Jim Sterling, Laura Kate Dale: Warning to Yooka-Laylee Pre-Orderers

I haven't listened to the podcast yet. As a backer I'm hoping PS4 performance will be adequate. Really hoping it's nothing unplayable.

themaskedndi said:
IMO, Sterling overrates a lot of bad/flawed games (8/10 for Triforce Heroes; 10/10 for Deadly Premonition) and underrates some amazing stuff (5/10 for Vanquish; 5.5/10 for Nier).That doesn't mean he's irrelevant; it just means that I don't put a lot of stock in his opinions.
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A lot of people gave Nier a mediocre score. His score wasn't very contrarian.
 
NEO0MJ said:
And it was one of the best games Rare ever made. I'd kill for a PC port.
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You're joking right? Or you must be too young to have ever owned a N64.

Nuts & Bolts would have done better if it didn't have the Banjo-Kazooie name on it.
 
Father_Brain said:
Well, if performance is the issue, I'm not buying it on anything but PC anyway.

Sad part is, Playtonic probably chose Unity over Unreal largely because they were set on doing a Wii U version. Whoops!
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And man, after hearing about Snake Pass and looking at it, it really would've been the ideal engine for Yooka Laylee, huh? Maybe if it's good enough for a 2.

Backed it and only enough to get PC, but that's probably for the best, one way or another. Doubly so if this isn't about performance, and the sentiment ends up more "this would be a swell game at half the cost or less!"
 
I've always thought a game like this will be rather divisive coming out in 2017. Hopefully the issues are more personal taste rather than just a generally badly made game. I'm not worried about performance because my kickstarter backing is PC digital. If my 1070 can't handle this game, then Playtonic done fucked up.

Still super excited until I'm proven wrong. I'm enjoying my time in ME: Andromeda despite the poor reviews.
 
I don't get the warning. It makes it sound like it's abyssmal piece of garbage.

Nobody is expecting it to be a completely fluid experience, as we have seen in previews before. People just want a fun little 3D platformer.
 
Yautja_Warrior said:
I've had a feeling for a while now that Yooka-Laylee will be one of those games that's good but not great, maybe a 7/10 game.
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I always expected it to be a 7-8/10 game. It certainly was never going to get lots of 9's or 10's. The genre just wouldn't fly that well with reviewers in 2017 (At least, not for what they could reasonably afford to produce).

The toybox hit all the right notes for me and I will play banjo threeie and enjoy it.

edit: That said, I would have to think harder about it if I was paying the RRP they're asking for and not the amount I paid on the kickstarter (whatever the lowest tier for the console versions was).
 
NEO0MJ said:
And it was one of the best games Rare ever made. I'd kill for a PC port.
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Please, Nuts and Bolts isn't even close to the legendary games from Rare. Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie gave you levels and worlds that actually had something to do. Nuts and Bolts in comparison is simply doubling down on the large world design while somehow making it boring to explore.
 
I had a feeling this was never going to be a 9 to 10 game critically since it was trying to recreate the 90s platformer. I expect some poor framerate and camera problems, and reviewers will probably take issue with some of the game's design. (Mumbling voice acting, collectathon gameplay)

Until Jim can articulate why though, then I won't give it much serious thought. Aside from that Casino trailer the game looks great.
 
Sword Of Doom said:
A person's entire body of work and career as a reviewer is irrelevant cause he gave BotW a 7?
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When Jim Sterling worked at Destructoid, he gave Assassin's Creed 2 a 4.5/10 which has a 90 on Metacritic. Back then, people hated him and accused him of doing stunts like this for clicks. Sterling giving a significantly lower than aggregate score to a universally acclaimed game isn't new grounds for him.
 
Ahasverus said:
Fucking Unity. Stop using that garbage.

What engine is Bloodstained running again?
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UE4. If Playtonics went with Unity for ease of Wii U development Iga went "fuck it, lets get someone to port it for us."

Both never hit Wii U, of course.

EDIT: Took too long! And someone probably should ask about the choice of engines post-release if it looks ugly.
 
Considering Sterling like trash like that multiplayer Zelda game even over the last one that is basically the only Zelda game worth its hype.
heck the guy likes stuffs like Dynasty warriors so i don't know if he hates repetitive games either.
Seeing what footages I've seen of YL (including the casino) my biggest issue is the music.
Everything else seems standard, I don't really like the whole only 1 way to solve a problem that the game is going with.
The minecart stuffs is disappointing because it's not actually a 3D sequence, I mean dk64 showed you could make some interesting stuffs with that kind of stuff.
It's not the 2nd coming (that's probably going to be Mario let's be honest for a second) but nothing hint at a disaster from the media available.
 
Well i guess im gonna hold off until reviews, i do hope its at the least a good game ( 7 ) range on the review scales. I want this genre to make a comeback and id had high hopes for this one.
 
Mael said:
Considering Sterling like trash like that multiplayer Zelda game even over the last one that is basically the only Zelda game worth its hype.
heck the guy likes stuffs like Dynasty warriors so i don't know if he hates repetitive games either.
Seeing what footages I've seen of YL (including the casino) my biggest issue is the music.
Everything else seems standard, I don't really like the whole only 1 way to solve a problem that the game is going with.
The minecart stuffs is disappointing because it's not actually a 3D sequence, I mean dk64 showed you could make some interesting stuffs with that kind of stuff.
It's not the 2nd coming (that's probably going to be Mario let's be honest for a second) but nothing hint at a disaster from the media available.
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The music is your issue? Insanity!
 
