NYT: Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

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Now watching CNN and the diversions (investigate to get the leakers!) and damage control by GOP members are mindboggling, lol. Except for Lindsey Graham that is.

No surprise but Michael Moore is giving Trump one day to leave the White House and otherwise wants an impeachment.

There can't be ANY way that Trump will be president the full four years when you have made the intelligence and the press your enemies. CNN is going full nuclear right now.
 
Offtopic but since I have CNN on: This Texas rep just said investigating into Trump's tax returns would be an abuse of power. What. Someone should tell him POTUS is a public figure maybe.
 
Amalthea said:
I hope Trump will now try to act though on Russia just to save face wich in turn makes him a nuisance to the Kremlin and they leak the tape to get him out of the way.
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I often read about references to "a tape". Was there an actual rumor or is this just some kind of meme?
 
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How about you working for another country?
 
RionaaM said:
I know that's what he's saying, but it makes no sense. If it's real, how can it be a conspiracy? They are simply reporting facts.
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Trump doesn't recognize facts that go against him.
Did we not already reach this conclusion when he argued that he had the largest inauguration crowd ever in the face of visual evidence that proved the contrary?

Even if you know and I know that the information being released is factual and has a basis in reality, Trump does not recognize them and considers them to be fueling conspiracy theories against him if they don't reinforce his flawed beliefs and those of the alt-right media influences that have poisoned his worldview.

If Trump was a normal person, this WOULD make no sense. You're absolutely right about that.
The problem is Trump is INSANE. Hence his argument makes perfect sense. To him, anyway.
He lives in a world where he is the star of the reality show known as the U.S. presidency and he is never ever wrong and, most assuredly, not a puppet.
 
hobblygobbly said:
Not sure about the U.S but Canada is training and arming Ukraine. This VICE video from 4 or so months ago in the beginning talks about it.
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I remember that there was worry that if US started to help Ukraine it could be seen as offensive by Russians resulting in escalation which could spiral out of hand. I'm disappointed in EU in sense that they aren't really willing to put material into play, no need to send men but throw few tanks in their way?

As Finn I'm not very thrilled about what Putin is doing in Ukraine - Poland - Belarus region and how relatively freely he gets to fuck around. Semi afraid sooner than later he will start fucking with us too.
 
Guy.brush said:
Man I know the world is normally more complex than that, and easy explanations often are conspiracy territory, but if this all checks out, that is basically a giant "Die Hard" money heist playing out on a global stage.
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Rachel Maddow has been doing segments about this — and about Exxon's U.S.-oppositional foreign policy in general — for months now.
 
Even more depressing than this news is all the delusional people that actually think this will get him impeached.

This won't even be investigated by congress.
 
sturgboski said:
But the FBI did to get him elected. As did Russia.

When are the GOP going to grow a spine and put country over party?
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GOP only cares about money so I'm guessing that will happen when major donors start making threats and pulling out their support?
Hopefully none of their big donors are OK with kissing up to Putin.....
 
gamechanger87 said:
His point is what if the IC released transcripts of Obamas administrations intercepted phone calls. Would the crowd here still be the same?

The IC is essentially releasing tapped calls to the media to undermine the administration. For all the people cheering this, just wait until the script flips and Trump has the IC release tapped calls from all existing US democratic senators. Not sure if the response here would be the same.
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Other people have pointed it out to you but your statement is so ridiculous I figure I may as well too. If democrats are doing even half the stuff Trump is then of course it deserves to be made public, but I can almost guarantee they're not.
 
jiiikoo said:
And didn't the US give weapons to Ukraine? Not sure if I remember this correctly.
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Just a bunch of unarmed humvees, anti-artillery mini radars & useless surveillance mini drones.

Lonewulfeus said:
He's not right at all, after the annexation of Crimea many countries including the US introduced new economic sanctions against Russia which contributed heavily to the crash of the Ruble in 2014. How is that going light because we didn't put boots on the ground?
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The key words are "after the annexation". Had he not been frantically looking for rapprochement with Russia & had he not caved against Putin in Syria, then the annexation may never have happened. There's a metric ton of articles and op-eds on it.
During the Obama administration Putin (or his buddy Medvedev) proved numerous times that they are no partners but adversaries.
The rubble crash was due to the oil price crash, they basically correlate:

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After the annexation, the reaction came too slow and was too weak which emboldened Putin to venture into parts of Eastern Ukraine. But from there on, Obama had to coordinate with European states. In which some politicians love Putin's oily cock. So from there on, only lacking military assistance could be pinned on Obama.

