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kmag said:
The biggest flash point will be over territorial waters, it's flared up a couple of times when both were members of the single markets and common fisheries policy, it flared up regularly pre 1986 and pre 1992 and will become a big issue when the UK leave especially if Spain isolates Gibraltar.

The UK's claim on territorial waters are bit weaker than their claim on the port itself, and basically boils down to we've been here a while now. The Treaty of Utrecht only gave Britain the forts and port, it didn't give them the isthmus to the north.
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At time periods this long, self-determination is generally the main legal determinant in international decisions and courts. If every territory was arbitrated on the basis of legal documents from the 18th century, we'd be fighting the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth World Wars before we hit 2020. Spain don't really have much of a leg to stand on.
 
kmag said:
I'm not suggesting war for a second, I'm saying flashpoints: i.e closures, fishing boats straying, interdictions etc. That was a regular occurrence in the 1980's.
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Wasn't suggesting you are. I was talking about some of the people how are supposed to be in power and suggest Theresa May should handle this like the falklands.
 
Spain won't block a UK-EU deal in order to get Gibraltar back, but Spain will probably ask for some things in exchange for said deal covering Gibraltar.

I cannot even imagine Spain pursuing the annexation of Gibraltar, but I can absolutely see demands such as joint sovereignty, an end to the isthmus situation and establishing that the UK has no territorial waters at all/has to share them with Spain in equal measure. The thing with customs sure is going to be a fun part of the negotiations. Joint sovereignty could put an end to the current lines, but if the UK doesn't want to agree to it you can absolutely bet Spain would be more than willing to keep them in place.
 
ClosingADoor said:
Why do people even give a fuck about this. The whole world is on metric. Every business deal you are going to do will be in metric. But sure, slap some other labels on your imported meat if you want to.
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Because sad little people are deeply insecure about 'being told what to do'. If the rest of the world used Imperial and said we should too, we'd argue for using Metric.
 
Xando said:
I see tories are already on the "send carriers to Gibraltar rawrawr falkland 2.0 rawr rawr" train if you check out some of the sunday politics quotes.
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Against spain? Surely they must be joking? As that would INSTANTLY proof the opposing point of "60 years of peace thanks to the EU!". I mean they'd be the one proving it, that they are ready to go to war with Spain mere moments of telling the EU they are about to leave. They haven't even left yet!
 
Fantastapotamus said:
Haven't looked in this thread for a while, I'll take things are going splendidly?
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Too obvious, I know.
 
I've been out of the country for a week and missed article 50. I will assume it was handled with the same amount of competency the government has shown since the vote
 
The EU is looking out for itself and the UK is still assuming they'll get to be in the EU without being in it. See you in two years when no deal is reached because that never changes.
 
The humiliation of having a pink European Union passport will now soon be over.

Pink, get fucked. It isn't pink but I suppose he was going for the gay European passport angle for the Brexit leavers. Prick.

£500 million for the new contract. What glorious new freedom price will be charged for that privilege?
 
This thing about the £ dropping is a little obfuscated at the moment.

The euro is weaker than the already recently weakened pound. If UK adopted the currency it would be worse than ~20% loss and more like ~40, the Euro has slid a lot over the decade and we'd be paying even more for stuff like mainland Europe is and if you want to say joining would boost the euro then it would probably only boost to where the pound currently is. Germany is enjoying the weak Euro and many other countries are actually wanting it weaker.

At some point UK would've had to join the euro and lost it's 1.4-1.6 against the dollar.

Of course the euro could strengthen and the £ in 10-20 years could be even lower.
 
PJV3 said:
The national humiliation of having a burgundy coloured passport is almost over.

An actual,real life elected MP said that.
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The color isn't even a rule you have to follow. Croatia has a blue one and nobody is forcing them to change it.

Literally every stupid argument these people make are just not true.

chromatic9 said:
This thing about the £ dropping is a little obfuscated at the moment.

The euro is weaker than the already recently weakened pound. If UK adopted the currency it would be worse than ~20% loss and more like ~40, the Euro has slid a lot over the decade and we'd be paying even more for stuff like mainland Europe is and if you want to say joining would boost the euro then it would probably only boost to where the pound currently is. Germany is enjoying the weak Euro and many other countries are actually wanting it weaker.

At some point UK would've had to join the euro and lost it's 1.4-1.6 against the dollar.

