InsaneTiger
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There was an argument on another site that Sony shouldn't keep it's own studios from only making games on the PS4.
Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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There was an argument on another site that Sony shouldn't keep it's own studios from only making games on the PS4.
Nightengale
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See my ROTR timeline above.
KimonoNoNo
Member
No it was never officially announced as multi. Tomb Raider was revealed with a trailer in the Xbox E3 press conference and everybody just assumed it'll be coming as to Ps4 as well. The stink happened later at Gamescom.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Another site? I feel like that Probably got a thread here at some point
We're talking about companies position not a mistake made by a small guy. Nier was announced for PC way long before release. It's a shitty move from Sony to prevent them from talking about the PC release date in exchange for marketing ect... but to compare it to tomb raider situation is unreasonable.
Yep. It's really not that hard. If they don't tell you it's exclusive then it's not.
There's nothing to decipher.
Nightengale
Member
Yeah, ROTR was never announced multiplat. The deal wasn't the problem, the stink was the obscufaction.
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
To my knowledge they don't downright lie about exclusivity like Microsoft does time and time again. They are always upfront with First on PS4 or console exclusives. On rare occasion an exclusive sticker will be wrong but even then it's usually corrected and never a big deal. It's also not their job to disclose a game coming to other systems
LMFAO
But seriously though, Rise of the Tomb Raider was announced & then later on the Xbox exclusivity came about. Had they said something the moment it was announced, it wouldn't have been a big deal.
And when did the timed exclusive come with Crash? I missed that.
There is a difference between not mentioning other consoles and actively paying publishers so they don't mention it coming out on other consoles/platforms.
Nightmare452
Member
Wait, Crash and FF7Re are not Sony exclusive but timed ones. When was this discovered. To my understanding Sony (and Sonygaf) was praising to the heavens they were exclusives to PS4 (or PS5 by the looks of the later). I guess very bad messaging indeed. I just read as early as yesterday that Crash was exclusive by a Sony Europe account or something.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I really don't see how the blame is on Sony or MS
If anything the blame should be on the pubs .
If they did not take the marketing money or what ever else we would not have this problem .
It has the PS only label in three EU.
TalentAlwaysWins
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No one praising anything they just weren't surprised if they turned out exclusive. Also FF7 was always announced as First on PS4. No other platform has been discussed or alluded to at all yet though.
Blackleg-sanji1
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How much did they pay
SomedayTheFire
Member
Nier was announced as PS4/PC. I would wager the release date "fiasco" is more on the publisher than Sony. Nioh is a weird one because it's published by Sony, but not in Japan. The IP still rests with the Tecmo presumably. If it's not a Playstation exclusive, word will probably come out through Tecmo eventually.
Crash is a mess. It wasn't announced as exclusive, just "exclusively releasing" and then the Playstation Ireland twitter sent out the wrong thing.
Crash is a mess. It wasn't announced as exclusive, just "exclusively releasing" and then the Playstation Ireland twitter sent out the wrong thing.
TalentAlwaysWins
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Do you know how much they allegedly pay for publishers to keep hush hush?
Poimandres
Member
Tekken and Ace Combat are still months from release though so hard to get too upset about these ones.
I do agree that Sony can intentionally obfuscate the truth when it comes to these sorts of deals.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That's exactly what the problem was with RotTR. It wasn't anything to do with messaging.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I can't speak for Crash but everyone should know that FFVIIR part one is timed exclusive .
Also side note i don't put much stock in what the smaller countries say about games.
TalentAlwaysWins
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No they don't because it's not their job to do so. You will never hear one of the big 3 say something is coming for another platform.
LordBaztion
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Crash is a timed exclusive?
I thought the contrary
PlayStation Ireland confirms Crash Bandicoot Trilogy is PS4 Exclusive
I thought the contrary
PlayStation Ireland confirms Crash Bandicoot Trilogy is PS4 Exclusive
LukasTaves
Member
Even if it was later announced to other platforms it wasn't announced right away, it means hype and mindshare goes only to playstation. Specially since the announcement of the other versions were way minor events.
For crash for instance it's not even an event it's a fucking twitter that has way less impact than appearing at the Sony's E3 press conference.
Before the launch of the ps4 and xbone cboat was spreading bullshit on how ms was paying publishers to not mention the ps4 version of multiplat games. Everyone preemptively jumped to shit on them when Pvz GW and others were announced only for Xbone at the time, because it was our duty as consumers to stop companies from doing such anti consumer practices, and they turned out to be real timed exclusives, but when it was confirmed that Sony was actually doing that with diablo 3 everyone just let it go. And that's why Sony keeps doing it.
I think the first ff7re trailer clearly states : first on ps4
For Crash, a lot of people assumed it was going to be exclusive because reasons, including a guy handling a Playstation account in Ireland. He said it was exclusive yesterday to someone asking him and it was quickly removed. The twitter account (or the same guy if he still has the job) made a mea culpa through a statement explicitely stating it was timed.
Blackleg-sanji1
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The entire reason this thread Probably exists right now is because that dude made a mistake.
Estocolmo
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It happened with Firewatch and The Witness as well. It was shown on Sony E3 and it wasn't known to be multi-console 6 months after the game released on PS4/PC.
I only game on Xbox One so it annoys me when these games are actually time exclusive but not known 6-12 months after the game is released. Yes MS does time exclusives aswell but atleast we are told that Rise of the Tomb Raider and Dead Rising 4 are time exclusive before the games are released.
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Please let me know who is delivering
Enough to make it a attractive option. How much would depend on each publisher and game.
AHA-Lambda
Member
I really want a jimquisition episode on this :/
MS get called out for it all the time, but Sony get barely a piece of criticism
MS get called out for it all the time, but Sony get barely a piece of criticism
Also "only on playstation" labels mean nothing, lots of games that had those labels are now on PC.
