More_Badass
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Sony and Marvel have the rest. Agent Venom, Moon Knight, Blade, Punisher, etc
Logan |OT| Children of (X)Men (SPOILERS)
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Sony and Marvel have the rest. Agent Venom, Moon Knight, Blade, Punisher, etc
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think these are really big problems with characterization at all. Caliban doesn't like folding the laundry, you think he's going to be super-eager to become a martyr at the first possible opportunity? Him trying to hold out for as long as he can before he realizes the game is over made perfect sense to me.
Same with Logan not decapitating Pierce at the compound in their first battle. Not only is it like, the first 25-30 minutes of the film, but he's got shit he needs to deal with and asking Caliban to deal with a (should still be unconscious) government spook is maybe a delegation of duty that shouldn't have been delegated, it doesn't feel out of character, either - dude has other shit on his mind, and Logan isn't much for murdering people who aren't trying to murder him. There is a code, still.
Trying to "solve" a movie so that it ends in its shortest possible runtime typically results in dissatisfaction in both the solution and the movie. Characters have to make mistakes, or their actions have to have unintended consequences in a story. It's one of the basic building blocks of drama.
It's not like Caliban or Logan were being egregiously careless or stupid, and they weren't acting out of character, either.
All that sounds good and maybe your right. I just wish they would do a better job matching the tone of the characters . I hope it doesn't turn into every PG-13 comic movie needs to have a huge budget and everyone Rated R comic movie needs to have a tiny budget.
Yeah, but he was played by some Icelandic dude.
LordOfLore
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I liked the small "I'm not that guy" line from him. Works two ways: he isn't the guy from Apocalypse and he doesn't work for Transigen any more.
Bobby Roberts
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Speaking of which: This Caliban... was he one of the first Mutant experiments that escaped? I couldn't tell if they were alluding to their having created him at some point, or if he was just helping them, until he had that crisis of conscience after Charles' apocalyptic seizure.
Kinda wasn't feeling the ending, felt somewhat rushed.
Same thing with Charles dying. The way it happened was heartbreaking af, but it all happened so quickly. Then again, that's life sometimes.
That aside yea, this was easily the best X-Men movie imo, and Jackman's best work in the role. The movie overall was depressing as fuck, but it makes sense, because of course Logan would eventually end up like that.
Also now that I've experienced both, yea, the Last of Us comparisons are weird.
Also didn't want him to die either...
That aside yea, this was easily the best X-Men movie imo, and Jackman's best work in the role. The movie overall was depressing as fuck, but it makes sense, because of course Logan would eventually end up like that.
Also now that I've experienced both, yea, the Last of Us comparisons are weird.
The charts say that she only has adamantium at sites Alpha and Delta I believe, which implies her hand and foot claws.
This matches with canon, in that Laura only has adamantium claws but no skeleton.
I took it as he was helping them until he had the crisis of conscience.
NealMcCauley
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Yeah, Holbrook also had a small monologue about how Caliban's mother probably always told him the sun would kill him.
Bobby Roberts
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Thank you.
Yeah, that was the line that had me going "Wait... so they didn't augment him or fix him, he's just old-school mutant, then."
So weird to think the mutant apocalypse happened and the only three people with the X-gene to survive it were Charles, Logan, and fuckin' CALIBAN.
Kinda wanna change the title to another suggestion which was "Children of (X)Men"
Seems more apt.
Bobby Roberts
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DO IT.
PhoncipleBone
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Not as bad as people making Borderlands comparisons when Fury Road hit.
Unfortunately, I feel like the ship has sailed at this point and it'll make the people praising the current title look like a bunch of dummies.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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Bobby Roberts
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Goddamn your even-handed, thoughtful and considerate approach to things, Marston.
Along with roughly 1/5th of the details from this movie, I had forgotten that happened. Damn.
Are they the only ones? I got the impression mutants were rare and dying out but there were still a bit more out there besides those 3.
Bobby Roberts
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I got the sense they were the only ones. The only mutants left on earth are those three, and the ones Rice had created to be weapons.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I thought the movie was pretty good. I'm an upbeat guy, so seeing Wolverine a miserable asshole the whole time was grating to me. That and the film's length made the whole thing drag. The action scenes were cool, the acting was good across the board, and there are some surprising plot twists, but its not a movie I see myself ever revisiting.
Also, he treated Laura like shit the whole movie, so the whole "daddy" part was a mistake in my eyes.
Also, he treated Laura like shit the whole movie, so the whole "daddy" part was a mistake in my eyes.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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A buddy I brought along for my 2nd viewing kept asking where was Magneto (and his followers) and I didn't know how to give him a satisfactory answer lol
Clearly, Magneto drank the wrong Red Bull along the way. Easy answer.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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I thought the food and drinks stuff only stop mutants from producing more mutant babies, that they shouldn't die eating or drinking... But Magneto died, one way or another.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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I think the child leader has Magneto's gene of some sort. Some other children exhibit telekinesis-type abilities as well.
