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WP: Sessions Met with Russia Twice Last Year, Didn't Disclose During Confirmation

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royalan said:
Literally don't care. Like, a single bit.

Fuck party politics. Obama did not do his job as Commander in Chief by not moving on this.

Like, the only thing that is potentially saving us right now is the overwhelming incompetence of the Trump administration and everyone in its orbit. Had we elected a halfway competent fascist...heaven help me at the thought. It's outrageous, and Obama's legacy will wear this when history looks back on this shameful moment in our country's history.



Fuck the election. Ain't talking about that. There were two whole months between the election and Obama leaving office.
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I don't think you realize the scope of what you're asking for here.

The situation is unprecedented, but the former president actively undermining the legitimacy of the incoming administration (especially if he didn't have all of the facts) would be a catastrophic precedent for future partisan politics. Trump being an awful president or having a leaky cabinet doesn't change that he was legally elected president. If it's eventually revealed that Trump was the mastermind behind the Russian hacks, then we can have that talk about what the president should have done, but a) I don't think that's going to happen and b) if it did, there's no way Obama knew in time for it to matter.
 
sazzy said:
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Lol. Recusal. You wish.

Naw son, he got to go. To jail, preferably.

Another week, another self-inflicted gunshot to the foot for the Trump administration.
 
I think the only way Trump lasts the entire four years is if he gets rid of most of his cabinet:

Bannon
Miller
Sessions
Tillerson (maybe)
Conway

Even then, if one of these guys rolls over and implicates Trump in this, he is done. What are the betting odds for impeachment at?
 
God damn, Russia know how to infiltrate.

Throw oil contracts at Republicans and they can get whatever the fuck they want.

This all revolves around the Ukraine invasion/annexation. Russia needs those sanctions lifted so Rex Tillerson can get the Russia-Exxon deal flowing oil again, tax-free through Crimea.

It's so fucking obvious now it's disgusting. I wonder how many people in Trump's cabinet are getting kickbacks from this Russian deal? Probably ALL of them at this point.

Bunch of fucking SNAKES.

They're probably dragging their feet on investigations because MOST of the GoP top-brass have some sort of stake in Russia's oil.

Russia's probably using it as blackmail now. If Trump tries to walk away from lifting Russia's sanctions, or the Democrats somehow get Trump's pro-Russia cabinet members removed, Russia will just expose everyone that they gave oil/business deals too and laugh as the US government burns itself down.
 
Melkezadek said:
When are we Americans going to wake up and demand to know "What the fuck is going on?"

All of this stuff should be more alarming to us. I don't know how we can allow it to be background noise.
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Um, a lot of people are acting up. There's not much we can do right now, without actual evidence, though. Sessions being a supposed traitor is a start, but it's only a start.
 
mnannola said:
I think the only way Trump lasts the entire four years is if he gets rid of most of his cabinet:

Bannon
Miller
Sessions
Tillerson (maybe)
Conway

Even then, if one of these guys rolls over and implicates Trump in this, he is done. What are the betting odds for impeachment at?
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Conway will be the first to leak everything if she ever gets fired. I think it's the only reason they're keeping her around.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
I don't think you realize the scope of what you're asking for here.

The situation is unprecedented, but the former president actively undermining the legitimacy of the incoming administration (especially if he didn't have all of the facts) would be a catastrophic precedent for future partisan politics. Trump being an awful president or having a leaky cabinet doesn't change that he was legally elected president. If it's eventually revealed that Trump was the mastermind behind the Russian hacks, then we can have that talk about what the president should have done, but a) I don't think that's going to happen and b) if it did, there's no way Obama knew in time for it to matter.
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Obama knew he took a gamble hillary would still win, then use the further revelations of the hack so to embarrass putins efforts and kneecap republicans and shore up anti Russian support.

Obama gambled and lost
 
mnannola said:
I think the only way Trump lasts the entire four years is if he gets rid of most of his cabinet:

Bannon
Miller
Sessions
Tillerson (maybe)
Conway

Even then, if one of these guys rolls over and implicates Trump in this, he is done. What are the betting odds for impeachment at?
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Tillerson probably survives. The fact that he was in the private sector during his interactions and wasn't really involved in the campaign might help him. He's also a lot less controversial than Bannon and Miller. Those are the two I really want gone as they are driving the domestic agenda and the instability we're witnessing.
 
jelly said:
What I don't get is, why are they so blatant and careless? Did they not think it would matter if they conspired with Russians, that the NSA hears all. Did they think Trump would just steam roll the IC under his watch and control them or evidence was neatly covered up and couldn't be proved so it would never come to anything. I can't get my head around that other than them being arrogant idiots.
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There's a reason Flynn was fired at the DIA and why Sessions has been out on the fringes in the Senate for basically his whole career. When you've never held real power and responsibility, or have been terminated because of how you handled your power and responsibility, it stands to reason that they are going to continue misusing power and responsibility, unaware of the system around you.

