2016-17 TV Cancellations Thread: TNT finds "Nothing can come of nothing."

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Hah, I guess I can't legitimately watch all the TV I would watch without giving up something else, so the compromise I made was to put them on in the background. I "watched" all of Love during my Horizon Zero Dawn playthrough, for example.

Probably the only TV that definitely gets my relatively full attention is anime, but that's out of necessity than by design.
 
I'm curious, do you guys actually "watch" all that TV?

I'm using shows as podcasts for the most part. I don't know if I've really found a show that I must actually "watch" without doing something else in recent years.
(Well, maybe Legion I suppose).

Twelve hours late answering this, haha.

I'm not really a casual watcher, I try and lock into what I'm watching. I have a bad habit of pausing during hour-long shows, but the more captivating shows break that from me.

I try and watch 3-4 hours of TV a day, though I watched a bunch of movies instead last week and I'm hopelessly behind now!

But yeah, Sundays are cruel. Lately it had been Tuesdays, but Sundays are now back and bigger than ever.
 
- LA Times: Writers Guild of America starts contract talks as streaming residuals take center stage
Amid a tense labor atmosphere in Hollywood, the Writers Guild of America began contract negotiations Monday in what is expected to be a tough round of talks as the industry continues to grapple with digital upheaval.

The WGA, which counts about 13,000 members between its East and West Coast guilds, is sitting down at the Sherman Oaks headquarters of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, which represents the major studios, TV networks and independent producers.

The closed-door talks will focus on a new contract to replace the current three-year agreement that was reached in 2014 and expires May 1.

Experts say that residual payments related to streaming services like Netflix, Amazon and Hulu are likely to be among the biggest points of discussion in the days ahead.

Guilds like the WGA want to “make sure their members are being paid in a way that's commensurate with the money studios are making off of streaming video,” said Dan Stone, an attorney at Greenberg Glusker who specializes in entertainment and media.

With traditional movie and TV distribution, there was a certain level of financial transparency that enabled unions to work out residual payments with the studios, said Stone, who previously served as assistant general counsel at the Directors Guild of America.

“But that transparency hasn't been there for the streaming services,” he said. “It's mostly subscription-driven so it's been difficult for the guilds to come up with a residuals formula.… You never know what's going on inside the room … but the WGA seems to have been signaling to its membership that it's willing to go to the mat on this issue.”
The last major WGA strike was the 2007-08 walkout that lasted 100 days and paralyzed much of the industry. The work stoppage affected movie and TV production and took on a celebrity dimension when a number of actors and TV personalities joined the screenwriters on the picket lines in a show of solidarity.

The longest walkout in the guild’s history was its 1988 strike, which lasted 155 days.
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Ratings continue to be unavailable from Nielsen. The last release of data was on Monday afternoon (on time) with the official live+same day nationals for Friday 3.10.2017 (broadcast and cable). Fast nationals and official nationals for Saturday and Sunday 3.11-12.2017 are now past due with no rescheduled release times in sight. And now fast nationals for Monday 3.13.2017 have missed their release time. Nielsen reportedly suffer a power outage at a data center over the weekend during a major system upgrade. No further details are available at this time.

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Hah, I guess I can't legitimately watch all the TV I would watch without giving up something else, so the compromise I made was to put them on in the background. I "watched" all of Love during my Horizon Zero Dawn playthrough, for example.

Probably the only TV that definitely gets my relatively full attention is anime, but that's out of necessity than by design.

Rocket League is my tv watching game.

For crap like Arrow, Flash etc I find I barely have to pay attention.
 
Hey, at least they have good tv-on-dvd residuals from last time . . . . .

But will South Park make another episode using non-union labor telling union workers that the internet isn't serious and that they're stupid for expecting to get paid from it?
 
I thought the This Is Us finale was a little weak. They had built up this huge expectation and then I thought they whiffed on it. Felt like dragging things out.
 
Even John Lithgow is off. Which makes this even weirder.

Yep. You're spot on with that.

...

Also, the more preview I see for "nobodies" the more I am interested in it. It seems like a comedy that usually isn't on TV Land and would show up on FX/FXX or Showtime. New commercial for it yesterday made it look pretty good with a good set of guest stars. Looking forward to it as well as Lopez at the end of the month.
 
