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Or maybe people are more okay with this type of behavior compared to the how of behavior that proudly states "death to Jews"?
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Or maybe people are more okay with this type of behavior compared to the how of behavior that proudly states "death to Jews"?
Gravy Boat
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Again, where did I say I was ok with anything? It's so hard to have a discussion on Gaf sometimes because people constantly twist what you said.
I've said people are within their rights to call him out and that it was a stupid thing to do, but ultimately he wasn't trying to spread the message that he thinks all Jews should be killed and that the reaction is disproportionate. Somehow that means I'm totally on board with him being homophobic? I believe he can say whatever he wants but that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says.
Relaxed Muscle
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It is, it was and will always be. Content creators plays big roles into normalizing sexism, racism and many other bad things.
Is their responsability to be better than doing vapid jokes about the holocaust, specially when you become a role model for young people.
CrimsonGun
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Ah you're one of those "classical liberals" that are basically libertarians. I don't get why this new Dave Rubin following is trying to hijack the modern term of liberal so much. Just get over it.
Do you think the reception of messages in media lives and dies by what the author meant?
Pathfinder
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Yup. I've only just kind of browsed through what I missed overnight.
Reality is my receipt. Why are dubious personalities like Milo gaining traction and constant exposure, even mainstream exposure, check the comments and see the dozens of disillusioned young people. This is what's happening in the world and it's a complex and multi faceted issue but a backlash against the constant noise is a part of it.
I didn't say that the people who were outraged were the only ones who are self righteous, I'm just saying that just like the very same people who are constantly outraged and generalize/demonize groups of people will in turn be generalized/demonized by the other side and be perceived as such by many, everything becomes a clusterfuck. I didn't decide anything, I simply exposed myself to all kinds of positions and voices and this is what I see, feel free to disagree, just my two cents.
The merry-go-round of noise/misinformation/confusion will keep spinning and no matter how little impact of this story may have, it certainly won't help put a stop to it.
Iorv3th
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Because he's under the Disney brand sure. But all content on youtube reaches children, it could be said about anything on there.
Indeed, lock it up..!
When has PewDiePie ever been seen as clean cut and family friendly?
ScatheZombie
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I've always wanted to be the token "speaks for everyone in his/her race/gender/ethnicity/historic relevance"! It's my time to shine.
Half of my family were Polish immigrants who fled the Nazis and were forced to change their name. A name I still have today that's not my actual heritage.
This is not a big deal. Out of the two big examples, in one he is mocking how the media will take anything out of context to make you look like a racist (oh, the fucking irony there). And the other he is pointing out another Youtuber who is an actual anti-Semitic racist.
He's just dumb.
Except the part where his content in particular is the most popular with children. It's his core audience. Say in comparison to something like Giant Bomb, where the core audience is closer to their 20's. There is a difference.
Yes, any kid can watch any video on the internet. This changes nothing.
He's absolutely 100 percent free to produce whatever the hell content he wants and disregard how he may be influencing younger minds with anti-semitism memes. But companies like Disney and YouTube are also 100 percent free to choose not to back it.
Pewdie was incredibly stupid and irresponsible, and is now experiencing the fallout of his decision. It's pretty simple.
You're fine with anti-semitism becoming a popular meme?
I mean if it doesn't bother you I guess that's certainly your prerogative.
ScatheZombie
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1) It already is. And has been.
2) I don't think he did that.
3) Donald Trump is President.
4) Mel Gibson is nominated for an Academy Award.
If you're a rich white dude, sure. I wouldn't recommend minorities start playing around with these kinda statements in joke videos.
Hello? This is Hailun!
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In Portugal we suffered through a quazi fascist dictatorship under Salazar. One my uncles was arrested for speaking against the state. You know what? I don't give a flying fuck if people make a joke about PIDE(the police who prosecuted and in many cases tortured people who exercised free speech against the state or any sort of opposition) or make a joke using Salazar himself. People empower words, the words themselves have no power and it's better to make true bigots and racists look ridiculous and dumb by trivializing their message as a complete joke, by not giving them any attention or time of the day. You give power to these people with constant outrage at everything they say by giving them a lot of exposure and an audience to address. I long for the day people will discard the race argument entirely and start judging others purely as individuals.
