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[TissueBox]

Indonesia's government has been a fascinating case of coexistence between faiths despite religion having a large hold over the state... now with tensions rising, and with no help from a corruption-afflicted system, however, it is sad to see extremists begin the finger pointing and tar and feathering.

It's held up for a long time now, but as the Christian minority begin to inch toward the Muslim majority, there's probably no way it would end harmoniously. It's all fun and games until you forget your place and all that.

That said, hopefully this is cleared up and taken cate of within Marvel; if this dude is trying anything he should probably back off lol.

 

[Ether_Snake]

There's lots of sketchy things religious texts say. It's why reasonable people separate the good from the bad.

Or not give importance to those books at all. They're just that, books. Find something better to read.

 

[Stinkles]

? I'm just saying he wrote them big

Oooooh

 

[kswiston]

7K is well above US median income, assuming he's getting paid for a book a month.

this was reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally stupid.

Ya, artists make decent money assuming they can do a book a month.

https://fairpagerates.com/year-in-review-2015-survey-results/

 

[thechristoph]

Or not give importance to those books at all. They're just that, books. Find something better to read.

Like X-Men! .....oops.

 

[LordOfLore]

First news site to post about it.

Neither Ardian Syaf nor Marvel representatives replied to inquiries made earlier today.

 

[eyeball_kid]

There's lots of sketchy things religious texts say. It's why reasonable people separate the good from the bad.

The problem is, if your faith is based on the religious text being directly inspired by your god, you can't just say well this part is good, this is bad. Because you're basically saying, "Well I think this part is God's word, but maybe God didn't really mean this part, or this part was actually just some guy with a bad opinion." Fundamentalists believe you have to take the Bible and Quran as 100% God's words, and anything else is an abdication of one's faith, and even heretical.

With many of these religious texts you've got the central tenets of peace and love and respect for fellow people and all those good things, and then you have codified law which was written based on the standards of an ancient world. They're both mixed together in the same single tome in modern times, and conservative factions of those religions say you gotta take it all or none at all.

 

[Sandfox]

Monday will certainly be interesting.

First news site to post about it.

"news site"

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

The problem is, if your faith is based on the religious text being directly inspired by your god, you can't just say well this part is good, this is bad. Because you're basically saying, "Well I think this part is God's word, but maybe God didn't really mean this part, or this part was actually just some guy with a bad opinion." Fundamentalists believe you have to take the Bible and Quran as 100% God's words, and anything else is an abdication of one's faith, and even heretical.

With many of these religious texts you've got the central tenets of peace and love and respect for fellow people and all those good things, and then you have codified law which was written based on the standards of an ancient world. They're both mixed together in the same single tome in modern times, and conservative factions of those religions say you gotta take it all or none at all.

I get that these things always need to be questioned and examined under modern context. Anyone who follows any religion needs to do that. But there are people that practice their religions peacefully and it irritates me when extremist like this artist completely fuck it up for everyone.

 

[caliph95]

DC right now

 

[deadscreensky]

For something to be subliminal it still needs to influence the reader, and just by looking at this thread with almost nobody recognizing these it's obvious that won't be the case 99% of the time. So yeah, just normal hidden messages here.

 

[anaron]

Wow that's fucking disturbing.

For something to be subliminal it still needs to influence the reader, and just by looking at this thread with almost nobody recognizing these it's obvious that won't be the case 99% of the time. So yeah, just normal hidden messages here.

Uh, the message kinda matters?

 

[mreddie]

DC right now

Syaf also did this in Batgirl, but was gonna do Green Lanterns.

 

[Mac the KNife]

DC right now

Not quite.

 

[Zeroth]

And let's face it, the past two weeks has not been kind to them.

Why's that?

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Not quite.

Was that run Simone's Batgirl?

 

[RoadHazard]

is this a real verse? wtf lol

Why wouldn't it be...? Not that shocking compared to some other stuff in that book.

 

[caliph95]

Not quite.

Can't see it what is that supposed to be

 

[Sandfox]

DC right now

I actually doubt that. It benefits them when things go well for Marvel because that means more people in comic shops. That being said Marvel will release a statement likely on Monday to set things straight.

 

[Deepwater]

The problem is, if your faith is based on the religious text being directly inspired by your god, you can't just say well this part is good, this is bad. Because you're basically saying, "Well I think this part is God's word, but maybe God didn't really mean this part, or this part was actually just some guy with a bad opinion." Fundamentalists believe you have to take the Bible and Quran as 100% God's words, and anything else is an abdication of one's faith, and even heretical.

With many of these religious texts you've got the central tenets of peace and love and respect for fellow people and all those good things, and then you have codified law which was written based on the standards of an ancient world. They're both mixed together in the same single tome in modern times, and conservative factions of those religions say you gotta take it all or none at all.

this a steaming hot take and gross misrepresentation of holy texts of all religions, but especially the Abrahamic trio.

 

[Mac the KNife]

Can't see it what is that supposed to be

Here's the link for details:

First news site to post about it.

But going on context, he slipped a coded message into DC's Batgirl as well.

 

[Salty Rice]

Not quite.

 

[Buckle]

Syaf also did this in Batgirl, but was gonna do Green Lanterns.

Wait...this was caught before and he still got work afterwards?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Not only does he pull this shit but he's a horrible artist and shouldn't have got hired in the first place. He makes Brett Booth look like John Cassady.

Pure Comedy

 

[caliph95]

Wait...this was caught before and he still got work afterwards?

No i think people just noticed, if they did it was just political figures before according to BC and nothing blatantly bigoted till now.

