UK set to trigger Brexit on March 29
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Not everyone that voted to leave is racist but no doubt every racist voted leave.
It's a sad day and even for the ignorant and hateful they blamed their lives on the wrong institution and will suffer too. Immigration will unlikely change that much but I do imagine in a funny way, non EU migration will rise as the UK signs those desperate one sided trade deals so in fact, those Western Europeans you apparently hate, well say hello to more non EU Western immigration, whoops.
I still live in hope Brexit can be turned around, still two years to go, the reality may bite late for many people but maybe enough regret and truth can stop it from happening. Better together, yes in the EU that is.
It's a sad day and even for the ignorant and hateful they blamed their lives on the wrong institution and will suffer too. Immigration will unlikely change that much but I do imagine in a funny way, non EU migration will rise as the UK signs those desperate one sided trade deals so in fact, those Western Europeans you apparently hate, well say hello to more non EU Western immigration, whoops.
I still live in hope Brexit can be turned around, still two years to go, the reality may bite late for many people but maybe enough regret and truth can stop it from happening. Better together, yes in the EU that is.
Was it? Must have missed it on the ballot, and every brexiteer I meet is at pain to say immigration wasn't the reason because muh sovereignty and they're not racist bigots.
It probably was the concern for a majority of the leavers but it's a weird calculus to take a position which barely carried a majority and enact the harshest version of it (going against various promises made during the campaign) because there's this general notion that everyone who voted leave had immigration as their main concern.
you'd assume that even if 15% of leavers didn't bother about freedom of movement then it's not "will of the people" (tm) to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
KarneeKarnay
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I heard a comedian mention this on the dollop about Trump, but it pretty much applied to the Brexit as well.
"Not all people who voted Brexit are Racist.
But all racists voted for Brexit. "
"Not all people who voted Brexit are Racist.
But all racists voted for Brexit. "
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I don't really blame most Leave voters for voting the way they did. Sure there's some ardent nationals that would love to kick out anyone with a funny accent (despite the fact that most of them have funny accents), but there was lots of misinformation on both sides regarding the economic benefits of being in or out.
However, it's those that are sticking with their opinion this last year, in spite of the information at hand, that are mind-boggling.
I've been trying to move somewhere else in Europe, but it's not easy 
I'll keep trying, knowing that I basically have 2 years, but I need to get out. Even if Brexit will actually work out as good (and by "good" I mean not extremely shit, like the current forecast seems to suggest), it became a matter of principle for me and I just want out.
I've always considered London my second home, but after (and during) the referendum... everything changed.
I'll keep trying, knowing that I basically have 2 years, but I need to get out. Even if Brexit will actually work out as good (and by "good" I mean not extremely shit, like the current forecast seems to suggest), it became a matter of principle for me and I just want out.
I've always considered London my second home, but after (and during) the referendum... everything changed.
I appear to have started a bit of a backlash against quiche, so feel its probably better to link to the post here. People can then make their own conclusions from it
I've been trying to move somewhere else in Europe, but it's not easy
I'll keep trying, knowing that I basically have 2 years, but I need to get out. Even if Brexit will actually work out as good (and by "good" I mean not extremely shit, like the current forecast seems to suggest), it became a matter of principle for me and I just want out.
I've always considered London my second home, but after (and during) the referendum... everything changed.
I'm in a similar boat - increasingly want to move to Europe, but gf doesn't want to, and also have a load of family here that I would miss
it really sucks
The irony here is that it truly is the time for the country to come together in order to have the best possible negotiation position. But how can you do that with a result that close, with a government that only caters to idiots who believed nonsense written on a bus and plain supremacists? Tough times.
Possumowner
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Oh dear what a dismal day 😞 Guess it's time to fully accept it
31GhostsIV
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I've just seen that The Sun projected a 'Dover and Out' headline on the white cliffs at dover.
Fuck off Murdoch, you utter cretin.
When will people realise how much of a problem his influence is?
Fuck off Murdoch, you utter cretin.
When will people realise how much of a problem his influence is?
Yeah it does suck...I'm in a similar boat - increasingly want to move to Europe, but gf doesn't want to, and also have a load of family here that I would miss
it really sucks
Mine is not even an issue in terms of family (my wife would move too), but finding a job it's not easy as far as I can see and that is proving to be the biggest obstacle...
PastorOfMuppets
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So hypothetically, let's say in 25 years, England gets its head out of its own arse (did I use that correctly?), what would it take to re-apply to be a part of the EU again?
Well, they've won. The right-wing tabloids owned by a foreigner, the multi-millionaries who will grab up properties across the UK while our value plummets and our own people can't afford a damn house, the Supremacists have won.
I hope their victory ends up making them choke.
They always talk about "Teh good old days", but what about MY good old days? The days when we were in an important union, making progress that will help us all? That never mattered.
Time for the Labour party to get crushed and replaced with people who will stand up for them, and we'll see if the Tories keep their seats. In the meantime, I will do what I can to get involved, maybe even run. I'd probably fail miserably but it's better than doing nothing.
God help us all in the UK, except they'd accuse God of being a Johnny Foreigner.
I hope their victory ends up making them choke.
They always talk about "Teh good old days", but what about MY good old days? The days when we were in an important union, making progress that will help us all? That never mattered.
