Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.

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Colin's conservatism isn't really the issue here. I think his opinions are dumb and stupid, but being a conservative alone doesn't necessarily make you a bad dude.

This is the fallout of Colin's casual sexism. Which no amount of "he was just joking" should excuse. That was an incredibly inappropriate "joke" to make.
 
I find it interesting to hear Greg say he thinks Colin's joke wasn't for laughs but for groans at the PAX panel. Intent IS important, as I'm sure Colin himself would agree.
 
Can someone link me to the video and timecode where Tim and Greg were supposedly annoyed when Colin was talking about minorities? The one that the guy from destructoid was talking about
 
Colin's conservatism isn't really the issue here. I think his opinions are dumb and stupid, but being a conservative alone doesn't necessarily make you a bad dude.

This is the fallout of Colin's casual sexism. Which no amount of "he was just joking" should excuse. That was an incredibly inappropriate "joke" to make.

It wasn't the joke that did this. Though it didn't help.
 
So like 99% of left leaning GAF and Twitter.

Okay? Not sure how that relates to the original point.

I'm not asking for a thesis or to have ground breaking insight. He didn't share my views, he spoke in a reasonable manner, if not brash (like everyone in the thread), and he was entertaining to me.

And basing from this thread a lot of people who criticize Colin for his views could probably use some Poli Sci 101 or basic American history refreshers.

Your original point made it sound like listening to contrary points and opinions is something only a few people do.

My point was that plenty of people listen to opposing points so long as they have some nuance or depth worth listening too.

Being talked down by Colin on minority issues isn't something most care to partake in. So no, I think most of GAF would school Colin in empathy and politics. He's not that smart in this stuff.
 
All of the quotes fulfill what I'm talking about, which is jumping to wild conclusions and deciding to be outraged over what is misinformation or a complete lack of information altogether.
Don't move the goal posts. Your point was that dozens of people were imputing a belief in eliminating taxes purely from looking at his Twitter handle, not that people were making arguments you disagreed with.
 
KF is not a platform for that though. That's the whole issue.
To be fair, I've heard poop talk, toe fungus talk, video game talk, I just watched Colin talk praise the Democrats and saying how to take out Trump, (prompted by Greg to do so)
They talk about everything on the morning show. KoF is more than just games, it's a catch all nerd community.
 
He'll be a miss on the show. Not liking the character assassination in this thread though.

"Character Assassination" implying that somehow he's fhte fucking victim? Get some perspective, nobody told this guy to go show what a fucking clown he was, or to be that clown in the first place.

Nobody in this thread hacked the dude's twitter and somehow made those idiotic posts for him, nobody in this thread impersonated him to Glenn Beck.
 
I just did a quick search over the last handful of pages for phrases like "racist", "supremacist", "alt-right", etc.. All of the quotes fulfill what I'm talking about, which is jumping to wild conclusions and deciding to be outraged over what is misinformation or a complete lack of information altogether. I'll gladly find a few more if you'd like.
Last handful? One of your examples is from 40 pages ago
 
I just did a quick search over the last handful of pages for phrases like "racist", "supremacist", "alt-right", etc.. All of the quotes fulfill what I'm talking about, which is jumping to wild conclusions and deciding to be outraged over what is misinformation or a complete lack of information altogether. I'll gladly find a few more if you'd like.
You quoted me and I'm not misinformed. I've heard colin discuss taxes on many occasions. He thinks income tax should be illegal. I didn't just infer that from his stupid twitter handle.
 
"Character Assassination" implying that somehow he's fhte fucking victim? Get some perspective, nobody told this guy to go show what a fucking clown he was, or to be that clown in the first place.

Nobody in this thread hacked the dude's twitter and somehow made those idiotic posts for him, nobody in this thread impersonated him to Glenn Beck.

No. Stop jumping to fucking conclusions.

Calling him an "Alt-right nazi" is character assassination
 
Quick Google search about Colins thoughts on taxes:

https://mobile.twitter.com/notaxation/status/665727338433220609



Looks like theres lots of video too about him and taxes. Not about to go down that rabbit hole.
Ermmm am I reading this right, so:
20% tax on goods and that's it?

Does that include income tax too?

The way it's worded makes it seem like the only tax you would pay is on non essential goods. If that's the case that's basically what the UK already has but minus income tax etc. And if that's the case I don't know how that's meant to be anywhere near enough.
 
Same for me. Greg was the cheerleader and Colin the Grouch, they played well off each other. I truly did enjoy his business insights into the industry.

RIP Waterman too

Oh, I didn't even think about the Waterman skit. Now I'm sad again :c

I'm going to miss when they read listener mail, and they start with "HEY COLIN AND GREG!" and then Greg awkward pauses, waiting for Colin to say "Hello" or "Mmmm".

