Shadowhaxor
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Been saying this for a while, yet idiots like Michael Pachter seem to think otherwise. The adoption rate for 4K is very high and I doubt we'll see many 1080p sets being sold or produced in the next two years.
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Been saying this for a while, yet idiots like Michael Pachter seem to think otherwise. The adoption rate for 4K is very high and I doubt we'll see many 1080p sets being sold or produced in the next two years.
Okami Haundo
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You answered my questions as well. Thank you! Guess I have at least two potential things to look forward to this week!
Forza 6 and Horizon 3 look absolutelty incredible at 4k on a high-end PC despite X1 roots. FM just needs RTL/weather/TOD.
Anodized black aluminum. Would look awesome.
It seems like 4K sets are being pushed as default now. I didn't see any 1080p TV boxes in the aftermath of Black Friday on the curb and I live in a neighborhood where the average household income is $33K. Makes sense that retailers are heavily pushing 4K sets to drive up their ASPs.
boneyjangles
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I'm a GT fan, and not a big lover of MS/Forza. But even I think that won't be true, at least for first impressions or the initial wow factor.
GT Sport looks spectacular - at times, and has some elements incredibly well refined and polished. Other times on a particular track at a particular time of day with a certain slightly crap sounding car, and it doesn't seem quite that special.
But 40%+ more power available, and having historically more visually impacting fantasy tracks, I would say Forza has a good chance to out-do GT Sport, at least for that superficial initial impression.
Adoption rate is high because you can get one for a good price. We got a Hisense 50" 4K HDRfor under $600. My Sharp Aquos 4k that I bought 9 months earlier was $800 and it's 60" (because it was a last generation one).
The Jackdog
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ive said this since the beginning of the gen, games and downloads are only gonna get bigger and bigger.
people with weak connections are gonna be mad, but its not gonna get any better
In UWP you can also tailer asset downloads based on device profile.
Edit: can't read. You just mean 4k in general.
maybe UHD textures as optional download? (already happened)
Jimmyfenix
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I can see that. fallout 4 texture pack was 58gb optional download right?
MeisterLeder
Banned
I doubt you will download the Xbone package and Scorpio package.
You can already see with newer released games that they will have two versions or so of assets that will be installed.
When you check a game with RB+LB+Back you can see the current installed package and version of a game.
Battlefield 1 example:
Assets Installed is the important part.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
There are Wii titles that look better than 360 and PS3 titles. The developer's visual style matters. Forza and GT simply have differing visual styles​. Forza has never really looked "worse" imo. It just looks different. Both games have different approaches to what they try to focus on artistically.
I want hand on wheel animations improved for forza
Yes, but imagine I have a 4K TV but I want to play in 1080p supersampling mode...
That means I'll need to have 4K and 1080p texture packs.
Same for a Scorpio in a 1080p TV... I don't think it would download just the 1080p part.
So Scorpio games will be huge.... unless they come up with some new way of compressing/extracting files
Sony
Banned
Agree 100%. The masses swallow photo realism with racing games. Forza has never as good as GT in that respect.
However, seeing as Scorpio is an expansion or current One rather than a new gen, I think the delta is important: how much better to Scorpio games look than One games. That's where Sony slacked in the Pro marketing imo
SenjutsuSage
Banned
An 8 core Ryzen would absolutely not cost that much. For one, it would not have hyper threading. It would boast lower clocks, lower TDP, and absolutely not be based on Ryzen 7 or even Ryzen 5. Ryzen was designed to be very scalable for high end computing right down to more power conscious, portable designs.
Self_Destructive
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It's entirely possible that with FM7 they wen't back to the drawing board with their engine and lighting models. We're hearing that it's mindblowing... something that looks the same as FM6 in 4K wouldn't be exactly 'mindblowing' even if it does look awesome.
So it could be that MS knows exactly what they are doing with marketing Scorpio with FM7 alongside PS4 Pro and Gran Turismo Sport.
infinityBCRT
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... no, you would only need the 4k texture pack. it will render using the 4k assets.
For the first two, I think that's totally doable and not that difficult...
Samurai G0SU
Member
My guess on games that will 'highlight' the power of Xbox Scorpio
I'm not counting some 3rd party games because they will highlight partnership with the one who has purchased it. there are probably more items people can throw in,but i think we can get a good feel that these games will highlight something about scorpio.
Perhaps a couple hidden gems still to be released come e3's announcement.
I wish i could say that these games will highlight the power of scorpio, but we all know that wont happen
Destiny2
COD WW2
Battlefront2
RDR2
whoa, the year of twos; lol
- Forza 7
- Crackdown 3
- Sea of Thieves
- Halo 5
- Cyberpunk 2077
- Resident Evil 7
- ReCore
- Killer Instinct
- Ori and the Blind forest 2
- something something Fallout
- Halo wars 2
- Mass Effect: A
I'm not counting some 3rd party games because they will highlight partnership with the one who has purchased it. there are probably more items people can throw in,but i think we can get a good feel that these games will highlight something about scorpio.
