Uno Venova
Banned
I mean they shouldn't just ask in this situation, let people know their channel will be harmed if they do it.
A note about Persona 5 Streaming From Atlus
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The game has been out for ages in Japan, this has nothing to do with actual spoilers. It's just Atlus having the belief that they'll will gain more sales from not allowing people to stream 100 hours of their game than they will gain from from these same streams. They're probably wrong but it's an interesting test case that goes up against the conventional wisdom.
Frozenprince
Banned
Awesome.
They'll end up doing it in like six months, but by then they'll have played it all and the magic will be long gone.
ScientificPizza
Banned
This fucking sucks
They could force Matt to play it and have one of them help him out.
Frozenprince
Banned
What test case. There's no quantifiable method of tracing sales lost by doing this. It's only a test case if there's something to test.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
No company should be in the business of threatening their customers. I mean this is really incredibly simple
No, I would just implicitly understand that "please don't stream our game" is just as much of a threat. Companies don't make polite requests for the fun of it. Either way of stating it means "We will take legal action if you do this." At least that would be how I would read either statement.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
So we've entered 'words have no meaning anyway' now huh?
Also, while I said executives, it is entirely possible it does include writers and devs as well. Streaming is still fairly new, and I can see why a dev may not like seeing their content they worked hard on being viewed for free online. That doesn't necessarily take maliciousness if the comparison between watching all of P5's cutscenes online is made to movies and tv.
I obviously think this is a bad move and only ruins PR for the game, but I can see why people may not like it such as the Sakurai mention.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
What's funny is that I would have never gotten into the series had it not been for the Giant Bomb crew playing through P4.
Wrapping this kind of thing up in pretence of caring about not spoiling fans and then posting a specific date is ridiculous. "Please, please, don't make us fuck you over".
It's bizarre that of all the JRPGs to have this happen to, the one with the most incentive to play yourself is the one that gets hit. Maybe it's just me, but I remember watching some of Giant Bomb's Endurance Run of 4 and deciding I wanted experience it for myself first before continuing. I couldn't imagine watching someone's else playthrough as my main experience, but I was definitely going to check out how SuperBestFriends' one went down the line. I know Persona got a big boost over the past few years, but (digital) word of mouth still feels like something it needs to get to the next level in the west. Again, SuperBestFriends could have marketed this game for months. There's already 27,871 shitlords on their subreddit seeing Persona related stuff on a daily basis for the past while.
I hope one of the major streamers/YouTubers calls them, but I don't blame them for abiding by this shit either.
It's bizarre that of all the JRPGs to have this happen to, the one with the most incentive to play yourself is the one that gets hit. Maybe it's just me, but I remember watching some of Giant Bomb's Endurance Run of 4 and deciding I wanted experience it for myself first before continuing. I couldn't imagine watching someone's else playthrough as my main experience, but I was definitely going to check out how SuperBestFriends' one went down the line. I know Persona got a big boost over the past few years, but (digital) word of mouth still feels like something it needs to get to the next level in the west. Again, SuperBestFriends could have marketed this game for months. There's already 27,871 shitlords on their subreddit seeing Persona related stuff on a daily basis for the past while.
I hope one of the major streamers/YouTubers calls them, but I don't blame them for abiding by this shit either.
Can a streaming service allow people to stream an entire television series because it doesn't go against their terms of service? If anything twitch is at the mercy of game studios not the other way around. If they all decided one day that they don't want their games streamed, then that will be the end of twitch.
The only reason I'm a Persona fan is because of the GB endurance run. I bought a vita because of it, I bought and played 2 different versions of Persona 3 and I bought P5 day one. None of these would have happened without a full video playthrough online. Atlas is so backward with this stuff. The game oozes charm, you should want as many people as possible playing it on video and winning over sceptics by showing how much fun these games are.
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't agree with the use of the word threatening. I don't find calling this a warning to be hostile or mean spirited in any way.
Its Atlus Japan being out of touch nitwits.
Yakuza is not an Atlus JP baby.
Atlus USA would want it for P5 as well. Atlus JP's just putting their foot down here. I guess if this were to need to get changed, someone would need to make sure Atlus JP or Sega execs see news articles and other negative reception to this.
I agree. GAF gets ad money based on their users here, but that doesn't mean you don't get threatened/warned about bans.
Oh it's from Altus JP. Didnt catch that. Makes some more sense. Still dumb af.