Or the game they only intro'd last week when Colin starts reading the Playstation Blog post game descriptions, and Greg has to guess the ends of the sentences.

Damn, this just sucks.
 
Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?

We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?

It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.

Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.
Good post and I 100% agree.
 
Okay? Not sure how that relates to the original point.



Your original point made it sound like listening to contrary points and opinions is something only a few people do.

My point was that plenty of people listen to opposing points so long as they have some nuance or depth worth listening too.

Being talked down by Colin on minority issues isn't something most care to partake in. So no, I think most of GAF would school Colin in empathy and politics. He's not that smart in this stuff.

Why?

Why do I need to hear opposing points and have to be some type of "X" standard that's far and above the average take on something? I listened to what I think was the part where Colin "talked down to minorities", and I really didn't hear him talk down to people. He threw cultural appropriation under a bus, which I disagree with in part because I think on a lot of issues it does exist, but most of what he said is within reason, and not exactly all that controversial. It's a debate/issue that exists today, so hearing him talk about it was interesting to me, even if I disagree with the second part of his argument.

I get it, a lot of people don't like Colin's views, so when he would interject with or without reason on a subject it would annoy/piss people off. Colin wasn't breaking ground, I never said he was. He made reasonable arguments in a mostly articulate manner, moving the goalpost and saying that it's not valid because they don't live up to your standard isn't my issue.

If we made everyone live up to having to have political takes that have depth or nuance we would have like 10 posters on GAF who could write about politics.
 
Ermmm am I reading this right, so:
20% tax on goods and that's it?

Does that include income tax too?

The way it's worded makes it seem like the only tax you would pay is on non essential goods. If that's the case that's basically what the UK already has but minus income tax etc. And if that's the case I don't know how that's meant to be anywhere near enough.
Yes, he thinks income tax should be abolished. He believes in a value added tax like youre describing.
 
He assassinated his own character the sort of things he has said about diversity, the poor, and women's rights.

Oh, no doubt he has said some truly stupid shit, but people are going too far with some of the things they're saying.
 
You didn't say income taxes when I quoted you. You said no taxation period.
I guess I should have been clearer, I assumed everyone was talking about income tax. I added "period" because people were all "lol calm down guyz he just means no taxation without representation lol"
 
My issue with Colin was never his politics (though I disagree with them), it's the fact that he's become a troll. I'm actually quite sad about this because he could have remained a positive part of Kinda Funny had he not devolved into this behaviour, but his deliberate antagonising was attracting a toxic crowd.

Looking over the past year or so, I suspect this was a deliberate career move on his part. Had he been the respectful voice he claimed to be, he'd sail along without much drama. But now he can claim he was bullied out of his career by the left and - judging from this thread - there's plenty of material for him to point at for evidence. He stoked the flames of this divide and will now profit from it in his clear trajectory in becoming a political pundit.

Perhaps it's all coincidence, but I don't believe Colin doesn't understand how this was all going to play out. His Twitter persona doesn't even match his character on the show, which - like many trolls - shows it was created with a specific purpose in mind. It's a cynical manipulation, and ultimately a waste of someone who I think is genuinely talented.
 
Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?

We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?

It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.

Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.
Don't be sorry, it's one of the most sensible posts I've read here. :)

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Why?

Why do I need to hear opposing points and have to be some type of "X" standard that's far and above the average take on something? I listened to what I think was the part where Colin "talked down to minorities", and I really didn't hear him talk down to people. He threw cultural appropriation under a bus, which I disagree with in part because I think on a lot of issues it does exist, but most of what he said is within reason, and not exactly all that controversial. It's a debate/issue that exists today, so hearing him talk about it was interesting to me, even if I disagree with the second part of his argument.

I get it, a lot of people don't like Colin's views, so when he would interject with or without reason on a subject it would annoy/piss people off. Colin wasn't breaking ground, I never said he was. He made reasonable arguments in a mostly articulate manner, moving the goalpost and saying that it's not valid because they don't live up to your standard isn't my issue.

If we made everyone live up to having to have political takes that have depth or nuance we would have like 10 posters on GAF who could write about politics.

Okay, and I'm not sure I understand. I was addressing your post about some listening to others for a contrary point of view. You made it seem like it's a thing that some do and others don't. I pointed out that others do as well, just not for supremely basic analysis.

And you didn't think he talked down to minorities. That's great. The guy talked down to me in his podcast thread based on assumptions he pulled from his ass. And his ego makes it so theres almost no merit in having a discussion with him.
 
