoor
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He has had over 6 years or so to adapt to that life.
He is dropped from getting premium ads which directly affects his income, and has his show dropped which is also impacting him. I doubt he is happy about this.
While actors/footballers/general celebrities have 20+ years to adapt to that life
In fact most young footballers don't make due to the psychological impact the limelight have on them
Ask Jack Grealish for instance
Yes the Swedish oppression of the Swedish people by the Swedish people starting in the 13th century. There was no Finland until the 19th century. Times were rough, but there was no difference in the plights or rights between a farmer living outside of Uppsala from that of a farmer living outside of Turku.
I see this particular attempt of historical revisionism pop up from time to time, it's just a another gross part of the nationalist movement, very popular with supporters of the True Finns party.
Carry on.
I see this particular attempt of historical revisionism pop up from time to time, it's just a another gross part of the nationalist movement, very popular with supporters of the True Finns party.
Carry on.
When it's regular as a clockword it's not a misstep. He has no excuse. It's systematic hateful speech, and if does that to Jews, he must be doing it to other minorities or ethnic group. And he's making millions out of it.
He's calling his german friend that helps him out a "Romanian". Often in connotations like, go do some work you romanian.
I am Romanian. I laugh everytime he says that. Why? Because I'm not butthurt and couldn't care less about stereotypes.
Prithee Be Careful
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Well, I never got the hype for Pewds (honestly, his stuff is just annoying) but having looked at everything he said and did in proper context, it's clear that the WSJ did a total hatchet job on him.
This is quote-mining at its level best and that so many people have been suckered in by it says alot about how easily society can be provoked into a knee-jerk response just on someone's say-so.
It reminds me of my early days of debating creationists on Youtube and how often people would quote-mine the living shit out of the On the Origin of Species to try and prove that Darwin was a eugenecist who didn't believe his own theories.
Moreover, if you shout Nazi and Fascist at everyone, it soon gets tot be that those words mean nothing in particuar. There's difference between someone who makes tactless jokes and someone who'd chase a jew off their property with a shotgun, but if we call them both the same thing, we loose the language to differentiate.
This is quote-mining at its level best and that so many people have been suckered in by it says alot about how easily society can be provoked into a knee-jerk response just on someone's say-so.
It reminds me of my early days of debating creationists on Youtube and how often people would quote-mine the living shit out of the On the Origin of Species to try and prove that Darwin was a eugenecist who didn't believe his own theories.
Moreover, if you shout Nazi and Fascist at everyone, it soon gets tot be that those words mean nothing in particuar. There's difference between someone who makes tactless jokes and someone who'd chase a jew off their property with a shotgun, but if we call them both the same thing, we loose the language to differentiate.
Though h3h3 does bring up the good point that the sensationalist media is taking things out of context, what he must realise is what PewDiePie did, even if it was a joke, was done in bad taste. Testing what people will do with a fiver doesn't have to resort to crude messages like "Death to all Jews". The silly Rog and Tyrone videos were based on a similar concept and mostly dealt with stupid anime arguments because the concept of these two men arguing via pre-written scripts was amusing.
Disney has an image to uphold and "Death to all Jews" isn't the kind of thing they want to be known for, even if done in jest. It doesn't make PDP an anti-Semite, but, what it does make him is, a celeb who can't get away with murder.
Disney has an image to uphold and "Death to all Jews" isn't the kind of thing they want to be known for, even if done in jest. It doesn't make PDP an anti-Semite, but, what it does make him is, a celeb who can't get away with murder.
Fess
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I know that from my Finnish work buddies reports but I doubt that it has to do with Sweden oppressing Finland during the 16th century. I know the Finnish-Swedish people have a hard time these days though, can get attacked/insulted openly just for talking the wrong language (Swedish). But is the origin of the hate from when Sweden ruled over Finland? Seems farfetched. Maybe it's simply because of how nationalism has become more popular? Unfortunately it happens in all scandinavian countries today, rasism is increasing over the whole region, a nationalistic politic party is even the third biggest in Sweden today and will most likely be even bigger after the next election because of how badly the immigrant/refugees situation has been handled. Everything is a mess. Not that it has anything to do with PDPs dumb joke though.
Comedy is a double edged sword, and even the edgiest comedians would admit this, and have fairly often. You can joke about pretty much anything, but you have to be prepared for the fallout if your joke bombs/isn't funny. At that point it just comes off as insulting and hateful, and you're left with something like this.
