X-Men: Gold contain subliminal messages about conservative Islamic political movement

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Chmpocalypse said:
It's not, though. What some call "reasonable people taking the good and leaving the bad" is really just cherry-picking. I'm happy when that leads to believers doing good things, but the reality is that those who cherry-picking the other way have just as much evidence to support their position. I mean, it's your God who's supposed to decide what is and isn't applicable. How do you decide what to leave and what to apply when everything in the book is intended (according to the text) to be equally valid?
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At least for Christianity you've got parts of the New Testament itself putting aside rules from the Old Testament, with the concept of the law being fulfilled by Christ and not being applicable anymore.

Hebrews 8:6-7 and 8:13 have the most direct quotes regarding that, but it's mentioned multiple other times in various ways.

Now, however, Jesus has received a far superior ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is superior and is founded on better promises.

For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.

In speaking of a new covenant,” He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
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Even so, of course, there are people who don't follow that anyway.
 
Mikey Jr. said:
The Quran says that Christians shouldn't be your friends?

Didn't know that.
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No it doesn't. In arabic it doesn't uses the word "wali" which is hard to translate but it doesn't mean "friends".
This is in the context of war where some Muslims said they would ally themselves with Jewish clans instead of the other Muslims for protection against the Meccans.
 
FyreWulff said:
You should read up on what the New Testament has on Jews.

All the major books basically have a "press here for instant war" button.
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Yeah both books have some good sized nooks of horseshit.

Bible ok's slavery and racism and rape, etc.
 
XAL said:
Yeah both books have some good sized nooks of horseshit.

Bible ok's slavery and racism and rape, etc.
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But it tells you how severely you should be allowed to beat your slaves before getting into serious trouble, so that's something. Right?
 
NeonZ said:
At least for Christianity you've got parts of the New Testament itself putting aside rules from the Old Testament, with the concept of the law being fulfilled by Christ and not being applicable anymore.

Hebrews 8:6-7 and 8:13 have the most direct quotes regarding that, but it's mentioned multiple other times in various ways.

Even so, of course, there are people who don't follow that anyway.
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We'd be better off if no one followed either.

The New Testament has plenty of bullshit in it, too. It just made its "infallible" god less of a dick.

Basically: "Our perfect god is perfect and said to write this book. Just kidding. We need to fix it with a new book, but god is still perfect."
 
XAL said:
Yeah both books have some good sized nooks of horseshit.

Bible ok's slavery and racism and rape, etc.
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Amir0x said:
But it tells you how severely you should be allowed to beat your slaves before getting into serious trouble, so that's something. Right?
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Squalor said:
We'd be better off if no one followed either.

The New Testament has plenty of bullshit in it, too. It just made its "infallible" god less of a dick.

Basically: "Our perfect god is perfect and said to write this book. Just kidding. We need to fix it with a new book, but god is still perfect."
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No I don't agree with this. Just because it's horsecrap to you doesn't mean that it's horsecrap in general. Lots of things in the Bible are supposed to be read in context. If you take every single thing there literally instead of some literal and some symbolically, then of course you're going to misinterpret lots of things and use them in perverse purposes. The problem there is misinterpretation and lack of faith. Beat up your slaves? Did you read the other verses that explain more or just that one like others do. So many people take the John verse which explains that God loved the world so He sent His Son and believe in that one verse but then they couldn't care less about the thousands of other verses that say things like you can't just believe in Christ and expect to be saved or that you are required to love all even if they offended you.

My point is that people look at the Bible and other religious books mostly as negative things now thanks to some choice idiots who took one scripture and used it for their crusade against blacks or gays or Jews or any other group of people.

I'm done with this though. I've said all I can say right now and I doubt you'll understand or accept what I said. I just wanted to express my opinion on this. I'll stop now.

I'll leave now. This thread might not stay on topic anymore and I've only made it worse. Apologies.
 
Visiting family in Jakarta right now and Governor Ahok has done so much to help clean up this city and set things on the right path that Jokowi started. You can definitely feel the subtle fear of Christians from the vast majority of Muslims here, with people only being against progress just because the leader happens to be Christian.
 
AlexFlame116 said:
No I don't agree with this. Just because it's horsecrap to you doesn't mean that it's horsecrap in general. Lots of things in the Bible are supposed to be read in context. If you take every single thing there literally instead of some literal and some symbolically, then of course you're going to misinterpret lots of things and use them in perverse purposes. The problem there is misinterpretation and lack of faith. Beat up your slaves? Did you read the other verses that explain more or just that one like others do. So many people take the John verse which explains that God loved the world so He sent His Son and believe in that one verse but then they couldn't care less about the thousands of other verses that say things like you can't just believe in Christ and expect to be saved or that you are required to love all even if they offended you.

My point is that people look at the Bible and other religious books mostly as negative things now thanks to some choice idiots who took one scripture and used it for their crusade against blacks or gays or Jews or any other group of people.