Yakuza 0 is owned by Sega. It's funny to see the divide between how the two titles are handled though lol.
mapachealocado
Member
I have a small YouTube channel and I was planning some Persona 5 videos but... not anymore. I don't think it's worth the risk of getting a strike on my channel, even if I stick to their guidelines.
I'm registered with the Nintendo Creator's Program and they never say "you can't post this or this or avoid posting about events". All its issues aside, Nintendo doesn't do this.
I'm registered with the Nintendo Creator's Program and they never say "you can't post this or this or avoid posting about events". All its issues aside, Nintendo doesn't do this.
VidulaSaix
Member
It dawns on me that they waited to put out this statement until AFTER the game had officially come out.
Gotta get those sales first before you shit on the customer, eh?
Gotta get those sales first before you shit on the customer, eh?
Do you understand the significance of a DMCA strike to people who have a vested interest in their YouTube/twitch accounts?
Spoiler infringement. New law, look it up!
charlequin
Banned
Excepting stuff that has minimal interactive gameplay like visual novels in cases where you can watch longplays of the whole thing, evidence suggests it's pretty consistent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...site-affects-the-business-of-video-games.html
Decent summary, at least. I doubt anyone's done a scientific examination, but the general direction is very straightforwardly in the positive direction.
RichiRamjag
Member
Can't say I like how they're handling it.
Even Nintendo, who is terrible when it comes to these matters hasn't done anything like this that I know of.
Even Nintendo, who is terrible when it comes to these matters hasn't done anything like this that I know of.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I don't agree that "YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED" can have a non-threatening meaning
Crazy Diamond
Member
Time to stop discussing how you're going to evolve policies and start doing. I appreciate the US side being so transparent, but at the end of the day, this is nonsensical. Everyone feels their game is special, most don't block the feature and most don't even make you feel like its an issue to share footage of their game in action. What makes even less sense is that ...it's Persona, a series that made its way to fame by way of word of mouth.
A DMCA takedown can result in channel deletion on YouTube. If that's your primary income then you just lost your job.
funkystudent
Member
Watching a playthrough of persona 4 is literally the single reason I ever even gave this franchise and Atlus the time of day.
I bet Atlus US are about as annoyed as we are so I hope they can convince their japanese wing how backwards this policy is.
I bet Atlus US are about as annoyed as we are so I hope they can convince their japanese wing how backwards this policy is.
Leafhopper
Banned
Holy shit.
It's utterly baffling how the execs who made this decision couldn't foresee how the response to it would mar the response to the game on release day. Instead of the dialogue surrounding its release being "Persona 5 is out; it's super good!", you have a social media and press shitstorm brewing about Atlus' draconian streaming policies completely overwhelming any positive coverage the game naturally would've gotten. It's unbelievably out of touch.
Frozenprince
Banned
Them waiting until now to do this is also shitty. People do this as a job. They schedule their stuff around this, portion a block for it.
Now that plan is ruined after they likely already started on it with no backup plan.
Now that plan is ruined after they likely already started on it with no backup plan.
The game was just released today.
That article mainly discusses how streaming has changed video game and console development. It does not talk about how story based games are effected or not. Of course streaming will force companies to make their games more streaming "friendly" if people can watch your entire game online.
Again its common sense that games like mindcraft, small indie games, mmo's, and mobas, all benefit from streaming. This however does not prove that its good for games or video game development in general. There are games where the entire experience is ruined if it can simply be watched for free online. Whether that is ok or not is up to personal opinion.
Yeah. The fact that this came out so late also kinda fucked some YouTubers I follow over. Hell one of them got an early copy and started streaming a few days ago!
MarshMellow96
Member
It's an awful mess all told, but I can't help but laugh the rate at which that press release goes from "what's up Persona fans" to "stream this game at your own fucking peril".
The Super Best Friends said they were literally in the middle of recording when they found out.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
We don't need spoiler-police. The internet has kinda been around before P5, and for the most part, gaming community is pretty damn good about spoiler tags and warnings.
This is dumb.
This is dumb.
Frozenprince
Banned
Dan's gaming is streaming this right now for almost 10K people and has been through story scenes for the last like 6 hours.
Wonder if he's gonna get taken down.
Wonder if he's gonna get taken down.
franklyshankly
Member
Again, this isn't actually about spoilers. That is just how they're spinning it.
Frozenprince
Banned
And you could have informed people of this policy before hand so they can prep around it.