Time for the Labour party to get crushed and replaced with people who will stand up for them, and we'll see if the Tories keep their seats. In the meantime, I will do what I can to get involved, maybe even run. I'd probably fail miserably but it's better than doing nothing.
God help us all in the UK, except they'd accuse God of being a Johnny Foreigner.
31GhostsIV
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I would say that an awful lot can change in 25 years. Governments, political landscapes, world issues, The Will of the People.
I'm sure it would be a damn sight easier to rejoin that it's going to be to leave.
Halph n Halph
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I don't believe we will ever rejoin the EU . It's just not the British thing to do.
If EU still exist at that point.
Linkstrikesback
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I believe the argument is "you lost, get over it".
The UK will be long dead before the EU. Only people buying in to the daily mail bullshit believe the EU is about to fundamentally fail.
Stead Fast
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Such as?
PJV3
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It's not taking back control to give the government a blank cheque. The people need to seriously up their game because we have a pretty shit and unbalanced system in the UK.
The funny thing about this comment is, that the UK has been the reason for many stops and halts in EU's pursue of progress.
ReplacementPelican
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Look, a lot of the people who voted to Leave didn't do it because of any logical series of thinking. It was reactionary. I'm not sure a second referendum would return a different result.
Go read The Daily Mail, you'll find their answers there, I'd imagine.
I'd be more dubious about the UK surviving at this point. Scotland looks ready to walk.
johancruijff
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TatteredHat
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And with the UK's obstructionism out of the way, maybe those changes can finally be enacted upon.
HideyoshiJP
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Can you guys feel the freedoms yet? US citizen asking for a friend.
Sorry but you actively stripped away my EUROPEAN citizenship. I will hate you and your ilk forever. There is no coming together. There is no kinship or commonality I share with you.
Wow @ that Daily Mail front page.
The only good thing to come of this will be the European issue political football getting slowly deflated. The next scapegoat better be a good 'un, because it's going to take a lot for this Government to stop the light shining on the accumulation of inequality issues in the UK once they don't have their go-to shiny object on a stick to distract the public with.
CyclopsRock
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Eh? Until less than a year ago the government was committed to remaining in the EU. Basically every government, of every colour, has been Pro-EU until after the referendum (and it's hardly like they've suddenly gone blame-everything-on-the-EU since then). The argument you're making might be valid on regards to the media, but it's not true for the last 40 years of British governments.
It'll be the Scots as the next scapegoat.
Miles Quaritch
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The next scapegoat is the EU not giving the UK a 'fair deal'
It's already been lined up, we see it in this thread and you'll hear about it for decades.
PJV3
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Government is pro EU and pro blaming the EU for its woes, that's quite a common theme on the continent as well though.
They've been pro-EU while blaming the EU for pretty much everything they can away with. That goes for both Labour and the Tories. If an EU competency was vaguely related to a government failure it became the EU's fault.
Struggling to deport a terrorist? It's because the EU won't let us because he's got a cat.
Poor growth figures? EU red tape
Can't control non EU immigration? Still the EU's fault.
No trade deal with India because of the UK's spirits industry being annoyed about tariffs and the UK worrying about the visa requirement? EU can't seal trade deals.
It's not a UK only phenomenon, but we were the masters of the art. I'm sure when we don't all get the gold shitting unicorn the brexiteers promised everyone that'll be the EU's fault.
GamingKaiju
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/29/nigel-farage-vows-leave-uk-brexit-disaster/
The hypocrisy of Ferage is unreal.
The hypocrisy of Ferage is unreal.
CyclopsRock
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I've heard-tell that a lot of national governments use the EU - via the direction they have over it thanks to the council - to basically make any issue they want to legislate locally (but fear they might have trouble actually achieving domestically) a priority for the EU so that they can use its aloofness as something of a smokescreen and, at any rate, they can't not implement directives and whatnot that result. It's a fairly clever game and not unlike government departments that kick the can over to other departments so as not to take responsibility for the outcome.
TeamLeftMatch
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It is a historic day. It will be put down on the history books as
The fall of
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What a piece of shit. Will ruin the country then bail out when things go to shit. Fuck him.
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing. Maybe he'll apply for German citizenship through his wife? Can't really see him passing any German language tests mind.
sazzy
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So if the UK turns into a shithole he will bail out?
C'mon. We wouldn't be here in the first place if the EU hadn't been used as a political football by the Conservatives to rile the base, keep the "bastards" relatively loyal, and attract disenfranchised and annoyed floating voters. It's a powerplay tactic that has backfired spectacularly, as if they didn't think the anti-EU fire would actually grow if they kept stoking it when convenient.
Even Boris, the face of the Tory "Leave" campaign, wasn't committed to leaving and used it only to position himself for a possible leadership challenge... until Leave actually won, he got backstabbed, and somehow failed upwards into Foreign Secretary.
It'll probably be this, yes. I think at some point it'll start to look flimsy, though. Not for nearly a decade, but then again- if the Leave vote and old media start dying off in tandem the voting public might actually be able to see past the bullshit for what it is earlier than that.
Nah. I don't think anybody besides the exceptionally stupid will be able to buy that for long.
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