"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes

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Don't forget the dude who was out to kill those black men was apparently motivated by the fear of being "cucked" by black men.

I legitimately think it's a deep-seated fear in these folks and it's evolved beyond a "cute" slang term.
 

Gattsu25

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does MLP in this context mean My Little Pony? It was the first thing on google

I hope it does. It makes that comment even more embarrassing.

Ohhhhh my god. That makes it even dumber than what I initially misread it as (thinking that MLPforums was just a random name for a forum).
 

Eusis

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People celebrating this don't seem to care that it was pulled because it was still too much healthcare.

That doesn't seem like good news.
I consider it good in the short term, dubious for the long term. They'll probably be unable to come to any agreement, but what happens come midterms? Will these kinds expand their seats? Will they lose ground? And WHY for either? Ideally this is a key step to the tea party being a dying fad, but who knows.
 

rjinaz

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Was he actually banned for that comment or something else?

This is pretty misleading but that's probably the point.

Besada posted shortly after stating he was trying to stir up shit on twitter about it then came back and tried to do it in the thread.

Its amusing how that whole thread talks about gaf being an echo chamber and how mods ban people that disagree with them lol snowflakes but you can't even say anything negative about Donald Trump over there without your posts being deleted.
 
Which is exactly why if Donald was actually a good negotiator (he's not) he would have tried to win moderate Dems to work with moderate Republicans to make changes. The only chance he really had at getting something passed would have been to go across the aisle.

He didn't even attempt that... and all the bullshit he's spewed at the left after winning the election meant that was going to be an uphill battle.

He's used to having yes men everywhere he went before because of his money. He's finding out now that big bank doesn't always take little bank in Washington.

He's a bully and negotiations with people smaller than him probably go well but put him up against someone with balls and he falls flat.
 

rec0ded1

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Not really. Republicans would strike it down, watch the ACA collapse from their meddling and blame Democrats.

I was thinking about this earlier. If the Democrats created a bill and was transparent with it so that they could get public approval for it, would it put pressure on the republicans?

Then reality set in and concluded that it would just be a shit show parade since everyone spins and argues about everything.
 
They're still using the term cuck?

It's quite humorous that the only people who probably actually would get offended at being called a cuck are the alt-right cuck-shouting people themselves. For everyone else I really don't think they think anything of the term, and probably just laugh at it. I think that fact is lost on the alt-right though.
 

VanMardigan

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The ACA has now been saved from almost certain oblivion by:

-Chief Justice John Roberts
-The tea party freedom caucus.


Wow.
 

rjinaz

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The ACA has now been saved from almost certain oblivion by:

-Chief Justice John Roberts
-The tea party freedom caucus.


Wow.

Yeah the right loves to talk about the in fighting of the Democrats, but, Republicans today showed it's their party that is truly divided. FC doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
 

pa22word

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Yeah the right loves to talk about the in fighting of the Democrats, but, Republicans today showed it's their party that is truly divided. FC doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

I mean this has been obvious for quite a while though.

Like I know it's common among leftist circles to demonize the right for being super obstructionist during Obama's tenure as some kind of ultra evil 7th dimensional chess move by GOP leaders, but in reality that was always mostly spin for how fucking crazy the far right in congress is. Hell Boehner fell almost entirely because he was a centrist who tried dealing with the president to just pass something to help people, even if he had to take a few Ls on something he wanted just to get there.
 

Tagyhag

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I'm glad this didn't pass, but I feel that the Republicans who didn't vote for it were thinking more "If this passes, my voters are going to be pissed that their insurance is gone, and my position and the party itself could be at risk" and less "If this passes, millions of human beings could be in serious danger".
 
I'm glad this didn't pass, but I feel that the Republicans who didn't vote for it were thinking more "If this passes, my voters are going to be pissed that their insurance is gone, and my position and the party itself could be at risk" and less "If this passes, millions of human beings could be in serious danger".

Politicians doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is as old as civilization...
 

