Let's talk about a "Switch 2 Max" Console
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cireza
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Great summary of what you did.
4k@120fps is a marketing argument. It will never be used. There will be a handful of games maybe. Big third party games will struggle on the console like they did on Switch 1. They are all skipping the console already, and the few that will come will barely run at 30fps. I think I made my argument pretty clear. Falcom games and Silksong aren't big third party games. Pragmata is, for example.
That's my expectation anyway, you are free to believe something else.
We all sat through years of this crap with switch 1
I think if the Wii and then the switch proved anything Nintendo aren't going to do a power system mid generarion
The only time they did was new Nintendo 3ds and that was good, but barely any games took advantage of the power and I don't see them straying from an OLED version and a switch 2 lite version and switch 3 is 7-8 years out so give it a rest no?
I think if the Wii and then the switch proved anything Nintendo aren't going to do a power system mid generarion
The only time they did was new Nintendo 3ds and that was good, but barely any games took advantage of the power and I don't see them straying from an OLED version and a switch 2 lite version and switch 3 is 7-8 years out so give it a rest no?
Baemono
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Nah but I see we don't talk about the same thing. Your point is valid, but wasn't a direct answer to what I was saying, and we kept going on me saying something not related to what you were saying, etc. Like two deaf people arguing.
So yeah, better stop here.
awwr999999
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If they make any significant HW changes they'll name it something new and use it as an excuse to kill off the Switch platform.
Mozza
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The Switch 2 is a massive upgrade over the original model pure and simple. It's not designed to have the power of the current generation consoles. But it was never advertised as such. So not sure of your actual point here.
cireza
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I disagree. I don't find it that massive of an upgrade, but I already explained my point here :
Mozza
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So.... your opinion is purely subjective. I personally feel it's a massive upgrade over the original.
Darkness_Arises
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The S2 SoC was designed to target a particular power profile and frequency. In order to increase the clock frequency, the voltage needs to be increased. Unfortunately, power scales (consumption as well as dissipation) with the second power of voltage and higher voltage will cause the transistors to fail prematurely due to higher stress on the gate dielectric.
What this means in practice is that while a 1 GHz chip could hypothetically be ran at 2 GHz, the cooling and power demands go through the roof and the reliability goes down the drain. Also, not all S2 chips can manage this feat, thus an additional testing and binning step is needed, which will increase the cost of the S2 Max beyond vanilla S2. As a simple example, check out AMD 9070 vs 9070 XT, the XT is 15% faster at the cost of 35% higher power consumption and heat dissipation. This tradeoff becomes worse the further the chip is driven from its design sweet spot.
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I know it's a whole new assembly line, but I still don't understand why Nintendo never released a Switch TV (and now a Switch 2 TV) that does what the OP is saying.
It'd have to be a much cheaper product and worth the squeeze. Hell, I bet you ALOT of people last gen would've gotten a Switch TV and a Switch Lite over the regular Switch Hybrid. It's not like they don't already have a great and snappy cloud save infrastructure. They even have digital game swapping between systems built into the OS now.
It'd have to be a much cheaper product and worth the squeeze. Hell, I bet you ALOT of people last gen would've gotten a Switch TV and a Switch Lite over the regular Switch Hybrid. It's not like they don't already have a great and snappy cloud save infrastructure. They even have digital game swapping between systems built into the OS now.
Darkness_Arises
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It is a no brainer and small effort engineering wise, if it runs similar to the docked profile. Increasing the chips performance by needlessly increasing Vdd to chase a higher frequency at the cost of reliability is not good engineering.
cireza
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Yes. This is the very principle of an opinion.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
They do not have the data to show that people do not want the half-baked one in addition to the full experience. Though it would have to be much cheaper for families with more than one kid. A lite would probably do better in this case too, because one can still hook up to a tv.
Baemono
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Mozza
Member
You seem to suggest it's objective. I get it.... You do not like the Switch 2 or Nintendo. Would you like a cuddle lol.
cireza
Member
Nope. You are interpreting. My first post here started with "I have the feeling that...". If you understand this as some kind of objective, absolute truth, I can't help you.
Being a fan or not is irrelevant, I am simply talking my mind about the console and situation.
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Mozza
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You missed the word "suggest" in my comment. If you are saying it's simply an opinion then I still disagree. The Switch 2 is the perfect upgrade for the original console. And the main reason why most will buy this are for Nintendo's own first party games. So the value is there for the vast majority of Switch 2 users.
To be honest the core hobby gamers opinions are just a simple continuation from the original Switch.
cireza
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Of course you can, that's fine. Let's disagree then, wouuuuh !
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Mozza
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Nobody forces you to give your invaluable insights on here. I for one find them very entertaining.. So please do not stop lol...
Mozza
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Yes let's agree to disagree buddy..
