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[Bruce Springsteen]

I don't excuse his racist, sexist, bigoted behavior and statements. My point is, much of what makes him as bad as he is is his stupidity and narcissism, not that he's some ultra evil figure when many politicians are FAR worse but aren't stupid enough to be caught and so blatant about it


when I'm quoted by so many it's not easy responding to every post

 

[RPGCrazied]

I hope Huntsman primaries him next time. Trump is clearly worried about that, since he keeps trying to get Huntsman to take a job in the administration (currently eyeing him for ambassador to Russia).

He is like 85 years old? Thankfully he shouldn't be running again.

 

[NYR]

Everyone goes from 0 to 100 way too quickly. He'll recuse himself to get away from this but he won't resign.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I don't excuse his racist, sexist, bigoted behavior and statements. My point is, much of what makes him as bad as he is is his stupidity and narcissism, not that he's some ultra evil figure when many politicians are FAR worse but aren't stupid enough to be caught and so blatant about


when I'm quoted by so many it's not easy responding to every post

Ok, and I'm just saying painting anything he does or is as anywhere near Carter just isn't accurate. Trump is in his own league of not only being a terrible leader, but also all of the other things mentioned regarding his defective and dangerous moral character. You can't just separate those qualities from him. Those qualities are what make him who he is. It is what helps shape his decision making process and his ability to surround himself with competent people. And obviously, he's failed.

 

[theWB27]

I don't excuse his racist, sexist, bigoted behavior and statements. My point is, much of what makes him as bad as he is is his stupidity and narcissism, not that he's some ultra evil figure when many politicians are FAR worse but aren't stupid enough to be caught and so blatant about it


when I'm quoted by so many it's not easy responding to every post

Nah..his racist, sexist and bigoted behavior and statements are what makes him as bad as he is. Racists compared to other racists are still racists.

Usually a rich person in power doesn't give a damn about showing his racism. It's not stupidity...it's just racism, bigotry...............................

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Guess that explains why he tried to silence Warren.

 

[BronsonLee]

Everyone goes from 0 to 100 way too quickly. He'll recuse himself to get away from this but he won't resign.

Recusing basically guarantees someone will find something worse on him I think

 

[polyh3dron]

sorry to break your heart, he isn't Hitler 2.0 like you so badly want him to be

he is acting like a 3rd world dictator in so many ways, and i so badly don't want him to

 

[wesleyshark]

Everyone goes from 0 to 100 way too quickly. He'll recuse himself to get away from this but he won't resign.

Flynn said he wouldn't resign either

 

[Quixzlizx]

Because he's an idiot who doesn't bother to see the source of what the praise is, he is just that thick


sorry to break your heart, he isn't Hitler 2.0 like you so badly want him to be

Clearly I want the US to be led by Hitler 2.0.

And I clearly said that he's an incompetent, evil, piece of shit. Hitler was competent until he started fancying himself supreme commander of the German military.

And he's a racist, corrupt, idiot, not just an idiot. Being an idiot doesn't absolve someone from their terrible beliefs. You're still going to have to carry your L for carrying water for that waste of oxygen.

Edit: By the way, he appointed Nazis as his chief advisors.

 

[Dr.Acula]

this feels like a bigger scandal than Flynn doesn't it?

Maybe, but Flynn had to resign because the VP contradicted him, meaning either Flynn lied to the VP, or the VP lied to the public. Sessions and the GoP are trying to weasel out by saying that he had communications, but it was okay because it was not related to the election, and it fell outside his timeline as a member of the campaign, and that was not was was asked during his confirmation.

All the WH statements are broad and not coming from any specific person outside spokespeople, nothing like VP Pence saying "he told me X, and X is what took place."

 

[rambis]

And allow an independent investigation?

So it's not a resignation

Yep. That's why we've got a contrast between Pelosi calling for resignation and people like Chaffetz bringing up recusion

Recusal would just remove Sessions from the investigation but it would still be DoJ and or Congress controlled. Republicans are still mostly stopping short of the fully independent investigation.

