"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes

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Ponn

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The election is over. His base can't save him now. He wins nothing by simply pandering to them with lies, he actually has to work now, and all the spin in the world isn't going to prevent him from taking L after L just like he did today.

Thats my point though, his base does matter because those buying the shit he and the GOP shovel are the ones voting in 2018 and 2020. Doesn't matter how many L's he takes and how much we may enjoy seeing them take the L's. We weren't ever going to vote for them anyways. What matters is they are still in office and will continue to fuck over everyone as long as they keep getting voted in. I would have sworn at one point years ago the GOP would have never accepted allegations of being tied to being Russian puppets. Now they are defending the shit and actively trying to cover it up. This feels like some absurd alternative reality. People have adopted their politics as part of their identity now which makes objective reasoning of these situations harder as they feel any attack against the GOP and Trump as a personal attack on themselves. It boils down to this, are they going to be more upset about Obamacare failing and blame the dems (as the people in power you know the GOP will push that narrative every chance they get) or are they going to remember today a year and a half from now when going to vote in midterms?

I guess i'm losing faith in the general publics ability at common sense reasoning skills. The only thing that seems to sway voters is when they are personally effected by something. And even then it seems people are willing to believe completely made up narratives to avoid blaming their party lines.
 

Mimosa97

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oti

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How difficult is it to remove Ryan? I'm sure some GOP members want to see consequences out of this fiasco, and it was pretty much his bill.

Is there anyone on the horizon who could be the next House Speaker?
 
How difficult is it to remove Ryan? I'm sure some GOP members want to see consequences out of this fiasco, and it was pretty much his bill.

Is there anyone on the horizon who could be the next House Speaker?

Maybe once it sets in that Paul Ryan was the person who cost them their last chance to kill the ACA. More and more people are starting to say that affordable healthcare is a right and I just don't see any other chance for them to kill it now. Not in 2018 with the election coming up. Not in 2019 if Dems get back in power and certainly not during a Presidential election year.
 
How difficult is it to remove Ryan? I'm sure some GOP members want to see consequences out of this fiasco, and it was pretty much his bill.

Is there anyone on the horizon who could be the next House Speaker?
Trickiest part, and Paul Ryan's saving grace, is just that: that nobody wants to be Speaker of the House (especially after watching this whole mess and seeing how hard balancing both moderate Republicans and the Freedom Caucus is, nevermind trying to get Democrats on board) and anyone crazy enough to actually want it wouldn't have the votes. Unless Ryan steps down himself, he should be safe.

Though, I would be entertained if they end up forcing him to step down as Speaker anyway, because trying to find a replacement would definitely be a great way of wasting some valuable time. Tick tock. But nah, can't see that actually going anywhere.
 

hawk2025

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Trickiest part, and Paul Ryan's saving grace, is just that: that nobody wants to be Speaker of the House (especially after watching this whole mess and seeing how hard balancing both moderate Republicans and the Freedom Caucus is, nevermind trying to get Democrats on board) and anyone crazy enough to actually want it wouldn't have the votes. Unless Ryan steps down himself, he should be safe.

Though, I would be entertained if they end up forcing him to step down as Speaker anyway, because trying to find a replacement would definitely be a great way of wasting some valuable time. Tick tock. But nah, can't see that actually going anywhere.


Don't worry, Republicans have plenty of experience in failing to remove and replace.
 
Trickiest part, and Paul Ryan's saving grace, is just that: that nobody wants to be Speaker of the House (especially after watching this whole mess and seeing how hard balancing both moderate Republicans and the Freedom Caucus is, nevermind trying to get Democrats on board) and anyone crazy enough to actually want it wouldn't have the votes. Unless Ryan steps down himself, he should be safe.

Though, I would be entertained if they end up forcing him to resign anyway, because trying to find a replacement would definitely be a great way of wasting some valuable time. Tick tock. But nah, can't see that actually going anywhere.

I'd like to see him pull a Boehner and tell the House to go fuck themselves. Especially right now, when the GOP is in such disarray. The shitshow will be glorious.
And it might end up with Nancy Pelosi getting the most votes.
 

