By something to do, do you mean something to Google? The first two Banjo games have game design that feels arbitrary, similar to the weird easter eggs in Call of Duty, you're never really sure what the hell your supposed to do and what you can interact with. They're just frustrating trial and error games, with stomach turning art design. Nuts and Bolts was Rare at their best and most creative.
Jim Sterling, Laura Kate Dale: Warning to Yooka-Laylee Pre-Orderers
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By something to do, do you mean something to Google? The first two Banjo games have game design that feels arbitrary, similar to the weird easter eggs in Call of Duty, you're never really sure what the hell your supposed to do and what you can interact with. They're just frustrating trial and error games, with stomach turning art design. Nuts and Bolts was Rare at their best and most creative.
I really hope it's good, and I'll be pretty disappointed if it ends up being mediocre. I don't really care if the frame rate or performance is a bit naff, but I am concerned about the size of the stages compared to the amount of things to do in them. Suppose all there is to do is wait for the reviews to roll in. Just the act of controlling the characters looks fun though.
LastOne2100
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I really want this game to be good. I can deal with Unity being a piece of trash engine and the performance being bad, but I really hope the content is good.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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"Brutal laylee" "Puke a laylee"
I came in expecting thread title to be hyperbolic, but yeah, they really didn't sound impressed. And it didn't seem like it pertained specifically to performances though they were disappointingly vague
I came in expecting thread title to be hyperbolic, but yeah, they really didn't sound impressed. And it didn't seem like it pertained specifically to performances though they were disappointingly vague
What platform are they on? I'd have thought PC would be OK.
But the people disagreeing with them have played the game.
Salty Hippo
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I like Jim Sterling, but if this game turns out to be fine on PC I'll never listen to a word he says again. Telling people to cancel their preorders without even bothering to specify what version you're talking about is fucking disgusting.
Thabass
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Didn't he give it a 7? Seems like he liked it just fine. He just didn't get the hype or what other critics thought.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Gamexplain mentioned in their Q&A that one of them is playing on PC and that it's 60 fps but with occasional slowdown
balladofwindfishes
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Banjo Kazooie is the first game I ever 100% beat in my entire life. And this was well before Google. And I was like 10. And I would 99% beat Tooie a few years later, only skipping the Canary Mary second race because I could not do it. Also before Google was a thing.
evilromero
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I've been thinking lately about how this game is trying to achieve two different yet opposing goals.
It initially positioned itself as a true successor to Banjo-Kazooie, pretty much the sequel we never got but only changing the characters and name. Hell, the music sounds like its ripped right out of a Banjo game and if you didn't tell me I wouldn't be the wiser.
The second goal seems obvious but was maybe less celebrated or recognized. That the game would be an updated take on the classic 3D platformers from the late 90s. Ok, makes sense. And we've seen that same genre morph in interesting ways over the years (Infamous is a great evolution of the genre, Mario 3D focusing level structure, etc).
Now on the eve of its release it really seems the reality of creating a direct sequel to Banjo-Kazooie is the main issue holding the game back from being a proper modern update. And it seems the developers may have stuck a bit too rigidly to the template of a 3D platformer from that era.
It initially positioned itself as a true successor to Banjo-Kazooie, pretty much the sequel we never got but only changing the characters and name. Hell, the music sounds like its ripped right out of a Banjo game and if you didn't tell me I wouldn't be the wiser.
The second goal seems obvious but was maybe less celebrated or recognized. That the game would be an updated take on the classic 3D platformers from the late 90s. Ok, makes sense. And we've seen that same genre morph in interesting ways over the years (Infamous is a great evolution of the genre, Mario 3D focusing level structure, etc).
Now on the eve of its release it really seems the reality of creating a direct sequel to Banjo-Kazooie is the main issue holding the game back from being a proper modern update. And it seems the developers may have stuck a bit too rigidly to the template of a 3D platformer from that era.
UncleSporky
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In general people shouldn't preorder anything in the first place.
dancrane212
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Playing the toybox on Xbox One already did plenty to kill my excitement for the game. I had a faint hope the full game would preform better...
friskykillface
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Jontron won?
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If it's frame rate related then I wouldn't care that much because I've played Zelda x lived in the N64 era 😎
If it plays like banjo kazooie or tooie then I'll be happy
That's all I wanted
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If it's frame rate related then I wouldn't care that much because I've played Zelda x lived in the N64 era 😎
If it plays like banjo kazooie or tooie then I'll be happy
That's all I wanted
Tom Nook Sawyer
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But in this case, the game wouldn't have existed in the first place without those "pre orders"
Same. BK was masterful design.
