Undead Fantasy
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We aren't that lucky.
They needed to explain shit this episode. They can still do it next one but I doubt it.
Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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We aren't that lucky.
They needed to explain shit this episode. They can still do it next one but I doubt it.
Infinite Justice
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Ever since he did that "fuck you" move to Semi-Perfect cell he had become a favorite for me. Hopefully he gets to shine.
Un no. Piccolo did no such thing. They were evenly matched. If it wasn't for Cell interrupting 17 would have easily defeated Piccolo due to stamina.
TheSpoiler
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Z was stupid, but it did two things differently: a). the powerups were explained beforehand (for the most part) and throughout the show, and b). training was shown. So the viewer had natural progression to latch onto.
Stupid Namekian power up was dumb, but at least there was buildup. Like, the old dude explained it, we saw the effects, and therefore, it wasn't AS dumb as the usual shit.
17 is just "lol I trained". No real explanation, and his training and bio-ness has to be inferred. It makes it harder to swallow and more glaring.
Z still had some weird powerups that didn't do this, but Super has been really bad. Part of me thinks it's due to time constraints, because Z would drag that shit for many, many episodes. Again, I'm not gonna hate on people who want consistency or better than what we had in Z. It's cool that we are getting more fights out of the characters, but they could have at least given the viewers a throwaway line.
Gohan and Piccolo is a good example of them handling it well in my eyes, so it's not like it ain't possible.
So basically, whether or not you like what Super is doing is a YMMV. Some of us don't mind, others do, and neither side is really wrong. Hell, you can like/dislike it and still have criticisms or praise. Dunno why people think it needs to be a singular side.
Personally, the Black arc was annoying, but they are doing enough in this one to explain stuff (or that I have to infer), that I'm okay with it. It's not ideal, but I like how things are going. Everyone needs to stop being so aggressive in these debates and remember people like DB for different reasons and stop being so catty about whether or not Super is good.
Stupid Namekian power up was dumb, but at least there was buildup. Like, the old dude explained it, we saw the effects, and therefore, it wasn't AS dumb as the usual shit.
17 is just "lol I trained". No real explanation, and his training and bio-ness has to be inferred. It makes it harder to swallow and more glaring.
Z still had some weird powerups that didn't do this, but Super has been really bad. Part of me thinks it's due to time constraints, because Z would drag that shit for many, many episodes. Again, I'm not gonna hate on people who want consistency or better than what we had in Z. It's cool that we are getting more fights out of the characters, but they could have at least given the viewers a throwaway line.
Gohan and Piccolo is a good example of them handling it well in my eyes, so it's not like it ain't possible.
So basically, whether or not you like what Super is doing is a YMMV. Some of us don't mind, others do, and neither side is really wrong. Hell, you can like/dislike it and still have criticisms or praise. Dunno why people think it needs to be a singular side.
Personally, the Black arc was annoying, but they are doing enough in this one to explain stuff (or that I have to infer), that I'm okay with it. It's not ideal, but I like how things are going. Everyone needs to stop being so aggressive in these debates and remember people like DB for different reasons and stop being so catty about whether or not Super is good.
Krillin will take any position given to him.
Edit: You guys will get over this in an episode anyway.
Reizo Ryuu
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This is dumb, smh.
So could Trunks and Frieza after their "training". 17 started far stronger than both.
* shrug *
donkey show
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Vicetrailia
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I think you're just off put that SSG isn't as special as they made it seem like.
Undead Fantasy
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Trunks never reached god level by training.
Well he did his mental training and he trained with Vegeta a bit.
Undead Fantasy
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And he didn't reach god level.
JadedWriter
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The Minotaurus straight up looks like a JRPG monster.
JadedWriter
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So Goku was just about to punch the last one of a known species to death. Good guy Goku.
it's exactly the opposite of that and getting better but sure
Lamel
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Hahaha definitely this; it's a kids show where there often isn't a "right" or "wrong", so something happening in the show isn't an affront to anyone personally.
JadedWriter
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How the fuck is 17 hanging with SSB Goku and why isn't 18 this strong?
Yeah me too. If Goku busts out SSB to evaluate him, I'll be really excited to see how Tien handles it. If Tien is suddenly strong as fuck, you ain't gonna hear a single complaint from me haha.