Scott Pruitt should be similarly worried.
Roland_Gunner said:
Bannon's on the National Security Council. By any reasonable definition that gives him cabinet level access.
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Let's not pretend Trump respects any of these demaracations of power either. Everyone in that inner circle knows everything.
 
jelly said:
What I don't get is, why are they so blatant and careless? Did they not think it would matter if they conspired with Russians, that the NSA hears all. Did they think Trump would just steam roll the IC under his watch and control them or evidence was neatly covered up and couldn't be proved so it would never come to anything. I can't get my head around that other than them being arrogant idiots.
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They are incompetent as fuck. They rely on outside help, and a dumb base that votes against its interests. They have never relied on actual skill or qualification.
 
Extollere said:
I gotta say how fraught with misery I was after Trump's election... but if there's any silver lining in all this, it's gotta be watching this scandalous administration suffocate themselves by their own doing. It's schadenfreude at its finest.
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The best thing to come out of this fuckery will be watching the Republican party burn in flames. Cuz good god I am once again drooling at the thought of all this taking down the GOP once and for all.
 
Fancyarcher said:
Um, a lot of people are acting up. There's not much we can do right now, without actual evidence, though. Sessions being a supposed traitor is a start, but it's only a start.
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Keep calling your reps at a minimum. Keep putting pressure on them even if, yes, they're not in the majority, on a key committee, or may be a Republican. Don't be passive about it, much as it may seem pointless.
 
Macam said:
Keep calling your reps at a minimum. Keep putting pressure on them even if, yes, they're not in the majority, on a key committee, or may be a Republican. Don't be passive about it, much as it may seem pointless.
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Thankfully my actually state government will vote against anything that Trump orders, so I don't have much to worry about. I have considered calling.
 
SparkleMotion said:
Why should resignation even be an option? Shouldn't he be immediately fired for lying under oath?
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This is the current political climate. Dems and left leaning politicians need to fight for every inch in this fight. The GOP would be perfectly fine if he just recused himself. The law works differently for Republicans when controlling the Government.
 
So Republicans being against Global Warming wasn't always for U.S. oil companies but it seems like it was for Russian oil companies as well....
 
Someone should ask Spicer if Sessions lied to the VP too, or just the Senate?

Lying to the VP is how they lose confidence in you. *Pence dissapointed dad face*
 
I have a feeling this leak about Sessions was timed to drop after the media cycled through Trump's address.

Let him receive a little praise and undulation from the press that he didn't vomit on himself.

Immediately drop bombshell about another compromised official. He can't even have a moment of victory for more than a day. I hope it never lets up.
 
But then the problem is the fact that Sessions apparently now doesn't remember what he spoke with the Russian ambassador about. “There’s just not strong recollection of what was said,” one Justice Department official told The Post. So in one case, you have a denial that the campaign was discussed, and now the line is apparently that he doesn't remember talking about specific things like the campaign. It's all very reminiscent of Michael Flynn's statements that he couldn't recall discussing sanctions with the Russian ambassador — even though he had.
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jelly said:
What I don't get is, why are they so blatant and careless? Did they not think it would matter if they conspired with Russians, that the NSA hears all. Did they think Trump would just steam roll the IC under his watch and control them or evidence was neatly covered up and couldn't be proved so it would never come to anything. I can't get my head around that other than them being arrogant idiots.
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I don't think anyone thought the American public would be dumb enough to vote them into office. I don't even think Russia thought that.

Then Russia was feeling pretty good because they thought Trump was going to be sympathetic to their causes. Now I think we will be even stronger on Russia.
 
let this serve as a wake up call to the French who are having their Presidential Election this April.

Thank God they have a Two Round system.

If Macron wins, the French should slap sanctions against Russia for meddling in their election
 
mnannola said:
I think the only way Trump lasts the entire four years is if he gets rid of most of his cabinet:

Bannon
Miller
Sessions
Tillerson (maybe)
Conway

Even then, if one of these guys rolls over and implicates Trump in this, he is done. What are the betting odds for impeachment at?
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I think Tillerson survives.
 
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