2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."

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I know Friday ratings usually aren't too exciting but last night had the season finale of Emerald City and The Vampire Diaries penultimate episode.

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NBC canceled Grimm and yet the ratings for that show are beating most of their other shows. Especially for Fridays. Weird choice to cancel it.
 
Kevin said:
NBC canceled Grimm and yet the ratings for that show are beating most of their other shows. Especially for Fridays. Weird choice to cancel it.
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oh grimm is finally dead? I hadnt heard
 
Emerald City won its 9 to 10 slot against shows airing new episodes. Chalk another one up for the hitmakers over at NBC.
 
firehawk12 said:
So I'm just watching When We Rise as a background watch and it's definitely better than Stonewall at least, but I can see why no one bothered watching it - it's both interesting history, but it's also history that everyone who might be interested already knows wrapped up in a relatively safe drama.
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Yeah, I watched the first two parts on Hulu and safe is a good word to describe it. It also feels way too shallow about the events it's covering and the time jumps are rather jarring so far. It feels like the Cliff Notes version of gay rights.
 
I thought The Get Down was only supposed to be a one season thing. I've never seen them advertise it as season one and on Netflix it's referred to as just Part 1 and Part 2.
 
Freiya said:
Gawd damit I loved incorperated. How does that get canceled but dark matter makes it? Really?
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Timing is everything. Dark Matter and Killjoys make a nice 2 hour block of Sci fi, most importantly during the summer time when everyone else is airing reality TV shows.

Incorporated was out when everyone was putting their best new stuff, and just never really found a big following.

Also a show about space and robots and space ships and smugglers and galactic warfare and maybe aliens is going to be far more fun to watch than a show about...well, all I really know is corporations and bio-engineering?
 
Zero315 said:
Yeah, I watched the first two parts on Hulu and safe is a good word to describe it. It also feels way too shallow about the events it's covering and the time jumps are rather jarring so far. It feels like the Cliff Notes version of gay rights.
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Yeah and by the end, the minority and trans characters sort of felt like they were created because most stories about the gay movement in America are usually about white gay men and women.

I was surprised that they only did one awkward "Forrest Gump" moment by inserting the Cleve character into archival footage of the Clintons, particularly when they use stand-ins for them later on (and for other historical figures that are peripherally involved like Harvey Milk).
 
Everyone had Lopez fatigue back when Shades of Blue aired, since Idol was still on. So expect a major bump.

Like 1.2-1.3, around there.
 
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Weird, NCIS didn't kill off Miguel Ferrer's character but just said he's off being a spy somewhere. But I guess it works in this context.
 
Posted this in the DCU Community thread but I suppose it would be of interest here too...,

Dana Walden who runs Fox tv (network and studio IIRC) was recently interviewed at a conference in Israel and had this to say about Gotham's future..,

This was during a wide-ranging talk that touched on the network’s current roster and 20th TV’s breakout NBC drama This Is Us, as well why the broadcast network doesn’t have a current affairs program. We also spoke afterwards about renewal chances for shows like 24: Legacy, Pitch, The Exorcist and Gotham.

The latter, she expects, will return.
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http://deadline.com/2017/03/dana-wa...shots-fired-news-programming-intv-1202037604/

I imagine that the network is trying to renegotiate a new deal with Warners TV for a fourth season so that's why we haven't heard anything despite the fact Fox have already ordered Lethal Weapon and Lucifer for next season from the studio.

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Time After Time, no one watches our show

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Or we didn't make history....


Anyhow, this was not a good year for time travel shows.

4 shows... all kind of came in lukewarm. Though think Timeless started decently and faded
 
I do love my time travel sci-fi but how in the world did 4 of them all the sudden appear the same year on TV? Pure coincidence? The over-saturation is probably what's hurting all of them.
 
http://tvline.com/2017/03/06/how-i-met-your-mother-spinoff-delayed-2017/
How I Met Your Mother Spinoff Delayed in Wake of This Is Us Pair's Promotion

Penguin said:
Time After Time, no one watches our show
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Wow, didn't even crack the 1 for the first episode. Should have expected that considering I was the only one that bothered to guess.

Penguin said:
4 shows... all kind of came in lukewarm. Though think Timeless started decently and faded
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Legends of Tomorrow at least is still awesome.
 