Backed for a digital copy.

I trust Sterling and Dale 0% as far as critical reviews go, that said the casino footage shocked me for how bland and uninspired it was, I hope the rest is way above that, but I've been deeply concerned ever since then.
 
Probably not their cup of tea lol
I'm sorry Jim and Laura

But really I don't know, Ash Paulsen over at GameXplain is saying he really likes it so I guess the reception will generally be mixed. I moved my Wii U backer platform to PC so hopefully it bodes well.
 
Sword Of Doom said:
A person's entire body of work and career as a reviewer is irrelevant cause he gave BotW a 7?
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The guy who gave Deadly Premonition a 10 and AssCreed II a 4.5? It's not even about the score, almost every point he made in the AssCreed II review is laughable at best, not even a matter of opinion, but pretty much wrong facts all around.
 
ced said:
All the videos I've seen, possibly excluding the jungle one have looked awful.

I'm not talking about performance either.
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Agreed.

Doesn't look like it has any of the charm at all of 90s platformers like Banjo to me

I don't really get the hype other than people with nostalgic glasses on say yeah
 
Lulzwagon said:
The music is your issue? Insanity!
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I get that they're going for a Banjo Kazooie vibe, my issue is that it's literally the only game Rare I played that the music put me to sleep.
i could tell you fantastic things about Jet Force Gemini, GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Star Fox, Snake rattle n roll, Battletoads, Killer instinct and other DKC games (including DK64, yes even that one).
But BK? nah I really can't.

Alter_Fridge said:
Agreed.

Doesn't look like it has any of the charm at all of 90s platformers like Banjo to me

I don't really get the hype other than people with nostalgic glasses on say yeah
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If it had the charm it would be a nostalgia google dispenser.
 
Kagoshima_Luke said:
I wouldn't take Jim seriously as a game critic. Wait for the review embargo to lift before panicking.
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Well Jim's warning to people who preorder and therefore don't rely on reviews. Those who put too much trust in companies not named Blizzard can get burned frequently and even Blizzard can fuck up (see Diablo 3)
 
they kept showing off that one level which was already pretty suspect and then when they finally show something different (casino) it looked awful.

also I dont think im ever buying another unity game. couldnt even finish the last episode of dreamfall chapters because the performance was so ass.
 
MegaManTrigger said:
Please, Nuts and Bolts isn't even close to the legendary games from Rare. Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie gave you levels and worlds that actually had something to do. Nuts and Bolts in comparison is simply doubling down on the large world design while somehow making it boring to explore.
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Nuts & Bolts was amazing fun if you played online with people. Though it certainly doesn't hold a candle to the original two games (especially the first).
 
So basically they fully accomplished their intended goal to produce a game reminiscent of the N64 era, right down to the choppy framerate? What's everyone so mad about?
 
Even though I put a lot of trust in Jim Sterling and Laura K, people may sometimes be wrong.
I'll be looking at Yooka-Layle with the most rose tinted glasses I can find so I will probably not have that much of an issue with it.

Framerate problems won't be much of an issue for me anyway, I can totally stomach them.

I mean, the ToyBox ran pretty well (although that wasn't even closely comparable to what we've seen in trailers of course).

If the content is what I expect it to be (and it certainly looks like it) I can totally ignore any technical hiccups this game may have.
 
Some people I know with review copies have also said similar things. Which is so disappointing to hear. I think thay Unity was a bad choice for this project, especially on consoles.
 
Whether you agree with Jim Sterling or not, y'all should be way more cautious with pre-orders. Especially when a games review embargo is just before release (e.g. the Mafia 3 debacle).
 
AtomicShroom said:
So basically they fully accomplished their intended goal to produce a game reminiscent of the N64 era, right down to the choppy framerate? What's everyone so mad about?
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In fairness, I'm playing Tooie on the N64 and the slowdown is an annoyance. I bet it's even more of an annoyance now that better tech is on the market.
 
bbd23 said:
they kept showing off that one level which was already pretty suspect and then when they finally show something different (casino) it looked awful.
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Actually the reason they mostly showed off Tribalstack Tropics (and recently Glitterglaze Glacier) is because backers said in polls that they didn't want to be spoiled on too much prerelease. They haven't even talked publicly about the pir-

...i've said too much
 
Do they mention the platform they played it on? I got it on PC so I expect slightly better performance than say, vanilla PS4. Also, given his reviews of BOTW, Persona 5, etc. and the next however many minutes they spend defending PeeBee who is one of, if not the, most annoying companion character in a Bioware game, I do question how closely our tastes align.
 
joe2187 said:
I second this emotion.
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This man gets it.

PSFan said:
You're joking right? Or you must be too young to have ever owned a N64.

Nuts & Bolts would have done better if it didn't have the Banjo-Kazooie name on it.
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Wrong!

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I loved the original but the vehicle building system of N&B was so fun for me. You're right that it shouldn't have been a Banjo Game, though.

MegaManTrigger said:
Please, Nuts and Bolts isn't even close to the legendary games from Rare. Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie gave you levels and worlds that actually had something to do. Nuts and Bolts in comparison is simply doubling down on the large world design while somehow making it boring to explore.
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Then you were playing it wrong, IMO. The game doesn't work as an open platformer.
 
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