Zaph said:
I don't think Obama and the EU were too soft on Russia - the combination of oil prices and sanctions mean they're bleeding hard - 2017 is going to be a very difficult year for them. And we weren't exactly going to go to war over Crimea.

Buying into Putin's bravado is exactly what he wants as it makes him look like an untouchable superpower.
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See above.
 
DrForester said:
Even more depressing than this news is all the delusional people that actually think this will get him impeached.

This won't even be investigated by congress.
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It's a step in the right direction. We are way past the point of no return. Impeachment is guaranteed. Might not be today, but it will be soon.
 
jiiikoo said:
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How about you working for another country?
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Oh my god he's been edging himself for almost two years now. His pants are gonna look like he was trudging through Oroville when he's put behind bars.

You don't make enemies of the intelligence community. Unless you want to cum really hard, apparently.
 
So let me get this straight. The President is now fighting with the American intelligence community...over Twitter? Normally, you'd see the pressure start to impact people closer to the bottom first, cause they know they can get sold out easily. But it's going right to the top. If this is true, people below him must be freaking out because he doesn't seem stable

We're so close to getting this but in Twitter form, I swear. The crime isn't what gets people caught, it's the coverup.
 
People who are being defeatists need to look at this like trying to stop a train. It doesn't stop dead when you hit the brakes, it keeps moving becaus of all the weight and momentum behind it. But it does slow. Soemtimes it takes a mile or two, but eventually it will be stopped.
 
KernelPanic said:
GOP only cares about money so I'm guessing that will happen when major donors start making threats and pulling out their support?
Hopefully none of their big donors are OK with kissing up to Putin.....
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Hate to break it to you but a lot of their big donors don't care either way about Putin so long as it makes them a little extra cash.
 
What did people expect the EU and US to do about Ukraine, you do know it's next to Russia?

Sending in troops to the border of Russia, isn't that like WWIII?
 
HotHamBoy said:
People who are being defeatists need to look at this like trying to stop a train. It doesn't stop dead when you hit the brakes, it keeps moving becaus of all the weight and momentum behind it. But it does slow. Soemtimes it takes a mile or two, but eventually it will be stopped.
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Is the train a metaphor for Trump's expected tenure as president or a metaphor for the leaks against him?
 
BeforeU said:
I mean you could have just clicked on his tweeter feed. Would have saved you time
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Haha. You're totally right. Off-the-hook lazy today.

Flips360 said:
GMT+1 :)
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Cheers mang

ekim said:
It shows the date in the timezone of the viewer. What you quoted was a screenshot and not an embedded tweet.
-->https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831846101179314177
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Yeah I forgot that checking Twitter itself is thing that a) exists and b) takes very little time
 
Guy.brush said:
Man I know the world is normally more complex than that, and easy explanations often are conspiracy territory, but if this all checks out, that is basically a giant "Die Hard" money heist playing out on a global stage.
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Swass said:
Saw this on reddit about the repeal of Dodd-frank that happened today:

http://www.vox.com/2017/2/14/14617312/trump-transparency-oil

This is what Trump and Putin are up to: Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 to lease over 60 million acres of Russian land to pump oil out of (which is five times as much land as they lease in this country), but all that Russian oil would go through pipelines in the Ukraine, who heavily tax the proceeds, and Ukraine was applying for admission into NATO at the time. Putin subsequently invaded Ukraine in 2014, secured the routes to export the oil tax-free by sea, and took control of the port where their Black Sea Naval Fleet is based, by taking the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine by force. This was Hitler style imperialism that broke every international law in the free world. After Obama sanctioned Russia for the invasion, Exxon Mobil could only pump oil from approximately 3 of those 60+ million acres. But now Rex Tillerson is soon to be our Secretary of State, and as of today, there’s information circulating that Donald Trump will likely unilaterally remove all sanctions against Russia in the coming days or weeks. The Russian government’s oil company, Rosneft, will make half a trillion (500 Billion) dollars from that much untapped oil, all pumped tax-free through Crimea, stolen from Ukraine, now owned by Russia. Putin may have subverted our government just for this deal to go through.
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The quoted is from reddit user Nikon_Justus, so take with a grain of salt but the following kind of collaborates with it:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/...-billions-at-stake-over-russia-sanctions.html
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This also aligns perfectly with climate denial perpetrated by the Trump administration - hamper scientists and renewable energy to strengthen oil prices/increase our need for oil. It's almost too obvious.
 