Of course the euro could strengthen and the £ in 10-20 years could be even lower.
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The UK had NO obligation to join the Euro. That people still come with this nonsense is amazing. The UK has a specific agreement that they do not have to join the Euro. Same with Denmark.
 
I maintain that people over the age of 65/70 should lose their right to vote.

The grey base is getting bigger by the day, decisions need to be made to limit their power in screwing over progress and sad attempts to try and relive their glory days before they die off in an underfunded and understaffed care home while their kids struggle to make ends meet.
 
Seriously though, navy blue passports are objectively better than the burgundy ones. But maybe that's just because my old school blazers were burgundy and I get routine flashbacks to swimming outside in October with just the prospect of being stared at by my PE teacher in the showers to keep me warm.
 
chromatic9 said:
The euro is weaker than the already recently weakened pound.
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What does this mean? If you had entered the Euro back in 2002, you'd have gotten €1,6 for every Pound. If they had put the Euro ten times lower, you would have gotten €16 but the Euro wouldn't have been 10 times weaker. It is how that exchange rate evolves that matters.
 
I'll never get over brits talking about sovereignty.

And Jesus wept the imperial system?

Ireland went full metric, we drive in KMs, the country didn't fall apart.
 
Miles Quaritch said:
I maintain that people over the age of 65/70 should lose their right to vote.

The grey base is getting bigger by the day, decisions need to be made to limit their power in screwing over progress and sad attempts to try and relive their glory days before they die off in an underfunded and understaffed care home while their kids struggle to make ends meet.
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One thing's for sure - it's totally outrageous that a sixteen year old can't vote but a ninety year old can - but it sure makes sense that the government can simultaneously implement the triple lock and massive student loan increases. Student loan increases almost entirely effect the demographic that has never been allowed to vote. Utterly scandalous, but then it is basically a tax on the young.
 
chromatic9 said:
This thing about the £ dropping is a little obfuscated at the moment.

The euro is weaker than the already recently weakened pound. If UK adopted the currency it would be worse than ~20% loss and more like ~40, the Euro has slid a lot over the decade and we'd be paying even more for stuff like mainland Europe is and if you want to say joining would boost the euro then it would probably only boost to where the pound currently is. Germany is enjoying the weak Euro and many other countries are actually wanting it weaker.

At some point UK would've had to join the euro and lost it's 1.4-1.6 against the dollar.

Of course the euro could strengthen and the £ in 10-20 years could be even lower.
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The pound is WAY down versus the Euro in the past couple of months. Absolute exchange rates don't mean anything. If you suddenly switch to the Euro, and the exchange would be, say, 1.20€ for 1 pound, everything would simply be 20% more, but in Euros. 20% higher wages, 20% higher rent, 20% more for an apple etc. Real change = 0.00000%.
 
ClosingADoor said:
The UK had NO obligation to join the Euro. That people still come with this nonsense is amazing. The UK has a specific agreement that they do not have to join the Euro. Same with Denmark.
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Right now, it has that privilege, indeed. Right now. 😈

It's gonna be really interesting to see what happens if UK ever seek to re-enter the EU umbrella. Maybe, even a desperate last-minute Brexit abort might already be enough. There are various UK Extrawursts that are gonna be on the chopping block, but few as immediately visible as the Pound. Which makes it a high value target.
 
CTLance said:
Right now, it has that privilege, indeed. Right now. 😈

It's gonna be really interesting to see what happens if UK ever seek to re-enter the EU umbrella. Maybe, even a desperate last-minute Brexit abort might already be enough. There are various UK Extrawursts that are gonna be on the chopping block, but few as immediately visible as the Pound. Which makes it a high value target.
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UK has an opt out of ever closer Union so it's not like they could be forced to take it. Another thing they are throwing away for a worse deal.

The 27 remaining members get to decide if the UK can stay and on what terms if they change their mind. Another reason why it was stupid to go through with Brexit. Best deal we ever had, gone.
 
I thought there wasn't any money, it's fairly costly changing systems. I can see foreign companies loving the idea on top of everything else we're doing.
 
ClosingADoor said:
The color isn't even a rule you have to follow. Croatia has a blue one and nobody is forcing them to change it.

Literally every stupid argument these people make are just not true.