As another person pointed out, a Youtube personality is in the public eye way more than a movie star who takes awhile to make a movie and then has it come out and have a 2 hour run-time. The longer you are one, the higher the odds of you eventually slipping up, and again here we are.
NiiloPielinen
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This has been an issue long before any current rise of nationalism in EU.
It has it's roots in history among other things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Finns
Then there was the whole issue during 2nd world war when 400 000 refugees from Karelia area had to be re-settled and swedish speaking parts of Finland didn't want to take any of them.
And then there is the mandatory learning of swedish in school despite that only 5% of population are swedish speaking finns. And various quotas (% of applicants to university etc) that are reserved for them as well. It is a complicated issue.
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There is a whole new generations of young white people who are given an intellectual framework to make fun of and discriminate against Muslims and Arabs, and this happens because the media ignores or even encourages it. Largely propelled by the alt right, but also from the likes of Maher and Dawkins.
This same framework white people are wondering why is it okay to make jokes or mock Muslims and not other minorities? The same intellectual justifications are being used. When you open the door to making fun of certain minorities, Muslims, then it's tougher to close it on Jews. You can see it in how Leslie Jones was attacked on twitter for her looks. There's a chasm growing, and unless the root rot is addressed it won't get better.
The amount of people that will use the same intellectual justification and framework. Who knows, Pewdiepie might be one of them. Doesn't hate Jewish people in the traditional sense, but also feels he is entitled to mock them and be insensitive and intollerant, because it's just a joke.
Feel like this is an on going battle in the west.
formasymphonic
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You have to consider a lot of these things in a GTA context:
GTA's Lazlow era has been full of homophobic, misongyistic and racial jokes and stereotypes that are supposedly intended to be satirical takes on American culture/subcultures and beliefs.
These in themselves aren't a problem. The problem is that a large portion of the audience doesn't get that these are meant to be satirical and take them at face value or otherwise absorb the content in a way that doesn't take the message as intended.
In the same way, PDP might think he is making fun of people who hold those types of views - but for a number of people him spreading messages of "Hitler did nothing wrong" is not being received with the satire as intended.
This is especially true for teens and children who make up a huge part of his audience. If he doesn't get this (and it's clear from his "is it really racist if it's a joke" response, he doesn't), then perhaps he wasn't really ready for the huge Disney and YouTube deals he had in the first place
GTA's Lazlow era has been full of homophobic, misongyistic and racial jokes and stereotypes that are supposedly intended to be satirical takes on American culture/subcultures and beliefs.
These in themselves aren't a problem. The problem is that a large portion of the audience doesn't get that these are meant to be satirical and take them at face value or otherwise absorb the content in a way that doesn't take the message as intended.
In the same way, PDP might think he is making fun of people who hold those types of views - but for a number of people him spreading messages of "Hitler did nothing wrong" is not being received with the satire as intended.
This is especially true for teens and children who make up a huge part of his audience. If he doesn't get this (and it's clear from his "is it really racist if it's a joke" response, he doesn't), then perhaps he wasn't really ready for the huge Disney and YouTube deals he had in the first place
I appreciate the thoughtful response. Ideally we could label specific behaviors of his anti-semitic without saying anti-semitism is part of his essential character. But people are very, very bad at maintaining this distinction when it comes to strangers on the internet, as this thread attests. Heck, I screwed it up in my first post, which you rightfully called me out on.
But it is very frustrating for me to see so many posters seemingly take it as a given that either a) stupid jokes have no consequences, or b) people are not morally responsible for the consequences of their stupid jokes.
Damn can I just quote this over and over and over.
SaniOYOYOY
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probably get swallowed a couple pages ago. and CIMMW that jew joke actually intended for kemstar as what said in h3h3 vids? can someone give explanation on keemstar and pdp
GiantBreadbug
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Excellent post that says everything I feel about this much more succinctly that I could've. Thank you.
Airola
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I bet no-one has any grudge against Sweden what comes to some historical oppression.
If there is some grudge it's mostly about ice hockey or people being forced to learn Swedish in their teen years at school (and that's purely out of laziness - or at least it was for me and my friends as we just didn't want to do the work to learn a new language).
Finnish people used to joke that "all Swedes are gay" and I still have no idea where that came from. It was some sort of a "meme" decades ago.
(EDIT: and it was usually used during some ice hockey tournaments or other sports events to mock the opponent - not by the athletes but by the viewers among themselves in jokingly manner)
Finnish people don't really care if their entertainment comes from Sweden or anywhere else. Swedish pop music has been amazingly popular in Finland for ages now. I personally am a huge fan of Army of Lovers.
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