The Winnipeg Jets.
See, that was my understanding. Everyone told me I was dumb and he was moving the rocks which shifted the truck.
Oh, I mean because of his heart. Dude's old as shit, shouldn't be drinking 3 Red Bulls a day. It gave him wings but like angel wings.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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The film ends on the same note as Snyder's Dawn of the Dead did (funny enough, both films feature Johnny Cash's The Man Comes Around): characters escape, but we don't know what will happen to them (in the case of Snyder's DotD: not until the end credit footage, and even then we still don't know what happen to the crew).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I actually went into this expecting the movie to be a soft R (e.g. he'd actually claw people to death in a couple of scenes but otherwise PG-13), but this was definitely a hard R.
I got a bit of a chuckle out of the idea that the evil bad guys were concerned about losing jurisdiction if the kids hit the border.
I got a bit of a chuckle out of the idea that the evil bad guys were concerned about losing jurisdiction if the kids hit the border.
LordOfLore
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Didn't they call him Rockslide at some point?
According to one site that I read (https://moviepilot.com/p/logan-every-easter-egg-comic-book-reference-x-men-movie-link/4209790) Joey is most likely Joey Bailey -- so telekinesis from Jean Grey.
edit: Some of the first few points on that site are inaccurate though...
BKatastrophe
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Well, if it's the same as Rictor in the comics, then it's seismic energy manipulation and generation. But it looked more like basic TK to me.
That'd be closer to Avalanche's power set, though.
EliteArtist
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The thing that got me the most was the fact Logan was also buried near water. Just that little detail elevated that so much in my mind and made it incredibly bittersweet. Like it's never really brought up, just an incredibly nice detail.
Spike Spiegel
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This is why her calling him "daddy" at the end almost got me. He was finally the man she wanted him to be only at the end when it was too late, it's heartbreaking. She only got a glimpse.
I like it
BKatastrophe
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Who else found the fact that there is a company named after the lake where the original Weapon X facility stood interesting?
The electric kid clutching the Wolverine action figure at the end...bruh, the heart breaks
The electric kid clutching the Wolverine action figure at the end...bruh, the heart breaks
SuperStiltzkin
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Well, the happy black family they bumped into halfway into their journey did die. The family that gave them a brief feeling of family, togetherness, and comfort after being on the run for so long. Looking at it broadly, I think the comparison still fits somewhat.
I got the impression that there are mutants out there, just very few of them and very scattered and in hiding. Even if you were a mutant, you wouldn't want to put those powers on display in this new America. I imagine everyone is just trying to make ends meet much like Logan is by taking on a mundane job.
That kid was called Rictor, as in "Rictor Scale" I figure. He lifted the truck up with earth magic.
I definitely got the sense the mutants were actively exterminated worldwide(?). There was a bit on the radio where the host was making fun of a caller and said something like "It's 202X, why are you still talking about mutants!". Like it was absurd to talk about mutants at this point since they've been gone so long? But it's pretty crazy that the movie is ambiguous about that.
Also let's never forget that Logan, professional Uber driver, doesn't own a cell phone charger. Unless his was an iPhone and the Exposition Phone was an android and we never did settle a standard in the future. Post-apocalyptic indeed.
I definitely got the sense the mutants were actively exterminated worldwide(?). There was a bit on the radio where the host was making fun of a caller and said something like "It's 202X, why are you still talking about mutants!". Like it was absurd to talk about mutants at this point since they've been gone so long? But it's pretty crazy that the movie is ambiguous about that.
Also let's never forget that Logan, professional Uber driver, doesn't own a cell phone charger. Unless his was an iPhone and the Exposition Phone was an android and we never did settle a standard in the future. Post-apocalyptic indeed.
Yeah, it actually paints a pretty interesting picture of what life is like for everyone else. The mutants do exist, and they are "superheroes", but much of what they do is spun into the fantasy nature of the comic books. Eden didn't really exist, but it existed in the minds of the lab kids and that's all that mattered. They tried to make their own Eden. And that's all what Logan couldn't understand until the end when he was holding Laura's hand.
SuperStiltzkin
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Also that subzero shit with the girl freezing the dude's arm and shattering it.
RipperGrim
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Fuck fuck fuck fuck. All the fucks were distracting lol, I think a limit on the swearing would have made it more impactful.
Overall though good movie, definitely top of the X men movies, not The Dark Knight tier though.
Overall though good movie, definitely top of the X men movies, not The Dark Knight tier though.
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