KingKong

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I was really hoping Trump would force the vote just to see what the House republicans would do but I guess cooler heads prevailed. They must know by know he doesn't care about their party at all and has no interest in helping them keep their seats
 
So did today alone just up Obama's legacy a notch?

His baby basically survived against mordor or something.
Then on March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law. It wasn't perfect by any means. Liberals bemoan that it wasn't single-payer; it lacked a public option, or even all-payer rate setting. And it still left many uninsured.

But it established, for the first time in history, that it was the responsibility of the United States government to provide health insurance to nearly all Americans, and it expanded Medicaid and offered hundreds of billions of dollars in insurance subsidies to fulfill that responsibility.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/26/8849925/obama-obamacare-history-presidents
 

mjp2417

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So, this is politics now, political representatives throwing shade on twitter - say what you will about Easy D, he has warped the political discourse in the US.

Twitter is just a medium for communication. Politicians have always thrown shade at one another. This isn't new, save for the character limit.
 

slit

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that's also what the Koch brothers want. they're earmarking campaign contributions to everyone that would have voted against the bill. they don't think it goes far enough to remove the ACA. eventually they will win.

They can earmark whatever they want. At the end of the day the moderate Republicans in the Senate have to go for it and they won't if everybody gets thrown off the healthcare train. Even though money and greed define our politics there are some things they can't make look good no matter what they do.
 

Krowley

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This just goes to show again what a joke the republican party has become. It's not a party equipped to actually govern at all. Over time they've slowly evolved so that their entire platform is built around demonizing democrats and scaring voters.

They are clowns who have kept their majorities purely through political theater. Now they have to govern for real, and they have no idea how to do that. Many of them know that the policies they've been advocating all this time would destroy the economy and ruin people's lives. They're terrified of the backlash that would come from actually governing in a way that would match their talking points.

If the republican party can't get away from all the bullshit they've been spewing and start dealing with reality, they're going to go down in flames. It really looks like Trump is going to totally destroy the party over the course of his term as president. And honestly, that's probably for the best. They're just cartoon villains at this point.
 

FlyinJ

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it only failed because Trump didn't want to eliminate everything from the ACA right? rubbing it in his face might result in caving to the Republican demands.

A section of Republicans would break party ranks and vote out someone if that someone caused a family member to die because of their policies. Not a majority of Republicans, mind you. A majority would cheer on the death of their family member if it meant poor people don't get anything. But it would bother enough Republicans for them to lose enough seats to then lose the house.

That's why you don't have to worry about anyone "caving" to a more draconian bill.
 

tuffy

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can you explain why they need 60 votes after april? its it some 100 days thing?
The plan was to get this bill passed as part of the budget reconciliation process (along with a tax cut bill) in order to sidestep a possible filibuster in the Senate, but the deadline for that is nearly up.
 
The plan was to get this bill passed as part of the budget reconciliation process (along with a tax cut bill) in order to sidestep a possible filibuster in the Senate, but the deadline for that is nearly up.

but why does the number of required votes go up?

Edit: nvm answered below thanks!
 

Armaros

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can you explain why they need 60 votes after april? its it some 100 days thing?

The window for budget reconillation is now until April, before they need to vote on a new budget. Once a new budget is in, reconillation can only be done again next year in the same timeframe. Which is in the middle of midterm campaigning.

Without budget reconccillation, they need to pass a normal bill instead of just changing the current budget.

Reconciliation cannot be filibustered, normal bills can. So after April, they will have to deal with Senate Democrats. Right now they can do everything with their majorities if they all agree.

The vote to override a filibuster is 60. That means democrats (who will be filibustering) need to cross over. Which means in the current environment, DOA.
 

BlueTsunami

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The plan was to get this bill passed as part of the budget reconciliation process (along with a tax cut bill) in order to sidestep a possible filibuster in the Senate, but the deadline for that is nearly up.

Is there a deadline? My understanding is they get three chances at Reconciliation a year?