I'm done with this though. I've said all I can say right now and I doubt you'll understand or accept what I said. I just wanted to express my opinion on this. I'll stop now.

I'll leave now. This thread might not stay on topic anymore and I've only made it worse. Apologies.
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Are you saying that the EXPLICIT condoning of rape and murder in the bible is taken out of context?....
 
AlexFlame116 said:
No I don't agree with this. Just because it's horsecrap to you doesn't mean that it's horsecrap in general. Lots of things in the Bible are supposed to be read in context. If you take every single thing there literally instead of some literal and some symbolically, then of course you're going to misinterpret lots of things and use them in perverse purposes. The problem there is misinterpretation and lack of faith. Beat up your slaves? Did you read the other verses that explain more or just that one like others do. So many people take the John verse which explains that God loved the world so He sent His Son and believe in that one verse but then they couldn't care less about the thousands of other verses that say things like you can't just believe in Christ and expect to be saved or that you are required to love all even if they offended you.

My point is that people look at the Bible and other religious books mostly as negative things now thanks to some choice idiots who took one scripture and used it for their crusade against blacks or gays or Jews or any other group of people.

I'm done with this though. I've said all I can say right now and I doubt you'll understand or accept what I said. I just wanted to express my opinion on this. I'll stop now.

I'll leave now. This thread might not stay on topic anymore and I've only made it worse. Apologies.
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Ah, the "context" defense.

Well, in any context, the bad strongly outweighs the good.
 
ElBoxyBrown said:
There's lots of sketchy things religious texts say. It's why reasonable people separate the good from the bad.
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This is such a cop-out. If humans can freely decide what to follow and what not to, what's "good" and "bad", based on what we as a society now find acceptable, what authority do the texts have at all? How do they not completely lose all meaning once you do that? They are supposedly the word of God, and God is supposedly perfect and omniscient, but here come the humans and decide what of it is morally defensible and what isn't. Of course I'm not saying you should follow every word, as that would make you a monster. I'm saying make up your mind. Preferably in the rational direction.
 
And in the X-Men books, of all books. If you couldn't get the message while doing artwork for fucking X-Men, you're a lost cause.
 
Spike Spiegel said:
You forgot one.

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Logan's expression in that final panel is a goddamn triumph.
 
Amir0x said:
But it tells you how severely you should be allowed to beat your slaves before getting into serious trouble, so that's something. Right?
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From what I recall there were rules for slavery, but only involving fellow Israelites which seemed somewhere between slavery and indentured servitude. For example, they were supposed free the slave after 6 years or something like that. Non-Jews though, anything goes, and could be enslaved for life. New Testament was better in that it told people they should treat their slaves well, like brothers. Seems contradictory to me, sense I wouldn't enslave my bro, but these ancient texts weren't the most logical and consistent. Cults are like that.
 
Came into this thread ready to be skeptical.

Leaving it blown away by how crazy this is.

This guy should be fired.
 
This guy is so fired.

Did he really think this wasn't going to be caught? Was the desire to promote such awful ideas as a lark really worth it? I really don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
 
To use comics in this way as a political platform feels to just miss the entire point of comics. Aside from that, what did he expect would happen? If people didn't notice it, that he did it wouldn't matter. If people did notice it, he would be fired.

Oh well. That's stupid.
 
pigeon said:
Came into this thread ready to be skeptical.

Leaving it blown away by how crazy this is.

This guy should be fired.
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Seriously. This is the kind of insane theory I expect from the alt-right...except this time it's for real. What a crazy idiot this guy is. His ass is sooooooo fired.
 
Whoa, that's messed up. Marvel is going to do the thing where they ask retailers not to sell the book anymore right? I wonder what will happen to the value of the book.
 
ForsakenLotus said:
Whoa, that's messed up. Marvel is going to do the thing where they ask retailers not to sell the book anymore right? I wonder what will happen to the value of the book.
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If these are out in the next printing and removed from digital it will definitely spike

Doesn't mean thet shouldn't do it, secondary market is always gonna be gonzo
 
ElBoxyBrown said:
Colossus is suppose to be an atheist, which makes him wearing that shirt really out of character. Not to mention he still has feelings for Kitty. Once you see it the subtlety quickly disappears.
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The artist clearly didn't consider this :(
 
Marvel released a statement:
“The mentioned artwork in X-Men Gold #1 was inserted without knowledge behind its reported meanings. These implied references do not reflect the views of the writer, editors or anyone else at Marvel and are in direct opposition of the inclusiveness of Marvel Comics and what the X-Men have stood for since their creation. This artwork will be removed from subsequent printings, digital versions, and trade paperbacks and disciplinary action is being taken.”
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http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/04/08/marvel-releases-statement-on-controversial-x-men-gold-art/
 
Worse part is Marvel works around three months ahead, so they have to roll with him for issues 2 and 3. He also does the covers to #4, 5, and 6 but not the interiors, so they can switch that out.