Laughing at "DEATH TO JEWS" is not furthering the anti-semitism meme?
I do think considering the current climate, with the rise of the alt-right, and emboldening racists/bigots, it makes this a lot more irresponsible than it would have been otherwise. Yes Donald Trump is president and is why this shit needs to be addressed.
You mean like shows like South Park which has had it almost since the start with Cartman being a character that literally idolizes Hitler?
ScatheZombie
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That was actually kind of my point and I actually agree that you can get away with a racey or offensive part of a joke if it is part of something larger and funnier. I actually mentioned Jim Jeffries has an entire bit in one of his stand up routines about getting caught saying one really offensive thing taken out of his bit even if all the stuff around it makes sense, I believe he used,"God hates fags" as his example.
That all said, I find a lot of arguments end up being,"There is context for what he says, leave him alone!" and this is true. Some of the things he's being called out for are being taken out of context but the issue is that many of them are still in incredibly poor taste, offensive, and not very funny in the first place. The social and political climate today is a hot one and people are not prone to taking even stupid racist jokes rather seriously considering all the fucked up shit that minorities of all kinds have to put up with on a daily basis.
Something having context doesn't mean its suddenly immune or free from criticism and having context doesn't mean its all fine and dandy either.
This is a very similar argument made by people who suggest the N word is not that bad to say. I just don't see it.
Bl@de
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Because accusations like this are totally fine on NeoGAF. Sadly.
Fuck off with your noise tbh.
Milo got famous thanks to GamerGate. Not many even knew about him before then. He joined a hate group of incompetent gamers who have no comprehension skills about an article that was praising gaming. They read the cliched "___ are dead" title and nothing else. He harassed endlessly until his eventual ban.
He was raised up to his infamy status by GGers and alt-righters just because people were trying to defend themselves and live a normal life, instead they were pushed out of house and home by him, GGers, alt-righters through doxxing, endless harassment and death threats. you don't just block that out, it's impossible because it's all bombarded at you and planned out. They sick their followers on you the moment you say a something. There are industry people I follow on Twitter who now no longer are on Twitter out of fear and Twitter's unwillingness to any damn thing about their harassment problem.
So don't you fucking dare say that both sides are the problem here after all that. He's still outing trans students and so many more. Anyone offering him a platform they are complicit in what he does. He is not deserving of a place in which to speak because it's all hate and lies. He should be called out at every chance.
Cartman's entire character is centered around being a piece of shit. So I guess Pewdie is just a piece of shit? (I don't actually think that).
Also South Park was a TV MA late night show on Comedy Central which had warning text at the beginning. Yes kids watched it, but it was targeted at adults and children were not the core demographic watching the show.
That said, I've grown to be put off by South Park's idea of comedy over the past couple of years.
VeteranGamer
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and then you have this guy who again, just doesnt get it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4
its about the people (kids) who watch pewdipie and dont get the JOKE and take it as real. Pewdipie has a responsibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4
its about the people (kids) who watch pewdipie and dont get the JOKE and take it as real. Pewdipie has a responsibility
Darth Ghandi
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Done in bad taste and the dude deserves every this.
Fata1moose
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Give Videogamedunkey all of his resources.
John Wick
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He's probably got enough in the bank for a whole life time. Don't think dude needs to worry financially. Also I'm sure he could make $50,000 a year to live on
Yeah I have to agree that outing the student was a pretty shit thing to do and should have had consequences but I'm sorry if you're so blind in your bubble that you don't see how liberals(maybe it's wrong to call the people who Im referring to as liberals since by definition liberals should be tolerant and open to ideas) are damaging themselves in many ways and how there's a lot to be done to win people over and to effectively communicate and spread good ideology without coming across as controlling, the thought police or hysterical. Bernie Sanders was a step in the right direction and a complete wasted opportunity for the Americans.
No. PewDiePie isn't responsible for your kid. Get your parenting together and don't blame your shortcomings on a YouTube persona.
That is a low blow.