 

[Blader]

He is like 85 years old? Thankfully he shouldn't be running again.

You'd think but for some reason they're not treating it as if this is obviously Hatch's last term.

 

[Saint Gregory]

He also used his influence to take out a media vendetta against the Central Park 5 and spent 8 years claiming the former president was not a citizen. He's not Hitler. But he is a racist and a bigot and an idiot all the same. He's scum.

Don't forget that even after all of these years he refuses to admit that he was wrong about the CP5. The man took out a full page ad calling for their execution but an apology is apparently asking too much.

 

[Stinkles]

I don't excuse his racist, sexist, bigoted behavior and statements. My point is, much of what makes him as bad as he is is his stupidity and narcissism, not that he's some ultra evil figure when many politicians are FAR worse but aren't stupid enough to be caught and so blatant about it


when I'm quoted by so many it's not easy responding to every post

You still in here choking that whatboutism chicken, huh.

NOTE: It's about your guy. Not other guys.

 

[ICO_SotC]

And this

House Republicans are already preparing for ‘years' of investigations of Clinton

Click the link, guess who's picture is at the top?

I've said it before, but it wasn't just Comey's letter, it was Chaffetz coming out right before the election and promising the American voters that a Hillary Clinton presidency would result in four years of endless hearings and gridlock, *AND* the fact that Fox News reported that they had good sources that said Hillary Clinton would be indicted "imminently" not 5 days before the election that killed her.

"Imminently" is an important word, becuase it suggests that even if it doesn't happen before the election, it *will* happen, and it puts the fear in peoples heads about the chaos that would result in having a president being indicted and maybe arrested just days/weeks into a presidency.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

And allow an independent investigation?

So it's not a resignation

No not resignation. But Trump would lose the friendly eyes over the DoJ case. That in itself would be a big win. Though I don't want any less than resignation.

 

[rambis]

"Recuse oneself"? It means an independent attorney would be put in charge of the Trump/Russia case investigation rather than Sessions as AG.



.

Not independent. Its important to note that Sessions recusal would only pass the buck down to his deputy. It would then be up to the deputy or President to seek independent investigation. Recusal is the least that needs to happen, a full blown independent investigation is the goal

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

Posted yet?

Based Sanders.

 

[Brandon F]

I don't excuse his racist, sexist, bigoted behavior and statements. My point is, much of what makes him as bad as he is is his stupidity and narcissism, not that he's some ultra evil figure when many politicians are FAR worse but aren't stupid enough to be caught and so blatant about it


when I'm quoted by so many it's not easy responding to every post

There is plenty of evidence to consider that he carries enough morally reprehensible irresponsibility to be aligned on the evil side through the many decades of his career.

Many of his business dealings are paved with morally questionable and inhumane treatment both on and off the negotiation table. This isn't just a dumb twit stiffing contractors on financial recompense on their agreed and delivered obligations(and countering with potential lawsuits no one could afford if fought), or setting up charity organizations that serve no public service other than diverting funds inappropriately into his own coffers. Plenty of other examples.

There is a plan in his mind here, one in which his goals are entirely self-serving by any means necessary(often greatly harming others). Not really sure I could condone your argument that he is merely a narcissistic buffoon when decades of evidence prove that there is more thought put into his brand of evil, not too indifferent from the politicians you criticize.

 

[Django.Mango]

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/0...general-firestorm-over-russia-nothing-burger/

Wow.. Do you have any GOP members who can sound at least a little bit credible when they are talking? That is some idiocracy level talking. I cant believe this party still exists.

 

[Chococat]

13. And now Nancy Pelosi is asking Sessions to resign AND WSJ is reporting that Sessions is under FBI investigation

From PoliGAF thread. Can someone quote the WSJ FBI investigation bit?

 

[RDreamer]

I really hope the Dems keep pushing this and can maybe get his resignation. I give it a like... 5% chance of actually happening, but anything we can do to be rid of this jackass is a good thing. Like Flynn, it's hard to imagine a replacement being any worse than him, so he's just gotta go.