People of all beliefs jump to conclusions and get angry. One side has copyrighted the terms outrage and outrage culture so in the inevitable event someone who disagrees is mad and not fully informed, it makes that side look wise and prescient.
Yeah, it is so stupid. What the hell do you call all the conservatives that were freaking it over everything Obama did or those that freak out about "happy holidays"? How is that not "outrage culture"?
 
I remember the last time i listened to the podcast, it was Colin standing up for himself and the Twitter trolls. And had a go at them. He stood his ground. That time i unsubscribed from the podcast as the show felt toxic with him on. Now i check this thread and I'm not surprised he is leaving. Looks like he lost, and the guys who challenged him on Twitter did what they needed to do.

Goodbye and you won't be missed.
 
Don't be sorry, it's one of the most sensible posts I've read here. :)

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I just think it's important to call someone being an asshole an asshole, without that instantly going from we've done that, up next, who can we target who is friends with the person? That kind of collective tarring actually gets quite sinister at times if you ask me.

Colins friends aren't responsible for how Colin behaves, and you know what, in the majority of situations they probably do debate him and call him out. They just know him as the sum of his parts and there may well be some good in the guy. I think it's a good lesson to remember we've all got less than perfect family and friends, and none of us would like to be collectively blamed for our own family and friends fucking up, and nor would we like to get dictated to who we are allowed to be friends with. Life is messy and complex, and no one is perfect. Sure, on the asshole scale some of us are bigger assholes than others, but CM is a bit of a small fry (and inconsequential in regards to anything actually political, he's a commentator at most), hence me earlier stating this is really just the online culture war at play.

Colin's biggest mistake, other than being an insensitive jack ass, is doing so in front of an audience just waiting for this scale of a fuck up to torch the guy and everything around him. The everything around him part is what I really don't like to see at times. Calling for his job is questionable enough, but going after his friends and people who call him a friend, that's pretty insane. It turns some from a merely being critical of Colin, to someone on a hunt for blood. In relation to what I refer to as the culture war, I often think that is just pent up anger and frustration at society spilling over into someone needs to pay for the way things are.
 
I don't think this was a fallout of his sexism. Naturally the others completely disagreed with what he did and/or was doing, but it's not a fallout. He's been saying controversial stuff like that for years - no reason for it to suddenly change things now.

I think I'm just going to believe what they have been publicly saying about the whole time. IE this:

- Colin really wants to do other things, IE talk about politics at a professional level (hence all his various appearances on political talk shows), which is something that conflicts directly with his schedule at Kinda Funny. It' something he's more passionate about than games.
- The ideas Colin wanted to do for new content were likely based heavily around his passion for politics, and it was something that Greg, Tim, etc. didn't think was the right direction for Kinda Funny. They publicly stated that the direction Colin wanted to take Kinda Funny in and the direction the rest wanted to go in were at odds with each other.
- There was a high chance that if the three of them and Colin continued to butt heads over the direction of Kinda Funny, the end result would be folks who are purely working there as jobs, but they hate even being in the same room together and their friendship ultimately dissolves.

This is basically what they have said publicly. I have no reason to not believe it. I'm going to miss him. He had smart things to say about games and the gaming culture and his Colin Was Right Show, agree or disagree, was really well thought out and put together. I understand why many dislike him, but it's hard to deny he did occasionally have some amazing commentary about video games.
 
Yes, he thinks income tax should be abolished. He believes in a value added tax like youre describing.
But how the fuck is that meant to be enough to cover what needs to be done?

Is his belief in the free market so blinding that he really feels like you can cut government so much and that private companies are suddenly going to step in and save the day?

I knew he had ridiculous ideas but didn't know the full details.
 
Can someone link me to the video and timecode where Tim and Greg were supposedly annoyed when Colin was talking about minorities? The one that the guy from destructoid was talking about

I've seen most of their content and I don't remember that. Not saying that doesn't exist, but I don't know what it's talking about.
 
Ive been a passionate fan of Kinda Funny and Greg and Colin for a long time. But I can't pretend that the past year, Colin just hadn't been the same. He became vitriolic and sensitive and pessimistic and always seemed to go on diatribes against perceived slights against the freedom of speech and liberalism, Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters and holding liberals to standard that he just doesn't seem interesting in holding conservatives to. And whenever people brought it up he would play the victim and say he was being attacked. He left the Facebook group because of peoples disagreement with him. To some extent, I get it. When you're under a lens every word you say is analyzed and torn apart and maybe it got to him, and he already seemed to deal with depression and all that. So maybe a symptom of that is his increased cynicism.