SpiceMelange
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Yooka-Laylee is so not Jim's style of game, I wouldn't put much weight on his opinion if you like the genre. Not to say it's completely off-mark, I myself have reservations about the game since the casino level trailer.
And at the end of the day it still ended up in bargain bins.
The gap between Tooie and N&B was too large to go without a platformer in between. People were starved for one. I bought my 360 after the 2006 trailer for Banjo before it became N&B. It's a great game, but with Banjo' s face slapped on it. It would have worked better as a new IP.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Possibly in terms of sales. But I loves the character and humor BK added to it. Wouldn't have been the same without them
Spieler Eins
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I've been following this game since it was a pipe dream on twitter, but as soon as the official reveal came, I already went
Now watch everyone calling the genre bad and "rightfully dead", just because these guys couldn't make a remarkable game.
Now watch everyone calling the genre bad and "rightfully dead", just because these guys couldn't make a remarkable game.
Messofanego
Banned
Puka A Laylee could be performance related
If this gets to like 20 or 40 pages, Jim Sterling and Laura Kate Dale have certainly caused a big stir!
Head.spawn
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I mean... I would?
This is a pretty good way to describe my feelings as well. The game looks like an hd remake of a phoned in N64 banjo kazooie clone. I love banjo too, but I haven't been able to get into this for some reason
When I saw that the "switch into first person to shoot a button" mechanics were equally as frustrating looking as they were on N64... Idk, the ign people seemed to be having fun but it just made me want to play old rare games more than anything
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Puka A Laylee could be performance related
I expect that specific comment was. But if you listen to the segment, it really didn't sound like it was purely performance related. If it is, then they definitely were misleading, although "puke a layee" isn't good in any context
LordRaptor
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Ninja Scooter
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The preorders that funded this game are not cancellable so I don't think he was referring to those.
From what I've seen the two main ways they've attempted to modernize the game are mostly based around player choice and aren't really at odds with the Banjo throwback premise, namely the non-linear world expansion mechanic and the tonics that let you enhance various attributes.
I don't think the collectathon formula is inherently outdated and the things that made people sick of it back in the day (too many collectibles, numerous playable characters with poor design choices, increasing complexity in what should be a simple formula) are much of what they tried to fix in this game. Performance aside, I'll be interested to see what Jim considers such a cardinal sin in this game, as I've seen about half of the first two (unexpanded) worlds through various gameplay demos/playthroughs and it's all looked very faithful to what fans wanted.
VendettaRed07
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Isn't the Switch version the only version of the game playtonic is developing in house ?
Jawbreaker
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And PC.
He will never "win" anything ever again because he's a hopelessly incompetent jackass and virulent racist. He could be a trillionaire with the world record in Olympic gold medals and he'd still be a fucking loser.
The Broken Ska Record
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That's because it's embargoed. I imagine once the embargo lifts, he'll be more forthcoming about versions and what is wrong with them.
Vyse The Legend
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I sincerely doubt performance issues alone are the reason that they're cautioning people with preorders. The game would have to run like a slideshow to sound this down on it. Their comments seem to suggest that they don't like the game itself.
Wait, how would the Switch have better performance than the PS4?
Messofanego
Banned
Apparently, if you say no words about the quality of a game but just make disconcerting noises, you're not breaking embargo.
EatinOlives
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Still shitty of him to jump ahead and shout "cancel preorders!!" despite not being able to articulate why. If the only info you can give is vague and noncommittal, keep the feedback vague and noncommittal.
MegaManTrigger
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Google? I was able to get Jiggies and Notes in BK without having to look up a guide. Tooie, I will concede but even then it was sidequests that spanned over multiple levels (I haven't reached a far enough point where I needed to google anything). I've just started playing the Banjo series and I'm confused how you weren't sure what you're supposed to do or interact with in the games. Nuts and Bolts on the other hand, is pretty dull with having larger worlds but not giving you enough of a reason to even care about going through the level. The "minigames"/missions are a slog to go through, which only makes the level design even more boring to go through.
You do realize open world sandboxes don't just apply to platformers? Platformers are called platformers for a reason, which I didn't even touch on. That's a flaw on their design philosophy to have open worlds and not enough motivation to explore them.
People should cancel all their pre-orders. Pre-order culture is disgusting.
Portugeezer
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Jim? Good game confirmed.