I agree wholeheartedly. Probably the most offensive set I laughed at was Louis CK's bit about pedophilia that easily comes across as normalizing or explaining away the behavior. It took me awhile to wonder why- outside of his delivery and word choice- that I wasn't offended by it. I concluded it's only the comparison he makes with himself, where he claims that as much as be loves Mallowbars he still wouldn't risk eating then if that were inherently immoral and thus illegal, that saves this bit from being a dumpster fire of controversy, because the point is made that he could easily make the moral decision, which in turn goes on to implicate pedophiles as immoral. It's an absolute masterclass to me.
Pewds ain't on that level though. He's a douche who carelessly goes for low-hanging fruit without any display or understanding of how to navigate through the weeds that sprout up from inherently crossing the line. And he's apparently crossed the line eight other times than the main offending situation. At some point, you have to conclude a lack of character. Or stupidity.
ScatheZombie
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That's not the whole statement, though.
And the other two examples are more about the level of outrage I'm willing to throw at some dumbfuck on Youtube being dumb compared to the rest of the terrifying reality we exist in.
ClosingADoor
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You literally said "The actual message doesn't matter, he just chose something that would be shocking to see". I'm not twisting words here. I just disagree with that statement and wonder if you would have a line somewhere were you would think it is a hate message then.
This "dumbfuck" is a major celebrity watched by millions, that is why there is outrage. He has a major reach with his videos, so people take notice.
TwilightPrincess
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His jewish friend was not offended and thinks this is a smear campaign taken out of context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLNSiFrS3n4
I really don't give two fucks if it was meant for Keemstar.
Yes we have a lot of awful shit to deal with right now in this world, with a tyrant as president, but that doesn't mean we just drop our guard on day to day going-ons. Small things are important in the bigger (bigly) collective picture.
Oh yeah, there are plenty hurting their causes, but the idea of calling out anti-semitism is just noise is stupid.
Some of his best friends are Jewish.
pawelranger
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Because polish are not jews. You can trash talk and joke about polish and russians even thought they had suffered a lot more deceases than jews in WW2 and not to mention during the cold war.
The fact is that there is a Zionism domination nowadays, in media, politics (Trump is pro-zionist), and pretty much else.
As the other guy said in his post, "they were polish who were anti semetist", yes, there were also bad jew people before WW2 just like nowadays. Obviously Holocaust was the worst thing in earth in WW2, and there is no justification of what nazis made, and neither you cant generalize people by their, race, religion or country. But you cant deny the fact that is hypocritical to ban people for making jews jokes but you can make jokes about everything else (muslims, christians, asians, afroamericans, indians, poles, irish, etc...).
Gotdatmoney
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You really think if Liberals didn't argue amoung themselves Milo wouldn't be popular? You really think his supporters are people who were once left wing but a pointless controversy like Pew's flipped them? Yeah that is ridiculous. Provide actual proof not anecdotes.
Are you new to politics? Because this is literal nothing new. The only thing that has changed is the internet has changed content delivery. But 2 sides demonizing each other is literally nothing revolutionary.
I just want an actual sub set of proof, not this hand waving fallacy literally based on feelings and anecdotes.
What are you actually arguing here?
A smear campaign started by his sponsers.
Nobody has taken any actions besides YT and Disney.
If you want to lay blame on somebody, blame the corporations who thought he did something stupid and deserved to be dropped.
This was not anti-semitism, it was a poor taste joke at worst.
DarkConfidant
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Beat me to it.
I get that shit all the time from white people telling me that their one black friend thought they were funny.
wondermega
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2 things..
1. That Flappy Bird video is legitimately funny and got some chuckles out of me. 100% cannot stand this guy otherwise.
2. I've not seen the vids in question but if the guy's ouvre regularly included jokes about rape and such, then I dunno what Disney and YouTube etc were honestly expecting out of him, this is just the chickens coming home to roost. If he brokered a deal where he had complete creative control over what he could say and do, given his history this isn't out of line (taste notwithstanding of course).
One person who's his friend wasn't offended.
Of course someone who is his actual friend wouldn't be offended, because that person has the benefit of knowing what Pewdie's personal beliefs are. If we're going to keep throwing up the word "CONTEXT", that very much applies here.
Also smear campaign by who? Most of us agree he is just stupid and he is paying the price.
davepoobond
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looks pretty bad on Google/Disney for not vetting this guy
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