But of all the guys while he may get a lot of flak he also has one of the most fervent fanbases, a lot of that stems from his politics. He certainly seemed to start bringing in a certain breed of people that makes being a part of the community tough, sometimes. And thats not to say disagreement is the issue. I am more than happy to debate and disagree with conservatives and all that, as I have in the past. I have had many healthy debates. But when you become regressive and resort to name calling 'humorless sacks of shit' , 'snowflakes' or play the victim whenever someone calls you out on your BS then I have to walk away. And thats what I had been doing with Colin over the past few months. It started with unfollowing him on Twitter, and altogether not listening to his topics on GOG anymore. I never even started watching Colin Was Right because I knew that his brand of criticism just isn't for me. His debate with Adam Boyes on twitter over curation of the PSN store really highlighted this for me. He isn't able or willing, anymore, to consider another person's point of view. And when all you do is listen to yourself talk and not have any real opposing thought, it becomes mindless and a big circlejerk.

I wont say I am happy Colin is moving on, because I do like PS I Love You. But even on that and Gamescast he became hard to listen to. This week he goes on a diatribe about Nintendo Bias because he doesn't agree with the general consensus regarding Zelda (Jim Sterling not withstanding.) Nintendo, according to him, gets a pass because of how long they have been in the industry, apparently its a pass that isnt afforded companies like Capcom or Square that have been in the industry almost as long and are just as influential. Whenever ever you disagree with Colin there's some conspiracy theory or ulterior motive, or agenda. So I think this is for the best. The people who want that sort of thing will get it in whatever he does next, and I will be happy to support Greg, Tim, Nick, Kevin and whomever else they bring on, because they are fun to listen to, but also critical when its needed. They are passionate about things, and I miss that.
 
Oh, I didn't even think about the Waterman skit. Now I'm sad again :c

I'm going to miss when they read listener mail, and they start with "HEY COLIN AND GREG!" and then Greg awkward pauses, waiting for Colin to say "Hello" or "Mmmm".

Or the game they only intro'd last week when Colin starts reading the Playstation Blog post game descriptions, and Greg has to guess the ends of the sentences.

Damn, this just sucks.

Exactly. They can find someone with Playstation knowledge to fill in, but its the little things like this that made the show great
 
That digitalrelic is not being objective and is part of the outrage culture they're criticising.
I didn't read any outrage in his comments. Just that the kneejerk reaction to Colin's twitter handle kind of proves that specific point from Colin.
 
Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?

We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?

It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.

Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.

Looks like you completely misunderstood my post when I was trying to say that it's cool to be friends/relationship with someone who's somewhat politically beyond the pale, so I'm not disagreeing with you or at least you're criticizing something I didn't say. I also think you're attributing something to me and/or the topic with this, but I guess that's for another thread.
 
Exactly. They can find someone with Playstation knowledge to fill in, but its the little things like this that made the show great

The Colin and Greg chemistry pretty much came from Beyond as well. That's where it all began. In regards to PlayStation knowledge, ironically as it goes, the average well tuned GAFer probably has more PS knowledge :P

As expected, a lot of these commentators are entertainers first before complete knowledge fountains. They do get access to info the average person doesn't, though. I more so mean you're better off searching GAF for information on 4K HDR TVs and PS4 Pro settings. That kind of technical PS info.

Colin's biggest downfall was always politics, as a duo act with Greg as entertainers, they were two of the best in their Beyond days. It just goes to show there is people behind personas, and some are just better at masking themselves to be professional, or strictly be an entertainer in the public eye. The little you actually know socially or politically about some of your favourite industry mouth pieces will show you how guarded most in the public eye will try to be. Some, I presume because they don't want their careers torched. Of course Colin was abrasive on top of openly opinionated, which just isn't a good mix when you're catering to a diverse listening group. In that sense, he probably should be a political commentator if he cannot keep his thoughts to himself to do gaming in his job.

Looks like you completely misunderstood my post when I was trying to say that it's cool to be friends/relationship with someone who's somewhat politically beyond the pale, so I'm not disagreeing with you or at least you're criticizing something I didn't say. I also think you're attributing something to me and/or the topic with this, but I guess that's for another thread.

Sorry, my bad, I've clearly misread your post.
 
I didn't read any outrage in his comments. Just that the kneejerk reaction to Colin's twitter handle kind of proves that specific point from Colin.
That kneejerk reaction goes both ways when you condemn "dozens" of people for doing a specific thing and then are completely unable to back that claim up
 
The abolishment of taxing and preservation of private property rights is a pretty typical talking point for AnCaps.

And AnCaps are not anarchist. They fundamentally misunderstand what anarchism is about (i.e. one of its main tenets is "property is theft"). I find it personally insulting that they see it fit to include themselves in the spectrum.
 
I didn't read any outrage in his comments. Just that the kneejerk reaction to Colin's twitter handle kind of proves that specific point from Colin.

If their kneejerk reaction in misinterpreting some of those quoted posts is not outrage then neither are the quoted posts that misinterpreted Colin.
 
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