 

[140.85]

"About the 2016 election"

"Several of the President-elect's nominees or senior advisers have Russian ties. Have you been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day?" Leahy wrote.

Sessions responded with one word: "No."

Franken's question:

CNN has just published a story and I'm telling you this about a story that has just been published, I'm not expecting you to know whether it's true or not, but CNN just published a story, alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote "Russian operatives claimed to have comproming personal and financial information about Mr. Trump." These documents also allegedly say quote "there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government." Again I'm telling you this is just coming out so, you know... but, if it's true it's obviously extremely serious. And if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russians in the course of this campaign, what will you do?"

Sorry guys, but I think these two things give him an out. There's too much wiggle room there to be able to say every answer was in the context to discussing the election specifically (in more than a passing fashion) and say that ambassador meetings are commonplace consistent with Manchin's defense, etc.

I think they're gonna ride this one out for the next 8-24 hrs and then Sessions will announce a recusal only in the morning. Trump can just throw the whole Lynch/Clinton tarmac double standard back in the Dems faces regarding AG's needing to be beyond reproach and claim this wasn't even as inappropriate since people on the committee meet with ambassadors all the time.

 

[RDreamer]

Oh, also:

Trump JR likely got $50K for an October speech for a Moscow-allied think tank.

WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump’s eldest son was likely paid at least $50,000 for an appearance late last year before a French think tank whose founder and wife are allies of the Russian government in efforts to end the war in Syria.

Donald Trump Jr. addressed a dinner on Oct. 11 at the Ritz Hotel in Paris, hosted by the Center of Political and Foreign Affairs. Its president, Fabien Baussart, and his Syrian-born wife, Randa Kassis, have cooperated with Russia in its drive to end the Syrian civil war, according to U.S., European and Arab officials. In December, Mr. Baussart formally nominated Russian President Vladimir Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Mrs. Kassis is a leader of a political faction endorsed by Russia in negotiations to end the war in Syria. The couple said they don’t represent Russia and are solely focused on ending the Syrian conflict.

The meeting in October represents one in a string of contacts over the past year between members of the president’s inner circle and individuals connected to Moscow and to Russian interests. The Wall Street Journal in November reported Donald Trump Jr.’s appearance at the event.

 

[El_Tiguere]

I really hope the Dems keep pushing this and can maybe get his resignation. I give it a like... 5% chance of actually happening, but anything we can do to be rid of this jackass is a good thing. Like Flynn, it's hard to imagine a replacement being any worse than him, so he's just gotta go.

THIS. At worst, this is what the Dems need to push for an independent prosecutor for the whole thing. They should start labeling GOP lapdogs as Russian sympathizers putting party above country.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Not independent. Its important to note that Sessions recusal would only pass the buck down to his deputy. It would then be up to the deputy or President to seek independent investigation. Recusal is the least that needs to happen, a full blown independent investigation is the goal

Ah I see

Don't forget that even after all of these years he refuses to admit that he was wrong about the CP5. The man took out a full page ad calling for their execution but an apology is apparently asking too much.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were some bullshit family motto of "A Trump is never wrong/says sorry" or some shit. The man is incapable of doing anything other than acting like every word out of his mouth is reality.

 

[KHarvey16]

"About the 2016 election"



Franken's question:



Sorry guys, but I think these two things give him an out. There's too much wiggle room there to be able to say every answer was in the context to discussing the election specifically (in more than a passing fashion) and say that ambassador meetings are commonplace consistent with Manchin's defense, etc.

I think they're gonna ride this one out for the next 8-24 hrs and then Sessions will announce a recusal only in the morning. Trump can just throw the whole Clinton tarmac double standard back in the Dems faces regarding AG's needing to be beyond reproach and claim this wasn't even as inappropriate since people on the committee meet with ambassadors all the time.