gamechanger87 said:
His point is what if the IC released transcripts of Obamas administrations intercepted phone calls. Would the crowd here still be the same?

The IC is essentially releasing tapped calls to the media to undermine the administration. For all the people cheering this, just wait until the script flips and Trump has the IC release tapped calls from all existing US democratic senators. Not sure if the response here would be the same.
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If the Democrats had anything more salacious than the catty DNC email leak stuff, we would have had it dumped in our laps by now.

Those were deliberately released during election season by a foreign entity (whether or not they were influenced by the Kremlin) with the express purpose of swaying the election. Even with all of the hype, there was no smoking gun outside of some of the DNC chairs expressing a preference for Hillary.

If members of Obama's administration were involved in downright illegal, undisclosed conflicts of interest with other nations, or giving an open microphone to national security policy and secrets to foreign agents, you're damn right the public would have a right to know.
 
jelly said:
What did people expect the EU and US to do about Ukraine, you do know it's next to Russia?

Sending in troops to the border of Russia, isn't that like WWIII?
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It's what Putin partly trusts on. Throwing weight of Russia around in hopes that EU / US / NATO are too afraid to intervene because it could escalate things rapidly. Question becomes "How far is too far?" Should we step in when Russia is at France border?
 
DrForester said:
Even more depressing than this news is all the delusional people that actually think this will get him impeached.

This won't even be investigated by congress.
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Probably, unless irrefutable hard evidence is released to the press the earliest Trump could be impeached is two years from now if the Democrats take back the House. The GOP won't take him down unless there's no other option.
 
Kephar said:
Hate to break it to you but a lot of their big donors don't care either way about Putin so long as it makes them a little extra cash.
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Well then that's kind of the root cause of the problem isn't it?

Everyone talks about country over party, it's really about country over money for the people in charge.
 
I feel like despite this Trump will dismiss this as fake news and ignore it, the only way I can see him being investigated and arrested would be if a video leaks of him getting a golden shower from a prostitute whilst Vladamir Putin watches
 
Unfortunately we are not going get hard evidence that trumps administration asked the Russians to influence the election BUT the question begs..... what exactly were his aids telling the Russians that caused them to so aggressively influence the United States election.
 
jelly said:
What did people expect the EU and US to do about Ukraine, you do know it's next to Russia?

Sending in troops to the border of Russia, isn't that like WWIII?
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That's what the sanctions are for. DT all of a sudden trying to play the waaaaaaay to obvious "See! I'm hard for on Russia" card isn't based on anything but grandstanding and trying to save face without actually thinking through actual actions.
 
Tovarisc said:
It's what Putin partly trusts on. Throwing weight of Russia around in hopes that EU / US / NATO are too afraid to intervene because it could escalate things rapidly. Question becomes "How far is too far?" Should we step in when Russia is at France border?
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I think neighbouring countries you can't be reckless but not weak either. Russia overstepped but I think if they tried take a whole country, full force from the US, EU, Nato would be shown even if it was bordering on Russia.
 
Crazy times. Seeing elements of the deep state working hand in hand with the media and the political establishment, basically in open warfare against the US presidency. It's like a movie. With a far fetched plot.

I know people are loving it because their interests align and they hate Trump, but stepping outside of that for a moment, the phenomenon on display here is kind of awesome and frightening.

It's moving at such an accelerated pace you'd be forgiven for thinking they're trying to make the US ungovernable. What is the end goal here. Impeachment? All this Russia stuff so far is based on the appearance of impropriety, not actual impropriety, from what I can tell. Maybe they're trying to cow Trump and his admin into submission so they start playing ball fully. Who knows.
 
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