The window for budget reconillation is now until April, before they need to vote on a new budget. Once a new budget is in, reconillation can only be done again next year in the same timeframe. Which is in the middle of midterm campaigning.

Without budget reconccillation, they need to pass a normal bill instead of just changing the current budget.

Reconciliation cannot be filibustered, normal bills can. So after April, they will have to deal with Senate Democrats. Right now they can do everything with their majorities if they all agree.

The vote to override a filibuster is 60 votes in the Senate.

This makes sense
 
Republicans don't have a single bill that can pass their own party. They need to work with democrats

They don't have a single bill Democrats want to pass. One of them needs to blink, and since Dems control no branch of government right now they don't need to worry about a referendum by voters in 2018 and 2020.
 

commedieu

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Watching fox news. Rand Paul is on saying they hope they come up with a plan that Democrats will support.

Dems are totally taking the blame for this. I hope Republicans see through this, but, lol. What would that be based on? Nothing thus far has proven that to be a possibility.
 

Sagroth

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While I appreciate the schaudenfreude in all of this, mostly I'm just relieved that my spouse and I will still have healthcare. If that bill had passed, we'd have been screwed.
 

Y2Kev

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Well the republicans are right about one thing. Once an entitlement becomes law, it basically cannot be taken away. I say we pass a fuckton more next time we are in power.
 

Y2Kev

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Watching fox news. Rand Paul is on saying they hope they come up with a plan that Democrats will support.

Dems are totally taking the blame for this. I hope Republicans see through this, but, lol. What would that be based on? Nothing thus far has proven that to be a possibility.
Democrats taking blame on Fox News?????
 

Armaros

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Also for those unfamiliar, reconciliation has specific rules, like it has to be budget neutral in order for things to be made permanent, else they expire after time.

Like the bush tax cuts, which obama just let expire without a vote needed.

Thats why this defeat stings, they wanted health care costs savings by cutting Obamacare to pay for their tax cuts, now they get to find a way to make it work without that nice buffer from Healthcare, so expect a lot of bargaining between specific votes.
 

sc0la

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Well the republicans are right about one thing. Once an entitlement becomes law, it basically cannot be taken away. I say we pass a fuckton more next time we are in power.
Abortions AND tiny American flags for everyone!
 

sangreal

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Watching fox news. Rand Paul is on saying they hope they come up with a plan that Democrats will support.

Dems are totally taking the blame for this. I hope Republicans see through this, but, lol. What would that be based on? Nothing thus far has proven that to be a possibility.

That's a sensible position. They should come up with a plan that democrats can support. Not that Rand Paul would vote for it

That's not spin, it's math. There are not enough far-right house members to pass it, but there are enough to block it. The only solution is to work with democrats, who will work with moderates but not the far right
 

Lo-Volt

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Republicans don't have a single bill that can pass their own party. They need to work with democrats

Aka they are never passing a bill

Quite. I don't think a Republican speaker can afford to risk it without basically seeking a de facto alliance with the House Dems to protect himself from getting defenestrated by his own guys.
 

commedieu

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That's a sensible position. They should come up with a plan that democrats can support. Not that Rand Paul would vote for it

It's not sensible. It's phrased in a way to make it seem that Democrats didn't support it, so that's why it failed. Trump suggested as much.

They have a majority. They do not need dems to vote.

There is no introspection. All blame thrown toward Democrats.
 

BriGuy

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I would not be surprised if Real Time tonight was just an hour of Bill Maher jacking off while high. I don't mean metaphorically either.
 

Fuchsdh

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That's a sensible position. They should come up with a plan that democrats can support. Not that Rand Paul would vote for it

That's not spin, it's math. There are not enough far-right house members to pass it, but there are enough to block it. The only solution is to work with democrats, who will work with moderates but not the far right

Yeah but I don't see how it wouldn't be political suicide for those Republicans to work with the Dems on a reasonable overhaul of ACA, nor that there are enough democrats willing to try versus obstinate Republicans to block.
 
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