Perhaps a couple hidden gems still to be released come e3's announcement.
I wish i could say that these games will highlight the power of scorpio, but we all know that wont happen
Destiny2
COD WW2
Battlefront2
RDR2
whoa, the year of twos; lol
wesleyshark
Banned
I would think Destiny 2 will most certainly benefit from the extra power, on both Scorpio and PS4 Pro.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Well, we are talking about Forza 7, though. The Scorpio showcase title XBOX has to offer. I am sure that Team 10 put a little bit more effort into this game than "just" using its successor's engine and making sure it runs in native 4k on Scorpio. Also pretty sure they utilized Scorpio's power for other stuff like better shadows, textures, etc.
I for one have no worries that Forza 7 will be overshadowed by GTS. Both will look superb, but as far as we know only one will offer native 4k support.
Okami Haundo
Member
I wish i could say that these games will highlight the power of scorpio, but we all know that wont happen
Destiny2
COD WW2
Battlefront2
RDR2
whoa, the year of twos; lol
Destiny 2 and CoD seem like games that certainly won't openly advertise Scorpio improvements, but just about anything from EA seems like a lock. I previously thought Battlefront 2 was a lock, but then I remember that Sony bought that marketing last time.
this really needs to happen. some games have already passed 100GB
"silly enough?" Why would that be silly to go over $399? Scorpio NEVER meant to be a "mainstream" console or massive seller system. It's a high-end product. It doesn't have to sell gangbusters. this was never Microsofts intention
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
I still don't have that for mine even on the latest OS. I wanted to check out all my games.
Edit: Nevermind some games do but oddly BF1 doesn't.
It still need to sell. Higher then 400$ it will stay on the shelves. That's not MS intention either.
I doubt that even splitting SP from MP is difficult for devs. They had no problems splitting them in the past or even in latest games, where MP is a mandatory install, but SP still works without a patch.
Language audio makes up for so much space. It would probably help a lot, in terms of bringing down the file size.
2 or 3 days ago there was a new build for the Alpha Preview Ring, so it might have been in that build. Don't know where you are in, but it's probably not ready for the general public yet.
To say that they don't want this to sell is wrong, too. They will have to offer a nice price for the stuff that we are getting, because otherwise it won't sell at all and they don't want to repeat that, me thinks.
LukasTaves
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Separate language downloads is already a possibility, I think they mostly don't bother as they can just make a single version and ship worldwide on discs. But there are games where you have to download from another region to get the subbed language for instance (can't remember which one though XD)
Separate packages was talked about on GDC, the dev can create a shared package with common assets for all versions, and specific packages for each platform. It's also possible to add new packages in the future and they can freely override the content in the shared package.
With uwp they are also improving the installing experience. Developer will have full control on what's needed to play the game, and will have in game apis to redirect which packet has to be downloaded first, and the same will apply for updates which no longer have to be entirely downloaded so you can play. And lately they will add delta updates from many media content so the updates themselves should get a lot smaller as well.
Supersampling mode would render in 4k and downsample to 1080p, so you would need the 4k textures anyway. Though I think even at native 1080p rendering, there would be room from improving using higher quality textures.
Jimmyfenix
Member
Do we know if MS has the rule of if a Multiplayer game is 30fps on Base Xbox One has to be the same framerate on the scorpio ?
I hope not. that shouldn't have any affect on the game. The only thing I remember them saying is developers can use the power however they want.
we don't know IIRC
This is the 1st time that I'm hearing this and it sounds fucking awesome. Good news and I hope it will be used by more devs.
Do they go more in-depth about this? If so, do you have a link for me, because I'd really love to see/hear that GDC speech.
Samurai G0SU
Member
but i believe commercials will hold onto the power of the pro. the 3rd party online websites detailing the difference between them is what you are talking about. that is what i mean by 'highlighting' the power. as in marketing and bullet points under 'scorpio power'
LukasTaves
Member
I dunno why it wasn't more reported, I guess many didn't watched their gdc talks xD
As for the talks, they are available on channel 9 (unfortunately not all, I believe some of them have ndas), but I think this is the specific talk about the packages bit:
https://channel9.msdn.com/events/GDC/GDC-2017/GDC2017-004
wesleyshark
Banned
Ohhhh right, right. I follow you.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It's more than $400.
Doubt it. They'll want to hit that 399 price-point for sure.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Nothing new so far? No confirmations that it's going to be Thursday for this?
wesleyshark
Banned
Not a peep
tiredheadcrab
Member
Guys. It's going to be Zen. I can feel it in my bones. It's a beast.
The Salt Life
Banned
God I hope so
R
Rösti
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It's still quite early in Redmond. 07:42 AM. Perhaps something by noon.
they won't want the outrage of a $500 system, but i'm definitely expecting $450. i just don't see them hitting the $400 mark at all.
soundscream
Member
I say again this makes no sense. The Witcher 3, Battlefield 1 require some of the most beefy PCs to run at their highest options, they are not being held back by working on XB1, PS4 or lower end PCs.
Yep.
SneakersSO
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They will.