Project Scorpio to be shown off next week according to Jez C... (READ MOD POST)
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MosquitoSmasher
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So MS had an interview with DF before X1 came out, right? But back then they didn't talk about the specs yet, did they? But did they announce that beforehand?
It just surprises me that very likely we'll get the first real info on this anticipated system Thursday and MS has yet to say a thing themselves.
It just surprises me that very likely we'll get the first real info on this anticipated system Thursday and MS has yet to say a thing themselves.
Shpeshal Nick
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If they WERE to be silly enough to go over $399, then yeah, go all the way. Brushed aluminium finish.
i do have a 4k set, wasted money upgrading FOR the pro, but honestly, at the 8 ft or so i sit from it i don't really consider the difference large enough to say it's a good use of the additional power, not by a long shot. and looking at a native 4k image and a PRO checkerboard image on the same set it is impossible to notice at that distance too. HDR is ok. but i find it overly contrasted and more of unrealistic image than that of one without.
but lets put it this way, i'd notice a game having higher poly assets, higher resolution textures and better quality effects, screen space reflection, volumetrics or shadows running at 1080p more-so than i would a game that was just the exact same 1080p game at 4k. i mean, 1080p scales nicely on a 4k set and unless i get right up close to the thing it's not a particularly discernible difference.
it all just feels like some forced push for 4k when there really isn't any sort of demand for it. both sony and MS catering to a market so small it may as well not even be there. which seems utterly pointless to me. i mean, jesus we're in a gen where we're miles away from even consistently meeting a 1080/60 standard. maybe we should have stuck with making that a reality before jumping face first into 4k?
BeforeU
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Seems kinda waste? Why would they bump up th3 cost unnecessarily when they shouod be doing just the opposite.
Jimmyfenix
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In the DF panel john mentioned the number of people buying 4k sets is way higher than the number of people buying 1080p sets. It's why at black Friday the biggest tv sellers were 4K.
There is demand for sure.
There is demand for sure.
Blame the devs not the console makers. They can do whatever they want with the power.
Well, when I say blame, it's not really their fault. It's a benefit vs cost sorta thing.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Think you're confusing cboat with ntkrnl. Cboat was overly negative and even was wrong about things. My was the one with the pre E3 blowout
Dee Dah Dave
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Hopefully we can put the questions to bed by the end of this week. Except the looks and price which I guess will be announced at E3. We need concrete specs, no stone unturned!
I skipped Forza 6 so really looking forward to 7, I hope it is actually 'mind blowing'. MS 1st party teams have been held back by the bad decisions of the XB1 so it will be nice to see them flex their muscles again. GT Sport will take some beating though graphically.
Most of all I'm looking forward to Crackdown 3. If it delivers on the physics promises it has potential to be a ground breaking game, and pave the way for similar use of technology in other games. Plus it should be an absolute blast!
I skipped Forza 6 so really looking forward to 7, I hope it is actually 'mind blowing'. MS 1st party teams have been held back by the bad decisions of the XB1 so it will be nice to see them flex their muscles again. GT Sport will take some beating though graphically.
Most of all I'm looking forward to Crackdown 3. If it delivers on the physics promises it has potential to be a ground breaking game, and pave the way for similar use of technology in other games. Plus it should be an absolute blast!
Jimmyfenix
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ntkrnl was probably someone on the xbox team. He even leaked the titanfall xbox model that didn't release for consumers.
It's just a shame that a third of what he said 3 years ago still hasn't come out or has been cancelled
It's just a shame that a third of what he said 3 years ago still hasn't come out or has been cancelled
I agree, KORNdoggy is right too. Vastly improved effects such as textures and shadows far more apparent. If developers can meet a happy medium where they can utilise this additional power for fidelity while upping resolution at the same time we would be making real progress.
I think Horizon is an excellent example of a game looking incredibly at the highest setup ie Pro/HDR set.
In Service
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For me, the real difference has been HDR on my OLED. I would love for games to use HDR and textures and shadows as you say. That would be a marked improvement in my mind.
Because of this, I'm more hyped for potential single player / co-op games than twitch shooters.
Thats a Greay Area
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Isn't this why Scorpio has 12GB or ram though? I mean you're looking at almost twice the usable ram for games and a near 50% increase on the fill rate to the GPU.
If there was a reveal in any 'event' like capacity this week, I would have thought we would have heard of the announcement already so that press outlets could prepare. So, potentially a video this week with just specs detailed or...well I have no idea what or if to expect anything lol.
Dee Dah Dave
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It does seem odd that this hasn't been announced. Maybe the announcement will be Thursday for a later date?
It's also a bit strange to let a 3rd party reveal the specs. Though that does give some verification to them so it doesn't leave unanswered questions. Like "Forza 7 looked great but was it actually running on a Scorpio dev kit?"