I thought the This Is Us finale was a little weak. They had built up this huge expectation and then I thought they whiffed on it. Felt like dragging things out.

I don't see how they can possibly keep this show fresh, but then I say that about *every* show. I really hope there's some vision here, and not just 'now what?'.
 
Milo was on Heroes, too. I hope this isn't the ex-Cub curse of TV, because there's NO better example of S1-S2 disaster than Heroes.

I blame the writer's strike (even though it was going off the rails before it).

Which is interesting, because this new one, if it happened, would likely upset the start of This Is Us' second season... unless they just hold off till midseason.
 
I blame the writer's strike (even though it was going off the rails before it).

Which is interesting, because this new one, if it happened, would likely upset the start of This Is Us' second season... unless they just hold off till midseason.

The writer's strike was an interesting time to watch network TV. What I most think of is the truncated and bizarre unplanned S2 ending for FNL, which feels very jarring in an initial watch or rewatch (I love the show, though).

Edit: for any interested, here's a list of shows affected by the strike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_the_2007–08_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike_on_television

Edit 2: and I always forget that this led to the unplanned end of S1 of Breaking Bad, also.
 
The writer's strike was an interesting time to watch network TV. What I most think of is the truncated and bizarre unplanned S2 ending for FNL, which feels very jarring in an initial watch or rewatch (I love the show, though).

Edit: for any interested, here's a list of shows affected by the strike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_the_2007–08_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike_on_television

Edit 2: and I always forget that this led to the unplanned end of S1 of Breaking Bad, also.

That's a good list, thanks for this! For me it's the Breaking Bad, Heroes, and Lost ones. Friday Night Lights I watched after it aired, and its second season is so abrupt, haha.

The Lost one is super interesting, since that season was perfect for me and I never realized it was two less than originally planned. They managed to spin that one well.
 
That's a good list, thanks for this! For me it's the Breaking Bad, Heroes, and Lost ones. Friday Night Lights I watched after it aired, and its second season is so abrupt, haha.

The Lost one is super interesting, since that season was perfect for me and I never realized it was two less than originally planned. They managed to spin that one well.

Sure thing! Yeah, FNL S2 has some unusual choices and plotlines but I feel pretty certain based on the other finales that they would have had something more exciting planned for the would-be finale than a Peter Berg cameo.

It is pretty remarkable to think of how the show really righted the ship with S3 and got back to, or surpassed, the quality of S1 after an IMO solid but not as stellar S2.
 
DVR numbers must be good (they usually are for FX shows) because the live viewership numbers leaves to be desired.
The L7 numbers have typically been +150% on the same day ratings. It's not putting up huge numbers, but it's doing fine for FX, the demo numbers skew very young, they like working with Hawley, and it received critical praise. That's enough for FX to renew.
 
Sure thing! Yeah, FNL S2 has some unusual choices and plotlines but I feel pretty certain based on the other finales that they would have had something more exciting planned for the would-be finale than a Peter Berg cameo.

It is pretty remarkable to think of how the show really righted the ship with S3 and got back to, or surpassed, the quality of S1 after an IMO solid but not as stellar S2.

Yeah, it's a real impressive jump back in quality. They had a good team behind them (and I think a lot of them moved over to Parenthood).

Legion renewed by FX for S2

Crashing renewed by HBO for S2

Master of None S2 premieres May 12.

The Good Fight renewed by CBS All Access for S2

Today is good news day!
 
The writer's strike was an interesting time to watch network TV. What I most think of is the truncated and bizarre unplanned S2 ending for FNL, which feels very jarring in an initial watch or rewatch (I love the show, though).

Edit: for any interested, here's a list of shows affected by the strike:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_the_2007–08_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike_on_television

Edit 2: and I always forget that this led to the unplanned end of S1 of Breaking Bad, also.

Pushing Daisies =(
 
Wait, American Crime on ABC has muted "fucks" and the screen goes black for a second so you can't read the actors' lips???

Yup.

Also yay for The Good Fight. Star Trek is absolutely getting renewed.


Yeah, it's a bit weird when people don't think that CBS doesn't know what they're doing with this. iirc, on their last earnings call, they were getting close to 2 million subscribers. They want 4 million by 2020. Completely doable.
 
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