Busty said:
Posted this in the DCU Community thread but I suppose it would be of interest here too...,

Dana Walden who runs Fox tv (network and studio IIRC) was recently interviewed at a conference in Israel and had this to say about Gotham's future..,

http://deadline.com/2017/03/dana-wa...shots-fired-news-programming-intv-1202037604/

I imagine that the network is trying to renegotiate a new deal with Warners TV for a fourth season so that's why we haven't heard anything despite the fact Fox have already ordered Lethal Weapon and Lucifer for next season from the studio.
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This is great to hear. Thanks for posting it in here too. Gotham is the one show I want to return the most next season besides Agents of Shield.
 
With Bates Motel ending in a month or so, A&E is down to just The Frankenstein Chronicles and reality garbage, and the only thing I can find in development is Jake Gyllenhaal's production company working on a Jonestown series which hasn't been mentioned since being announced -- and HBO is also working on a Jonestown series with Vince Gilligan so I honestly doubt the Gyllenhaal project will happen. And Frankenstein Chronicles is a US syndication of a British show. Another network out of original programming?

Speaking of that, everyone thinks Logo is being shut down since RuPaul's Drag Race got moved to Bravo for this season and Logo has nothing else.

In other news, Dish Network dropped carriage for Chiller, the horror network, this month and Charter is about to, so who thinks Chiller will still exist a year from now? NBC has already closed """"Cloo""" and the Esquire Network. It's moot since they don't have any original programming in the works anyway, but yeah...
 
Kronotech said:
I do love my time travel sci-fi but how in the world did 4 of them all the sudden appear the same year on TV? Pure coincidence? The over-saturation is probably what's hurting all of them.
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I dropped both Timeless and Legends of Tomorrow because it was so saturated just watching those 2.
I picked Legends back up recently but Timeless is done, I felt the James Bond thing was the only thing special it did.
 
Joni said:
Would it be bad to have less of those two three real shows networks?
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I guess if not having them meant a reduction of programming diversity or risk-taking in the marketplace, that's bad but if not having them meant the same shows would land elsewhere then consumers are unaffected.

So the question is sort of whether you think Netflix--or Amazon or AMC or FX or HBO or...-would buy the next Bates Motel (maybe), the next RuPaul's drag race (honestly most of the ascendant cable and digital nets are pretty bad at reality programming and especially competition reality so probably not, although Bravo is a natural destination), or the next shitty 8 episode murder mystery (surprised there aren't more of these already) or if you think those networks were actually picking up on latent unsatisfied demand
 
Stumpokapow said:
With Bates Motel ending in a month or so, A&E is down to just The Frankenstein Chronicles and reality garbage, and the only thing I can find in development is Jake Gyllenhaal's production company working on a Jonestown series which hasn't been mentioned since being announced -- and HBO is also working on a Jonestown series with Vince Gilligan so I honestly doubt the Gyllenhaal project will happen. And Frankenstein Chronicles is a US syndication of a British show. Another network out of original programming?

Speaking of that, everyone thinks Logo is being shut down since RuPaul's Drag Race got moved to Bravo for this season and Logo has nothing else.

In other news, Dish Network dropped carriage for Chiller, the horror network, this month and Charter is about to, so who thinks Chiller will still exist a year from now? NBC has already closed """"Cloo""" and the Esquire Network. It's moot since they don't have any original programming in the works anyway, but yeah...
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This has been something I've been thinking about lately, especially with Comcast/NBC shutting down a lot of their extended cable channels. So far this year alone they've shut down Oxygen (which may get retooled into a new Crime channel), Esquire, and Cloo.

I feel like these channels can't even justify their own existence and offer maybe, one or two original pieces of programming a week, if that. And those bits could easily be reshuffled to similar networks owned by the same people. For example, E! and Bravo, two channels that have significant overlap in terms of demographics and the type of programming offered. From literally 1AM to 8PM, every weekday, is Keeping Up With the Kardashians reruns (with a single hour of E! News breaking up the marathon) on E!. Then they do the news again, show a movie, and are now trying to push their way into scripted content with the Arrangement.

It's madness and you can do this with dozens of channels across all the big media companies.