Something small like this is best though I think. There isn't enough info for any kind of full event without pulling stuff out of E3, which needs to be great for them.
If the specs are good it will be a nice bit of info and a good teaser to start the hype machine in the run up to E3.
It's also a bit strange to let a 3rd party reveal the specs. Though that does give some verification to them so it doesn't leave unanswered questions. Like "Forza 7 looked great but was it actually running on a Scorpio dev kit?"
Something small like this is best though I think. There isn't enough info for any kind of full event without pulling stuff out of E3, which needs to be great for them.
If the specs are good it will be a nice bit of info and a good teaser to start the hype machine in the run up to E3.
Interfectum
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It's actually pretty smart of them to just give Scorpio to DF for a test run. It shows MS is fully confident in their hardware and fans of DF are a big target audience of Scorpio anyway.
Colbert
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I think it is a win win win situation for MS, Eurogamer and us gamers. DF is a trusted source regarding analysis of gaming console hardware and in my opinion the selected form of the specs reveal is avoiding these typical marketing and PR phrases that may stay unquestioned and unclear. And as many said earlier hopefully some of the main questions can finally can put to bed (Jag/Zen and such).
VincentMatts
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Is there a date for this or do i have to get up hoping every day?
link1201
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Thursday. I believe was mentioned.
Interfectum
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VincentMatts
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cool, hope its worth the wait
Backfoggen
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Spoiler: FM7 is going to run at a locked 4k60.
Samurai G0SU
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Holiday Tagline : "The must have True 4K gaming Experience" "Forza Motorsports 7 in 4K 60Fps"
gaming_noob
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Me too. Forza is known to have horrendous load times. Upping assets will not help...
Can't wait to see the game but I hope it'll will not be held back by the base XB1. Scorpio should be able to handle dynamic weather and dynamic TOD but would it be too much for the XB1 "version"?
VincentMatts
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considering cost will be an issue, i expect a regular HDD. In fact i expect multiple skus with different HDD sizes to be able to hit their price points.
i would guess at maybe a hybrid 1TB drive 500GB would fill up to quickly
Jimmyfenix
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Forza 7 has to work on the base xbox one. So naturally it would be held back somewhat. But if the same tech works on base xbox one they can improve it on the scorpio. No one misses out on features hopefully
We don't know what special hardware is on the SoC for double frame rate interpolation , sparse rendering , half resolution rendering & so on.
CrimsonEclipse
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Probably would have to scale back somethings. Maybe resolution will take a hit and go dynamic, don't expect for them to drop 60fps tho.
Interfectum
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I'm really curious how devs are going to handle Scorpio 1080p vs 4K.
If the dev goes full 4K with the game, that is going to take up a lot of Scorpio's power. For 1080p, if they take that unused power and go balls out, we could end up with a scenario that the 1080p version is actually the better game graphically sans resolution. I'm not sure that's what MS is looking for since they are pushing 4K. Am I wrong here?
If the dev goes full 4K with the game, that is going to take up a lot of Scorpio's power. For 1080p, if they take that unused power and go balls out, we could end up with a scenario that the 1080p version is actually the better game graphically sans resolution. I'm not sure that's what MS is looking for since they are pushing 4K. Am I wrong here?
Jimmyfenix
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That's why you have different game modes like rise of the tomb raider on ps4 pro.
The white paper already mentioned devs are not forced to push for 4K
Yeah, that's who I was thinking of.
Interfectum
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Yeah I know, but what I'm saying is I wonder if we'll end up with a situation, due to Scorpio's massive bandwidth, where the 1080p versions are actually preferable to the 4K due to the increase across the board instead of simply most of it going to a resolution bump to true 4K.
That's why MS have said countless times thats its up to the developers how to use that power.
Similar to the Elite X1 bundle. Yeah I guess that makes sense. As other's have said I can see a couple of options being on offer
Okami Haundo
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So... What kind of "reveal" are we really expecting this week? Do the rumors point to an actual planned event or is this just another DF leak? I know I saw some talk about IGN First coverage but that seems like it'd be too stretched out for a console reveal.
Jimmyfenix
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There is no official scorpio reveal by ms
An outlet presumably digital foundry has seen scorpio
Specs plus interviews and maybe forza 7 stuff on Thursday
This isn't a full blown reveal of the system
In UWA you basically have a profile or a preset for each device that can run your app.
So it will be as simple as them making 3 profiles , Xbox One, Xbox One Premium 1080p and Xbox One Premium 4K
That's a great concept in theory but I don't know how realistic that is. Unless the industry as a whole does a 180 and stops prioritising graphics and tech. If at some point we as a medium trade diminishing returns in hardware for an agreed upon hardware base, then I could see that happening.
I just don't think we're at the point of going "every PS4 game will run on whatever the Playstation will be in 5 years". Again, nice scenario though.
It won't be announced, it'll probably just go up with no advance warning.