"During 2016, ambassadors would often make superficial comments about election-related news, but it was not the substance of their discussion," a Justice Department official said.

Also in oral testimony he explicitly said he had no contact with Russian officials. It was not qualified with "about the election."

 

[mnannola]

We desperately need a constantly updated Russian - Trump suspect board. Something like this but with clickable sources on each section:

 

[kris.]

We desperately need a constantly updated Russian - Trump suspect board. Something like this but with clickable sources on each section:

https://wearethisamericancarnage.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/the-matryoshka/

cited sources and all.

 

[Bishman]

13. And now Nancy Pelosi is asking Sessions to resign AND WSJ is reporting that Sessions is under FBI investigation

From PoliGAF thread. Can someone quote the WSJ FBI investigation bit?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/invest...ns-contacts-with-russian-officials-1488424871

WASHINGTON—U.S. investigators have examined contacts Attorney General Jeff Sessions had with Russian officials during the time he was advising Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, according to people familiar with the matter.

The outcome of the inquiry, and whether it is ongoing, wasn’t clear, these people said. The contacts were being examined as part of a wide-ranging U.S. counterintelligence investigation into possible communications between members of Mr. Trump’s campaign team and Russian operatives, they said.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation, which has been leading the investigation, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. The White House directed requests for comment to the Justice Department.

But disclosures about Mr. Sessions’ contacts led quickly late Wednesday to demands that he step aside from any investigation involving the Trump administration, or that he resign for failing to tell the truth during his confirmation hearing.

The focus of the U.S. counterintelligence investigation has been on communications between Trump campaign officials and Russia. The inquiry involving Mr. Sessions is examining his contacts while serving as Mr. Trump’s foreign-policy adviser in the spring and summer of 2016, one person familiar with the matter said.

The investigation is being pursued by the FBI, Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency and Treasury Department, officials have said. Counterintelligence probes seldom lead to public accusations or criminal charges.

However, the probe, if ongoing, could create a highly unusual and sensitive political dynamic given that the FBI is part of the Justice Department that Mr. Sessions, as attorney general, now leads. Mr. Sessions has only been in office for under a month and the investigation began before he was nominated and approved by the Senate.

The FBI’s role in the investigation into Mr. Sessions’ conversations left the agency “wringing its hands” about how to proceed, said one person familiar with the matter.

 

[140.85]

Also in oral testimony he explicitly said he had no contact with Russian officials. It was not qualified with "about the election."

But it kinda was. Or at least I think there's enough there that he can say that's what he understood the context to be. They can just claim that they felt the questions were not within the context of "superficial comments". Because honestly, I think it's safe to say that that was far from what Franken and Leahy were concerned about - idle talk about the most important, ongoing political event that's hard to ignore since Sessions and those he deals with are right in the middle of that world every day.

 

[mnannola]

https://wearethisamericancarnage.wordpress.com/2017/02/23/the-matryoshka/

cited sources and all.

Wow a lot of info there. Thanks!

 

[KHarvey16]

But it kinda was. Or at least I think there's enough there that he can say that's what he understood the context to be. They can just claim that they felt the questions were not within the context of "superficial comments". Because honestly, I think it's safe to say that that was far from what Franken and Leahy were concerned about - idle talk about the most important, ongoing political event that's hard to ignore since Sessions and those he deals with are right in the middle of that world every day.

During oral testimony he answered this question:

And if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russians in the course of this campaign, what will you do?"

With:

"I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians."

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

But it kinda was. Or at least I think there's enough there that he can say that's what he understood the context to be. They can just claim that they felt the questions were not within the context of "superficial comments". Because honestly, I think it's safe to say that that was far from what Franken and Leahy were concerned about - idle talk about the most important, ongoing political event that's hard to ignore since Sessions and those he deals with are right in the middle of that world every day.

I think Mr Sessions owes the American people a clear response on whenever any such meetings took place (his statement today says otherwise).

Either way, based on the new information on the FBI investigation, recusal is a must; he can't very well head an investigation where he himself could possibly be implicated of wrongdoing.