I imagine shows being available on-demand and online has really hurt the viability of their back catalog. Marathons of older seasons and episodes made sense in a world where you might need to catch up or watch something you've missed. Now it's all available.

My prediction is that we'll see a lot of these channels get condensed over the next two years, especially as carriage contracts expire. It may mean that we'll actually see these cable channels begin to program full weeks of programming instead of literally airing one new thing on a Monday night and rerunning it throughout the week.
 
Stumpokapow said:
I guess if not having them meant a reduction of programming diversity or risk-taking in the marketplace, that's bad but if not having them meant the same shows would land elsewhere then consumers are unaffected.

So the question is sort of whether you think Netflix--or Amazon or AMC or FX or HBO or...-would buy the next Bates Motel (maybe), the next RuPaul's drag race (honestly most of the ascendant cable and digital nets are pretty bad at reality programming and especially competition reality so probably not, although Bravo is a natural destination), or the next shitty 8 episode murder mystery (surprised there aren't more of these already) or if you think those networks were actually picking up on latent unsatisfied demand
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I think that on the fictional level you might see a minor loss, but at the same time, it will focus the budget more. I think a lot of companies are now forcing budget over channels that don't have a reason to live.
 
CBS Touts TCR Ratings Gains As Other Networks Skeptical About New Nielsen Metric

CBS’s The Big Bang Theory bagged an additional 4.44 million viewers for the first 13 week of this TV season, in Total Content Ratings measuring viewing live plus 35 days across multiple viewing platforms including VOD, TV and DVR. That’s 22% better than the comedy series’ Live + 7 Day total viewer stats for the season.

Nielsen has been sending the stats since the season started, but networks were not allowed to report them or use them until the start of March.
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n December, NBCUniversal sent a letter to Nielsen warning it had “deep concerns” that Total Content Ratings (TCR), which also would add ratings for digital viewing of TV shows to the current numbers, were “not ready for release.” the Comcast-owned company told Nielsen in a letter.

NBCU’s letter, from Advertising Sales and Client Partnerships Chairman Linda Yaccarino, said TCR is “far from meeting” requirements that it offer “a reasonable degree of accuracy and transparency” — making its release “premature” and “irresponsible.”
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TCR data does not include commercial minutes, which tend to be lower rated. Stripping out commercial minutes automatically boosts TCR ratings compared to the Live + 7 ratings that networks have been reporting the past few seasons. It also makes the new stats less relevant to advertisers, some critics say.

But proponents argue the TCR data is of value to a network brokering licensing and international deals. And Poltrack argues the data is important from a cultural perspective.

“It does address the perception, that people are watching less television in general,” Poltrack said, noting the data CBS issued today shows viewing of the network’s entertainment series exceeding live viewing 15 years ago. And that does affect advertising, Polatrack insisted, in that there is a misconception among some advertisers’ decision makers that they should “spend more money on digital because people are not watching television.”
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kurahador said:
How is Bates Motel really? I thought it's like Dexter, but after a couple of episodes it seems more of a CW teen drama?
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I've heard that the first season sucks and it isn't until the second season they figure out it's the Vera Farmiga show and gets decent.
 
Stumpokapow said:
With Bates Motel ending in a month or so, A&E is down to just The Frankenstein Chronicles and reality garbage, and the only thing I can find in development is Jake Gyllenhaal's production company working on a Jonestown series which hasn't been mentioned since being announced -- and HBO is also working on a Jonestown series with Vince Gilligan so I honestly doubt the Gyllenhaal project will happen. And Frankenstein Chronicles is a US syndication of a British show. Another network out of original programming?

Speaking of that, everyone thinks Logo is being shut down since RuPaul's Drag Race got moved to Bravo for this season and Logo has nothing else.
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I wish that more networks got into the import business of shows. Netflix, PBS, and now AMC and FX (with The Night Manager and Taboo) seem to be the only ones, whereas A&E and others could fill in so many gaps in their programming by bringing over smaller shows that could use more of an audience. I'm sure they can find shows that stay with their brand and message!

But yeah, for A&E, they have The Frankenstein Chronicles like you mentioned, they have Rosario Dawson's comic miniseries optioned, and then there's their reality stable. Not sure what they have in the pipeline for the rest of the year, originals-wise.
 
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