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What does any of that matter? Milo is a gay, too. Surprise surprise, people's sexuality and their self-proclaimed political label can be different than what their actions say!
Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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What does any of that matter? Milo is a gay, too. Surprise surprise, people's sexuality and their self-proclaimed political label can be different than what their actions say!
Ninja Scooter
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So, like shouldn't this apply to him as well? Should people not be able to criticize him without it quickly and almost immediately devolving to the outrage of "you are all humorless sacks of shit!"? Is this not the same thing?
Agreed. I very rarely read any threads other than 2-3 retro community ones on here, but when I do there always seems to be a great post by Audioboxer for me to appreciate.
thekiddfran
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Man this tread is mess. I am shocked it hasn't been closed at this stage.
I suggest ye all watch the Rubin Report, it was very interesting
I suggest ye all watch the Rubin Report, it was very interesting
theangrypirate
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His departure from KF is still fresh, I'm positive that if NPR wanted to chat with him he would. I personally would love to see him sit down and chat with a feminist or progressive.
Arkage
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I largely blame social media and digital communication for these issues. People are incentivized to stay wrapped up in bubbles and surround themselves only with yes-man types, and feel the joy of collective outrage when someone doesn't pass their purity test. It's kind of similar to public tar-and-featherings, a thrill of collectively shaming an individual, a concept that seemingly had a resurrection thanks to the digital age. SJW vs Nazi. Everyone has to take a side, label the agreed-upon opponents, there is no middle ground in sight, because people are either good or evil. Say you agree, or become an enabler, which is just as bad.
Holundrian
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The only thing this thread has reaffirmed is that extending your hand to the other side is a time waste. They will ignore any elaborate points you make and peddle with ignorant statements and nurturing a false narrative and do anything to appear in a better light. The one thing they will not do is truly engage cause they know they have 0 ground to stand on without basically confirming the accusations made in the first place. I've seen countless well written post made in here explaining the real problems only for people to ignore and make the same shitty arguments over and over and over and basically derail and distract without ever engaging.
It truly just makes me think why should anyone give an inch of tolerance to the intolerance of other people fullstop.
It truly just makes me think why should anyone give an inch of tolerance to the intolerance of other people fullstop.
Darryl M R
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That doesn't change that your earlier statement is false.
Until then, he is residing closely to the right sharing thoughts that aren't being opposed.
You debate about as well as Colin, don't reply to my posts if you aren't going to actually say anything
Goose_Se7en
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The thread itself (as toxic towards Colin and folks who support him have become) is fine. I don't get why it's in the gaming section when the original topic of Colin leaving KF, is the last thing anyone is worried about, let alone discussing.
Dude Abides
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How was it not a mistake. Do you agree with it?
Yes I know about Dave Rubin. He's a classical liberal in the Gilded Age sense (except when it might upset people who like Trump), which means a conservative who's liberal on a handful of personal freedom issues. His schtick is to act like a disaffected modern liberal to get views and because he supports gay marriage and pro-choice while he brings a parade of right wingers who hate Muslims on his show and mindlessly agrees with them. He's either very dumb or very dishonest and it doesn't matter much which it is.
theangrypirate
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Yep, it should go both ways. Where did he call everyone humorless sacks of shit?
Outrage is just a word that means criticism now. It's a meaningless term. The thing people actually want to avoid is dissenting responses. I highly doubt anyone flew into an unstoppable rage upon seeing his women's day tweet.
And him being a white guy is absolutely relevant. None of this stuff happens in a vacuum. Hundreds of years of American history have led to very different dynamics and contexts for people based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. No one is immediately discounting his perspective simply because he's a white guy. The problem is his premise is so flawed it simply isn't even feasible. The idea of women or people of color having the ability to say whatever they want in America is absolutely laughable because they face differential consequences than white men who are often allowed to say more, in many contexts. Further, the fact that he frames the potential negatives of speech as being potentially labeled as a sexist or racist, is more evidence of all of this being slanted toward his perspective. He isn't concerned about equity for everyone everywhere, he's concerned about Colin getting to say shit Colin wants to say.
Ninja Scooter
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On twitter, when people criticized him for his stupid ass women joke.
And I'm glad he said it again cause i didnt see it the first time.
Shows what an egotistic snowflake colin is
H.Cornerstone
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ScientificPizza
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Guys you can bring up hollow examples of Colin being open to criticism that are easily shot down over and over, but you're only allowed to show specific examples of this not being true once
firehawk12
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But he put LOL at the end, so it's okay.
theangrypirate
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Saying he sticks his fingers in his ears and screams victim says equally nothing. You have not provided any specific argument you just claim he is playing victim ignoring everyone. Very convincing.
Anton Sugar
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He didn't say that phrase, but directly said that he doesn't believe anyone was offended by his tweet. In spite of, you know, reality.
That doesn't sound like someone who's open to addressing criticism.
Colin Moriarty is not a moderate in any sense of the word. He just likes to portray himself as one
Jeff Session is a blatant unapologetic racist who is publicly pushing racist policies.
Declaring support for them and claiming they would vote for them is you know, supporting racism.
Especially someone supporting Sessions who in the past has made disparaging remarks about black lives matter supporters like Colin has done. These are the actions of someone with racist tendencies.
Ninja Scooter
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Nothing says "open minded" quite like dismissing any opposing opinions or views in one fell swoop before they are even voiced.
"I support Colin 100% and I'm all for free speech."
"Please close this topic because people are saying things I disagree with."
God, that quote about people not having anyone to speak up for them. I think it's funny how the right are so convinced that they don't have a voice.