Azuran

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Fuck Cheeto and fuck the GOP for being self-interest corporate loving crooks. That fact that this billed didn't pass because it was still too good for working class people says everything you need to know about that joke of a party.

I'm looking forward to day the WALL turns out to be another failure. Cheeto deserves everything that's coming to him for spewing inane rhetoric without a base in reality.
 
If George W. Bush, after 9/11 with 70% approval ratings, and control of all aspects of government couldn't get comprehensive tax reform, why can Trump? He's already showing he's a fraud, there is no master negotiator.
 

marrec

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If George W. Bush, after 9/11 with 70% approval ratings, and control of all aspects of government couldn't get comprehensive tax reform, why can Trump? He's already showing he's a fraud, there is no master negotiator.

It's clear the same exact thing will happen with tax reform. Moderates will want something moderate (shocking) the HFC will want something monumentally dumb (shocking) and it'll either die on the floor or be whittled down into such a small state that calling it "tax reform" would be insulting.
 

captive

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I'm glad this didn't pass, but I feel that the Republicans who didn't vote for it were thinking more "If this passes, my voters are going to be pissed that their insurance is gone, and my position and the party itself could be at risk" and less "If this passes, millions of human beings could be in serious danger".

I think it was more of "if this passes, not enough millions of people will lose their healthcare"



also this is so fucking hilarious.
 
It's clear the same exact thing will happen with tax reform. Moderates will want something moderate (shocking) the HFC will want something monumentally dumb (shocking) and it'll either die on the floor or be whittled down into such a small state that calling it "tax reform" would be insulting.

Meanwhile the democrats will be on sidelines laughing and/or crying.
 

Azuran

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If George W. Bush, after 9/11 with 70% approval ratings, and control of all aspects of government couldn't get comprehensive tax reform, why can Trump? He's already showing he's a fraud, there is no master negotiator.

It was obvious his entire "master negotiator" shtick was a farce the moment he failed to get Mexico to pay for this dumbass wall. Seriously, he got humiliated by fucking Pena Nieto of all people, someone who's just as incompetent as him. It that doesn't say it all, I don't know what will.
 

marrec

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Meanwhile the democrats will be on sidelines laughing and/or crying.

Democrats should be on the sidelines pushing a single-payer healthcare bill every chance they get, so that the GOP and Trumps failure on Healthcare is kept fresh in everyone's mind constantly.

But congressional democrats are fucking idiots so that won't happen.
 

Costia

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Can someone explain whats the talk about reconciliation, some kind of a deadline in April and a democratic filibuster? (i am not american)
 
Hell Boehner fell almost entirely because he was a centrist who tried dealing with the president to just pass something to help people, even if he had to take a few Ls on something he wanted just to get there.
But that's the thing, Boehner was not a centrist at all, he was a full blown small government conservative. He just had an understanding that politics sometimes requires you to negotiate towards the centre to get things done, and the Freedom Caucus would have none of that.
 

Vestal

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Can someone explain whats the talk about reconciliation, some kind of a deadline in April and a democratic filibuster? (i am not american)

Reconciliation is basically a mechanism of moving a bill through the senate without the necessity of 60 votes to pass. The bill comes in as a "Budget" bill and is considered as part of the budget.. Now the important thing to know about this is the Byrd Rule which states...
From Wiki
Reconciliation generally involves legislation that changes the budget deficit (or conceivably, the surplus). The "Byrd Rule" (2 U.S.C. § 644, named after Democratic Senator Robert Byrd) was adopted in 1985 and amended in 1990 to outline for which provisions reconciliation can and cannot be used. The Byrd Rule defines a provision to be "extraneous"—and therefore ineligible for reconciliation—in six cases:

if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure; or
if it recommends changes in Social Security.
 

Costia

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Reconciliation is basically a mechanism of moving a bill through the senate without the necessity of 60 votes to pass. The bill comes in as a "Budget" bill and is considered as part of the budget.. Now the important thing to know about this is the Byrd Rule which states...
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And how does it apply to whats going on now with the ACA?
 
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