 

[Zolo]

During oral testimony he answered this question:



With:

So he didn't even answer the question really?

 

[theWB27]

During oral testimony he answered this question:



With:

Sounds awfully rehearsed to me.

 

[rambis]

But it kinda was. Or at least I think there's enough there that he can say that's what he understood the context to be. They can just claim that they felt the questions were not within the context of "superficial comments". Because honestly, I think it's safe to say that that was far from what Franken and Leahy were concerned about - idle talk about the most important, ongoing political event that's hard to ignore since Sessions and those he deals with are right in the middle of that world every day.

I mean the thing is, he wasnt questioned in the oral hearing about him self meeting with Russians. He volunteered that he never met with Russians and the election was never really in context. Then the written question that asked if he had any contact with anybody at all affilated with Russia about the election and he plainly responded "no".

He dug a grave for himself by volunteering that he never met with them when he was never asked if he met them. I mean you can see the nervousness in his reply, he could not sit still at all after that answer.

 

[BlitzKeeg]

Posted yet?

Thank you Bern.

Sessions needs to go.

With this trajectory I honestly don't see Trump lasting until the end of the year, let alone 4. There's just too much dirt. However, the legal process is long.

 

[Nafai1123]

During oral testimony he answered this question:



With:

I'm not sure how this ISN'T perjury.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

We desperately need a constantly updated Russian - Trump suspect board. Something like this but with clickable sources on each section:

 

[Glix]

"About the 2016 election"



Franken's question:



Sorry guys, but I think these two things give him an out. There's too much wiggle room there to be able to say every answer was in the context to discussing the election specifically (in more than a passing fashion) and say that ambassador meetings are commonplace consistent with Manchin's defense, etc.

I think they're gonna ride this one out for the next 8-24 hrs and then Sessions will announce a recusal only in the morning. Trump can just throw the whole Lynch/Clinton tarmac double standard back in the Dems faces regarding AG's needing to be beyond reproach and claim this wasn't even as inappropriate since people on the committee meet with ambassadors all the timehttps://twitter.com/clairecmc/status/296640293229457409.

Yeah wow, once four years ago, is certainly all the time.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It depends what your definition of communications is.

 

[A Serious Man]

Nunez: "We shouldn't investigate Sessions because that opens the door to investigate anyone who ever talked with the Russians!"

How does that even make sense.

 

[Dead Prince]

Nunez: "We shouldn't investigate Sessions because that opens the door to investigate anyone who ever talked with the Russians!"

How does that even make sense.

Nunez got some 'splaining to do.

 

[sir_kevith]

Wow.. Do you have any GOP members who can sound at least a little bit credible when they are talking? That is some idiocracy level talking. I cant believe this party still exists.

One of the first responses in this thread used the same phrase. I got irrationally angry as soon as I read it last night. Sometimes I wish I was a dictator and could ban phrases.

 

[sturgboski]

Nunez: "We shouldn't investigate Sessions because that opens the door to investigate anyone who ever talked with the Russians!"

How does that even make sense.

At this point we should investigate Nunes. He was part of the transition team and came out this week saying there is no evidence of connections with Russia and the Trump administration or campaign team even though he has yet to see any evidence.

Also fuck the Republicans. Party over country ahitheads.

 

[LiK]

Nunez: "We shouldn't investigate Sessions because that opens the door to investigate anyone who ever talked with the Russians!"

How does that even make sense.

Let's check on him.

 

[rambis]

I'm not sure how this ISN'T perjury.

They have very easily shifted the conversation to the context of meetings when that was never even material to the question asked. I don't know if its 4D chess or dyslexia but people are already largely off track with the context of his testimony.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Nunez: "We shouldn't investigate Sessions because that opens the door to investigate anyone who ever talked with the Russians!"

How does that even make sense.

Fucking idiot. We gonna investigate the press next if you been talking to the Russians. The press isn't the government you dumbass.