It's also funny to me that the people who will shout about freedom of speech to defend hate speech from people like Milo will immediately turn around and scream about censorship or character assassination when anyone criticizes them.
I mean, go to any thread where he engaged on GAF and look at what he does.
It's all "lol GAF being GAF," "my friends think I'm so reasonable, idk why you can't just accept their word for it instead of taking my arguments at face value," "I'm so important for being a talking head, being a conservative, and you're all internet men children so shut up!"
Thinking about PS I Love you thread and his most recent appearance. And his Colin Was Right thread appearances.
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well i, for one, don't want some humorless sack of shit LOL to be speaking out for me.
H.Cornerstone
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The Funny thing is, if he treats people who claim to be his fans that way, just imagine how he treats his enemies....
Arkage
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And one year after this quote, thanks to MLK's persistence, moderate white Americans passed the Civil Rights Act. Whether you like it or not, you live in a democracy, and to get a law passed or change made you still need to convince large swaths of moderate white Americans to find an agreeable middle ground.
The later isn't brought up as a free-speech issue, it's brought as an argumentative fallacy (ad hominem). Especially when the words Nazi and fascist are being consistently used in extremely weak circumstances.
I've mentioned this before, but IBTimes isn't a news publication so much as a glorified content farm. To somehow impute a motive of the media-at-large from them not caring about accuracy and just shitting out an article in five minutes just makes you look like someone who doesn't care about accuracy and is just shitting out a post in less than five minutes.
theangrypirate
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Thanks, finally an actual response that says something. I agree with some of your points. I'm not sure I agree with the bolded, especially with respect to women. What types of things can a woman not say that a man is allowed? How about race?
ScientificPizza
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Saying he's not open to criticism is equal to saying nothing? Look at the way Colin has acted in the last week. He has refused to admit *any* kind of fault for his IWD tweet and the follow-up, going so far as to say on Glenn Beck's radio show that there is no way anyone could possibly be offended and this is just an ochesteated attack on him for ????
He has shown no humility or empathy in the past week and has combated every single instance of criticism by playing the victim and labelling anyone having a problem with the stupid bullshit he says as being a puritan.
If you don't see Colin playing the victim you are being willfully ignorant of the situation
theangrypirate
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Ah, thanks.
You are very ignorant about history if this is what you think happened. If it were left up to moderates of the time people like john lewis would have been getting clubbed while marching for decades more until moderates felt safe enough
If Hillary yelled and belittled the press and people she didn't like to the degree Trump did she would be described as "shrill" or "bitchy". If Obama did he would be seen as the angry black man stereotype.
Women and minorities can't get away with the same things as white man can get away with saying.
Imagine a young white man getting upset at a police officer vs a young black man. One can get away with it, one can't.
ScientificPizza
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Ninja Scooter
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Noted White Man Donald Trump: America doesn't win anymore, we aren't great anymore!
"Be our President!"
Noted Black Man Colin Kaepernick: America is not great if you are black
"Get the fuck out then, monkey!"
theangrypirate
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I think that is his biggest fault and thing most people have problems with. It's really shitty when people can't look at themselves and realize when they should apologize.
Anton Sugar
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I'm not going to sit here and rehash the same tweets and same videos that we have been discussing on GAF for weeks, I don't know if you're new to Colin threads but this has all been exhaustively covered. He literally blocks people on Twitter that try and debate him. He calls GAF an echo chamber because 8 out of 10 posts on a page say his comments are insensitive or out of line. He is seemingly incapable of empathy or self-relection, and instead of saying "hmmm a lot of women are very uncomfortable with casual sexism and misogyny in our culture right now, maybe I shouldn't make a stupid ass sexist joke on National Women's Day" he decides to trot out some tired 50s patriarchy bullshit and cry victim because people ganged up on him.
Dirtyshubb
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The thing that sticks out to me about this defence is that we always hear from Colins supporters about his intelligence, political/historical knowledge and support of diversity yet every time he says something shitty or supportis someone who is publicly known to be a piece of shit it's hand waved away and we hear 'maybe he doesn't know' or 'he supports them for a different reason'.
If he is so smart why does he constantly comment on things with no knowledge of its history?
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How can he support people who actively work against diversity?
You know who embraces Trumps polices and most of his appointments and attacked and mocked Kapernick? Colin Moriarty.
Women: http://time.com/money/4450406/men-interrupt-talk-more/
People identifying as black: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/409990/
Black and a woman: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22457894
Just an infinitely small sample of the articles and studies about it. Colin, a white man, decrying a lack of freedom to express himself is somewhat suspect already. Colin, a white man, decrying his lack of freedom to express himself in the form of a sexist joke, one that marginalizes women who already have less speech, is fucking rich.
But don't forget he's a moderate!
Honestly I wouldn't bother arguing with that poster. From reading their responses in here, they clearly have not read up on the problem, the arguments made about collin and his responses-all of which have been covered in this very thread. If youre ignorant of many basic facts of the situation, why are you even arguing a position in the first place, let alone charging that others aren't engaging him/her in discussion thats already been covered at length here.
theangrypirate
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I see.
Fuck Trump. I see your point.
To be fair, the media (rightfully and successfully) did all they could to portray Trump is a blithering idiot.
This is very true, as someone who lived in St Louis most my life, i've seen this first hand with black guys.
ScientificPizza
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Colin attacked Kapernick? At least tell me that it wasn't just the stand overly aggressive patriotic reasoning
Blackthorn
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Kinda Funny's videos are still getting downvoted and the comment sections are a cesspit.
If he's sincere in wanting them to do well, he should tell his trolls to back off.
If he's sincere in wanting them to do well, he should tell his trolls to back off.
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