 

[Platy]

Can't see it what is that supposed to be

In previous works, Ardian Syaf has hidden political figures in the background – an issue of Batgirl featured mention of President of Indonesia, Joko Widodo, popularly known as Jokowi, who was the previous governor of Jakarta (or DKI as it is also known).

 

[Einchy]

Can't wait until they fight the evil (((Dr. Globalist))).

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

This dude has to be blacklisted.

 

[eyeball_kid]

this a steaming hot take and gross misrepresentation of holy texts of all religions, but especially the Abrahamic trio.

As someone who grew up in a conservative Christian environment, it's an extremely cold take, but not intended to offend or disrespect anyone's faith.

 

[Buckle]

No i think people just noticed, if they did it was just political figures before according to BC and nothing blatantly bigoted till now.

Guess he got too cocky this time.

Or just didn't give a shit. Got to have a few screws loose to not only think this but risk losing your livelyhood over it.

 

[Vic_Viper]

Has Marvel said anything about this? Seems like the best way to get fired if hes doing this alot.

Brubaker had something similar happen in an issue of one of his books. There were protesters with blank signs and someone just grabbed a random sign from the internet that turned out to be pretty bad. They fixed it after the fact but that was an honest mistake.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Has Marvel said anything about this? Seems like the best way to get fired if hes doing this alot.

Brubaker had something similar happen in an issue of one of his books. There were protesters with blank signs and someone just grabbed a random sign from the internet that turned out to be pretty bad. They fixed it after the fact but that was an honest mistake.

Not yet.
Most likely they are in the weekend at home and not aware of this yet.

 

[caliph95]

Has Marvel said anything about this? Seems like the best way to get fired if hes doing this alot.

Brubaker had something similar happen in an issue of one of his books. There were protesters with blank signs and someone just grabbed a random sign from the internet that turned out to be pretty bad. They fixed it after the fact but that was an honest mistake.

Nothing yet but G. Willow is now probably aware of it.
Guessing they haven't noticed yet or getting ready to play damage control.

 

[PSqueak]

Would Marvel be okay with anti-Christian and anti-Semitic messages put in their comics by Muslim conservative?

Im pretty sure they have done anti christian thematics before, as well as generally anti religious ones.

Doubt they would do antismeitism tho.

 

[Mega]

He deserves to be fired just based on his unprofessionalism and inability to insert his personal political crap into his employer's work. This new anti-religious stuff is another huge layer of shit that makes it a no-brainer to fire him.

 

[Vic_Viper]

If done right this can be really cool, but when used as part of the story of the book lol.

Zur-En-Arrh Batman is a huge example of how this is done properly.

 

[Sandfox]

Has Marvel said anything about this? Seems like the best way to get fired if hes doing this alot.

Brubaker had something similar happen in an issue of one of his books. There were protesters with blank signs and someone just grabbed a random sign from the internet that turned out to be pretty bad. They fixed it after the fact but that was an honest mistake.

I'm not sure if they even have guys in the office on weekends in addition to all the stuff they would want to discuss before making a statement.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

If done right this can be really cool, but when used as part of the story of the book lol.

Zur-En-Arrh Batman is a huge example of how this is done properly.

I don't see how anti-semitic imagery can be done right.

 

[Stereogatari]

is this a real verse? wtf lol

Yes. Islam is terrible.

 

[pantsattack]

That's not a subliminal message, more like an Easter egg or just a hidden reference.

 

[Vic_Viper]

I don't see how anti-semitic imagery can be done right.

Not what I meant at all. Leaving subliminal messages in terms of your story, not ones personal views.

As in having Hydra stuff hidden in Caps room before people figure out he's a Hydra agent.

Or the Zurenarhh graffiti in Morrison's Batman.

Leaving hidden messages that are Anti-Semitic or anything similar that is done for the artists personal reasons is completely wrong and needs to be dealt with.

 

[Frozenprince]

this a steaming hot take and gross misrepresentation of holy texts of all religions, but especially the Abrahamic trio.

Don't expect any different here.

 

[Chmpocalypse]

this a steaming hot take and gross misrepresentation of holy texts of all religions, but especially the Abrahamic trio.

It's not, though. What some call "reasonable people taking the good and leaving the bad" is really just cherry-picking. I'm happy when that leads to believers doing good things, but the reality is that those who cherry-picking the other way have just as much evidence to support their position. I mean, it's your God who's supposed to decide what is and isn't applicable. How do you decide what to leave and what to apply when everything in the book is intended (according to the text) to be equally valid?

 

[Wanderer5]

Wow this is fucked up, especially if this is being aimed at Kitty.

 

[Bronx-Man]

That's just fucked on all levels. Dude needs to be fired asap.

 

[FyreWulff]

is this a real verse? wtf lol

You should read up on what the New Testament has on Jews.

All the major books basically have a "press here for instant war" button.

 

[Deepwater]

It's not, though. What some call "reasonable people taking the good and leaving the bad" is really just cherry-picking. I'm happy when that leads to believers doing good things, but the reality is that those who cherry-picking the other way have just as much evidence to support their position. I mean, it's your God who's supposed to decide what is and isn't applicable. How do you decide what to leave and what to apply when everything in the book is intended (according to the text) to be equally valid?

to you.

 

[Lashley]

As if the X-Men books couldn't get worse

 

[XAL]

"conservative movement"

Bigotry and Hatred


Just call it what it is.

 

[Sandfox]

As if the X-Men books couldn't get worse

The reception to the new stuff has been mostly positive so far.