Then stuff like the Nier release date fiasco is just complete chaos and the only thing that could explain Square's actions would be a weird deal with sony, but be free to call me a conspiracy theorist just like any other sony money hat or other marketing deal is a conspiracy theory.
Then stuff like the Nier release date fiasco is just complete chaos and the only thing that could explain Square's actions would be a weird deal with sony, but be free to call me a conspiracy theorist just like any other sony money hat or other marketing deal is a conspiracy theory.
protomouse
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How should he/she know? But it's fair to assume that publishers aren't going to do charity work for Sony. Most of what is happening with e.g. Nier is to Sony's advantage. A marketing deal typically means a deal where other platforms are not to be advertised - neither by the publisher nor the other platform holders.
That's where stuff like this comes from:
The mental gymnastics in this thread will be fun to watch.
Nightengale
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Sony Exec A: "So, I heard that this Jim Sterling guy is starting to sniff into our exclusivity messaging! Started asking questions around!"
Sony Exec B: "Shit, what do we do!?"
Andrew House: "Put a Life of Black Tiger trailer on our YouTube channel."
So now Jim Sterling is distracted and is wasting a lot of time looking into Life of Black Tiger.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I agree continue
This is about to turn into a full on console war thread soon enough
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Thank you for starting
Nightmare452
Member
This is also very true. MS still gets BS here from the 360 CoD 3-month early maps, the XB1 reveal, and the RotTR announcement. All were bad, yes, but they get stretched out for every criticism juice there is; no forgiveness, no mercy. Meanwhile, Sony has the Destiny 1-freaking year dlc exclusive (even 2 years of exclusivity for one strike), the proprietary PSVita memory cards debacle, and likely more timed exclusive deals, yet zero (and I mean zero) outrage (outrage being more than simple displeasure/disagreement). Even MS gets today gets hate from micro transactions in Halo, yet Uncharted 4 has them and not a word here. Its just not balanced. Nintendo get an even bigger pass. Sony and Nintendo get praise for not charging for online first, yet once they do, its not their actual failt, but it is still MS'. MS deserves the shit, but the bucket is never passed on, no matter what the others do.
CerebralTiger
Member
Except that's MS, not SIE. It's rare for a Sony published title to hit other platforms. The only two examples I can think of are Everybody's Gone to the Rapture and Helldivers.
AHA-Lambda
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gundamkyoukai
Member
What nonsense are you talking about .
People complain about all that stuff about Sony.
Have you ever seen a thread about TLOU MP or PSVIta when it was first announce same for Destiny .
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
This made my morning. Thanks 😂
protomouse
Member
Did you guys read the rest of my post?
Marketing deals are a known quantity.Anyway, I'm out.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You edit you cheaterDid you guys read the rest of my post?
Anyway, I'm out.
Xp
It was about time.
One thing I would add to the OP, the fact that they publicly say on a stage that games like Nier or Ni no Kuni 2 are exclusives, which is a blatant lie.
Also the fact that they put some labels wrong on their website and then delete them when a game goes to another platform.
For example:
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-ps4/
Before the release on PC:
After the release on PC:
One thing I would add to the OP, the fact that they publicly say on a stage that games like Nier or Ni no Kuni 2 are exclusives, which is a blatant lie.
Also the fact that they put some labels wrong on their website and then delete them when a game goes to another platform.
For example:
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-ps4/
Before the release on PC:
After the release on PC:
Sounds like smart business to me. Why is the consumer getting outraged about this? Everyone get's to play it... Eventually.
this is such a non issue.
you guys are splitting hairs over semantics.
seriously, stop worrying about this bullshit. Noone is truly disadvantaged because of this.
the only thing disadvantaged by all of this are console warrior-egos & 'bragging rights'.
it's a simply concept that all the hardware manufactures use: if you're looking forward to a game, and you dont own the console it's on -you buy the console you need, to play it.
jesus, it's not rocket science. this is exactly the way the business model is supposed to work. this 'technique' has been in existence since the dawn of the games industry.
now, if later on that game pops up on the console you already did own; great! you can now compare the two, find which version you prefer to keep, then go for gold. simple.
there's no 'hurt feelings', or 'underhanded tricks', or 'betrayaltons', or any of that nonsense.
can we please collectively stop stooping to this mud slinging, tabloid-level, method of seeing things.
you guys are splitting hairs over semantics.
seriously, stop worrying about this bullshit. Noone is truly disadvantaged because of this.
the only thing disadvantaged by all of this are console warrior-egos & 'bragging rights'.
it's a simply concept that all the hardware manufactures use: if you're looking forward to a game, and you dont own the console it's on -you buy the console you need, to play it.
jesus, it's not rocket science. this is exactly the way the business model is supposed to work. this 'technique' has been in existence since the dawn of the games industry.
now, if later on that game pops up on the console you already did own; great! you can now compare the two, find which version you prefer to keep, then go for gold. simple.
there's no 'hurt feelings', or 'underhanded tricks', or 'betrayaltons', or any of that nonsense.
can we please collectively stop stooping to this mud slinging, tabloid-level, method of seeing things.
Whats wrong with that?Also the fact that they put some labels wrong on their website and then delete them when a game goes to another platform.
For example:
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-ps4/
Before the release on PC:
After the release on PC:
Sephiroth503
Member
It was about time.
One thing I would that to the OP, the fact that they publicly say on a stage that games like Nier or Ni no Kuni 2 are exclusives, which is a blatant lie.
Also the fact that they put some labels wrong on their website and then delete them when a game goes to another platform.
For example:
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/helldivers-ps4/
Before the release on PC:
After the release on PC:
What's the problem here? Both statements are factually correct at the time.