Or find an artist that can do the interiors to 2 and 3 in a month or less.
 
NexusCell said:
I can imagine Wilson was probably furious when she heard about this.
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I doubt anyone at Marvel was happy. The writer on the book is Jewish and he was saying how great of an artist Syaf is in interviews and social media.
MHWilliams said:
Worse part is Marvel works around three months ahead, so they have to roll with him for issues 2 and 3. He also does the covers to #4, 5, and 6 but not the interiors, so they can switch that out.

Or find an artist that can do the interiors to 2 and 3 in a month or less.
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He wasn't scheduled to do any more interior work until after Secret Empire so they can easily replace him.

I'm not sure about #3, but I really doubt they could redo #2 at this point other then potentially looking for more messages.
 
GameAddict411 said:
There might be a context to that verse we don't know. Maybe it was tied into a war of some kind at the time. You know how crazy religious extremist are like and how they love to take things out of context to justify their stupidity.
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Actually, extremists are taking the scriptures literally, which leads them to do abhorrent things because the scriptures literally teach abhorrent things. Mainstream civilized religious practice goes through a process of whitewashing, reinterpreting, and reimagining.
 
Sandfox said:
He wasn't scheduled to do any more interior work until after Secret Empire so they can easily replace him.
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at. But until then they have issues 2 and 3 of their relaunch, done by an artist that is persona-non-grata at this point.

So they either have to roll with it, or find someone who can redraw the interiors.

Sandfox said:
EDIT: I'm not sure about #3, but I really doubt they could redo #2 at this point other then potentially looking for more messages.
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If I had to guess, he probably was beginning #3.
 
MHWilliams said:
Worse part is Marvel works around three months ahead, so they have to roll with him for issues 2 and 3. He also does the covers to #4, 5, and 6 but not the interiors, so they can switch that out.

Or find an artist that can do the interiors to 2 and 3 in a month or less.
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should be delayed now so that they can get a new serious given that this dude is toxic now. man, the x books have been such dumpster fires.
 
Is this artist seriously religious? As in, these quotes are reflecting his personal views? Like Sharia law supporting nonsense when it comes to religious?

He sounds freakishly unhinged, if true. The most "peaceful" way I can see this as subtle trolling, but Islam's claims about superiority and not trusting others is trolling real life enough as is...
 
Nesotenso said:
should be delayed now so that they can get a new serious given that this dude is toxic now. man, the x books have been such dumpster fires.
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This is a new series and the book already has two other main artists, so they'll just pop him out of rotation and add a replacement.
 
Guess Axel won't complain about people not knowing artists names now.

Guy's about to become infamous now.

Wonder if the mainstream media will pick up on it. Doubtful.
 
I think comic writer Kurt Busiek had a pretty solid take on this whole thing.

https://twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/850829587839762432

How to Draw Yourself Out of a Job, 2017.

The part where he drew Kitty Pryde right up next to a JEWelry store sign is pretty sad, too.

Note for work-for-hire creators: If you want to slip in political messages that you know your collaborators, publishers and even your...

…cast would be offended by, well, it’s on you, but doing it in the first issue of an important launch is just magnifying the dumb.
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MHWilliams said:
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. But until then they have issues 2 and 3 of their relaunch, done by an artist that is persona-non-grata at this point.

So they either have to roll with it, or find someone who can redraw the interiors.
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X-Men Gold is one of Marvel's new bi-monthly titles and #2 was supposed to be in store on April 19th. So its already at the printers. At this point, if there are messages that have to be taken out they would probably have to push the issue out a week or two.
 
It's pretty crazy how Syaf just chose to tank his career after getting the biggest job of his life. I guess his views were more important to him.
 
Sandfox said:
It's pretty crazy how Syaf just chose to tank his career after getting the biggest job of his life. I guess his views were more important to him.
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Prolly just not too bright tbh

I mean if he taking his view extremely why he take that nice dollar money at first place

Like I said many of follower of this movement never thinking about their religion that much before.
 
Kevinroc said:
I think comic writer Kurt Busiek had a pretty solid take on this whole thing.

https://twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/850829587839762432
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Busiek also answered someone wondering about the market value of this issue with the example of a Wolverine issue where a racial slur ended up in a word balloon[/quote]. It was apparently a genuine mistake but that's a crazy story too.

Sou Da said:
I wonder what Bendis would have done if no action was taken.
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Action would have been taken. It's an unambiguous situation. Marvel would have faced a shitstorm over this if they hadn't reacted, and then they'd have done something about it. It was a when, not an if.

Roland_Gunner said:
X-Men Gold is one of Marvel's new bi-monthly titles and #2 was supposed to be in store on April 19th. So its already at the printers. At this point, if there are messages that have to be taken out they would probably have to push the issue out a week or two.
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I don't think anyone sane would fault Marvel for delaying the issues if there's more of this fuckery in them. That would probably suck for their business, though.
 
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