The UK had NO obligation to join the Euro. That people still come with this nonsense is amazing. The UK has a specific agreement that they do not have to join the Euro. Same with Denmark.
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I thought Euro was entirely opt-in? Sweden doesn't use Euro either
 
Easy_D said:
I thought Euro was entirely opt-in? Sweden doesn't use Euro either
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Sweden doesn't qualify for the Euro, but it is supposed to take it once it qualifies. Sweden doesn't qualify by design though, it simply has to enter the ERMII and after two years they'd certainly have the Euro. They just don't enter ERMII. That is how mean those Euro people are. They have left Sweden sitting there unbothered for 15 years.
 
So happy this "Spain will veto independent Scotland joining the EU" nonsense can now be put to rest.

Once and for all debunked. Anyone mentioning it as a serious issue for Scotland in future can do one looking at the fucking "we might go to war with Spain over Gibraltar nonsense.." HAHAHA.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...se-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu#comments


As expected the EU will slowly but surely make positive noises towards Scotland, as it makes a really nice side dish to all the other stuff they're going to beat the UK with in the months/years to come. May's and the Tories' attitude to Scotland will absolutely seal independence now I think. Now that the fear stories have all come to nothing (indeed reversed in many cases) there's such threadbare arguments left for the next indyref campaign. The Yes side starts at a close to 50/50 split and with so much change coming that we didn't want, and the only way to salvage so much of what we hold dear coming from a Yes vote.. I'm confident. Thank you Brexiters....!

I look forward to watching Westminster politics in 10 years rom now and knowing it has virtually fuck all to do with me!
 
SporeCrawler said:
so UK leaves EU and immediately talks about war with a member country. who here still thinks EU is just an economical project?
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In fairness, it's unfair to say that it's the "UK" saying this. It's one retired former right wing politician, who said that May would show the same resolve to keep Gibraltar as Thatcher did to keep the Falklands. He didn't say yo let's invade Madrid fellas.
 
DavidDesu said:
So happy this "Spain will veto independent Scotland joining the EU" nonsense can now be put to rest.

Once and for all debunked. Anyone mentioning it as a serious issue for Scotland in future can do one looking at the fucking "we might go to war with Spain over Gibraltar nonsense.." HAHAHA.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...se-veto-if-scotland-tries-to-join-eu#comments


As expected the EU will slowly but surely make positive noises towards Scotland, as it makes a really nice side dish to all the other stuff they're going to beat the UK with in the months/years to come. May's and the Tories' attitude to Scotland will absolutely seal independence now I think. Now that the fear stories have all come to nothing (indeed reversed in many cases) there's such threadbare arguments left for the next indyref campaign. The Yes side starts at a close to 50/50 split and with so much change coming that we didn't want, and the only way to salvage so much of what we hold dear coming from a Yes vote.. I'm confident. Thank you Brexiters....!

I look forward to watching Westminster politics in 10 years rom now and knowing it has virtually fuck all to do with me!
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Scotland have to be allowed to leave first, Spain would mind if it didn't go down like that.

I wouldn't bet on on Yes guaranteed and getting into the EU won't be plain sailing. 60 percent of people that voted might be okay with the EU but what's the number for staying in the UK and ones who didn't vote. Early days but I hope something works out and Scotland stays in the EU.
 
SporeCrawler said:
so UK leaves EU and immediately talks about war with a member country. who here still thinks EU is just an economical project?
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?

It's not a secret that the EU evolved out of ECSC, an organisation whose aim was "make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible" by integrating the economies of the major powers.
 
theaface said:
Because sad little people are deeply insecure about 'being told what to do'. If the rest of the world used Imperial and said we should too, we'd argue for using Metric.
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Or maybe people have been educated in imperial, and education in metric only will will mean it will die out naturally.

If you were told that you had to speak only in German next month because of reasons what would you feel?
 
Miles Quaritch said:
I maintain that people over the age of 65/70 should lose their right to vote.

The grey base is getting bigger by the day, decisions need to be made to limit their power in screwing over progress and sad attempts to try and relive their glory days before they die off in an underfunded and understaffed care home while their kids struggle to make ends meet.
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It's basically economic warfare against the young at this point.

The Guardian had an article yesterday where it was being advocated that the brexit shortfall could be filled in by young people all getting saturday jobs. They really give no fucks about the future or young peoples lives whatsoever
 
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