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SSBlue seems like the weakest, most useless transformation ever. God Powers my ass. Krillin handled it pretty well. Seems like everyone can hang Goku. They need a new transformation that actually seems powerful.
go watch the fight with krillin again. He couldn't handle it on his own that was the ENTIRE point
18 didn't train, and she was created weaker than 17 since Gero thought the power was the reason 17 was not listening to orders.
Well, if that idiot couldn't turn god when his mother got killed in front of him, I'm gonna go ahead and assume the training was rather effective. Especially since he seemed certain he'd surpass Vegeta... Which he did...
Undead Fantasy
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JadedWriter
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So apparently 17 is a nihilist.
I like 18, but she let herself get soft. 17 has a family and a whole island to protect and he's hanging with the big leagues.
ArchedThunder
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JadedWriter
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Tell that to SSJ Vegeta's broke ass arm...
Icyflamez96
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He did. How do people even argue this? There is no logic behind this point of view.
Trunks abruptly went from weaker than SSJ3 Goku to god without even a transformation in that tag team episode. He was affected by Blacks Kamehameha the same SSB Goku was. That's the least sense making thing in the whole series and you let that slide for some reason. The show hardly even tried to make it make sense.
Infinite Justice
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She never seemed to be a fan of fighting anyways so her settling down and concentrating on her family instead of training makes sense.
Its all about getting that paper to provide for he family.
ArchedThunder
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She kicked Vegeta's ass, that doesn't mean she cared about fighting. 17 was the one who was proud of his power, 18 kinda just tagged along.
18 is about getting that guap. Fighting is just a means to an end for her haha.
She really is quite a bit different than her twin. I believe 18 would very much give a shit about Universe 7 getting erased.
Icyflamez96
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I still think 17 got power from absorbing Goku's SSB Kamehameha.
Undead Fantasy
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Trunks only reached god level with Super Saiyan Rage.
People can survive getting hit by people way stronger than them. There's nothing wrong with that.
That'd make sense because SSJ Goku was able to kick 17.
17 used an Aura for the first time after the "barrier" and kamehameha.
That would have been cool.
Reizo Ryuu
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Is gaf busted, or are people just being annoying and pre-quoting everyone?
He didn't just survive, he literally blocked attacks from SSR Black multiple times and was able to best him in that same episode.
And hell, it's not like SSB Goku was doing great against regular Zamasu in this episode yet Trunks did better than him.
It's busted.
Icyflamez96
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Goku and Trunks were affected in the same way. Black's Kamehameha heavily damaged both of them and they were basically out of commission.
Considering the enormous gap between SSJ3 and even just regular SSG, a blast that puts Goku in bad shape should have obliterated anything pre SSJ3 level. Them being affected in the EXACT same way was the show indicating they were on the same level, which makes way less sense than this 17 stuff.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
This meltdown over power levels has really brought back the Dragon Ball nostalgia in full force. It's just like the lunch table arguments we had back in middle school
JadedWriter
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So pretty much 17 is the brains of that duo? I guess getting her away from 17 was for the best. Did Toriyama not make designs for 17's family?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Infinite Justice
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Its either that or someone boasting how they supposedly saw later episodes and it had blood and shit.
The Silver
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18 met the fate of all female fighters, had a kid and became a housewife, it's the curse of Chi Chi.
Someone save Brola, no one could handle her anyway.
Someone save Brola, no one could handle her anyway.
Undead Fantasy
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People forget that Zamasu and Black never tried to kill them until they fused.
There's a reason Zamasu said that Trunks was of no use for them anymore just before the latter used the Mafuba.
They were using him to get Black stronger. That's even said in the manga as well.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Guys Goku grows a beard and fuses with Piccolo like fifty episodes from now. I swear it's true, I even found a picture
ArchedThunder
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I assume you mean 18 is the brains.
As for 17's family, I assume they just either haven't made designs or it'll be some reveal later that his wife is an existing character.
Was Goku trying to kill 17 ?
Plus this is retarded. Trunks blocked a blow that was meant for Blue Goku with no problem. They had no reason to hold back.
Plus Vegeta saved Goku and Trunks with a Final Flash so what the fuck are you talking about ?
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