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[SlickShoes]

And watch the SNP landslide north of the border again get ignored and Indiref denied for longer.

If you live outside England you may as well not vote in a general election.

 

[mclem]

Didn't the Tories make significant gains from the Lib Dem collapse at the last election? Are they really going to be able to challenge Labour enough to counteract the very real potential of losing quite a few seats back to the Lib Dems, particularly in remain constituencies? I guess I'm probably completely misjudging it!

Lib Dems are the wildcard here. They're *probably* too small and ineffectual to have much of an impact, but they're likely to be the go-to party for the most avid remainers, which might help them recover a bit from the drubbing last time. They need to get that message out there, though!

 

[tomtom94]

This isn't really true, though. There's close to no difference between what Corbyn is proposing and what Ed Miliband proposed, but Ed still did (somewhat) better than Corbyn.

The stuff that Corbyn's pitched to the membership is much further than Miliband ever dared go to, and I think we can agree that the media treatment of both men has been unbelievable - bacon sandwiches and poppies, for fuck's sake.

But it has shown that Miliband, for all his faults, could at least whip a vote without pissing off his entire party (and I'd argue he was more hamstrung by Balls than any fault of his own).

 

[Real Hero]

Of course public sentiment will shift based on how EU negotiations are going. It's patently obvious to everyone involved that EU negotiations will be shit, that every other trade partner we negotiate with will have us over a barrel, and that the negotiations are being run by cretins. An early election while the polls are still in their favour is the obvious best move for a morally bankrupt party intent on dragging us into a political situation that's disastrous for everyone except for their donors.

What true labour values is corbyn championing (with actual policy) that the last few leaders did not?

 

[pswii60]

Will remainers vote for LibDems in their droves? Will be interesting.

 

[jem0208]

Let's hope this is another case where the polls get it completely wrong.

Man it would be glorious if the conservatives lost it (I know it's never going to happen, let me dream).

Will remainers vote for LibDems in their droves? Will be interesting.

I'll be voting LibDem. My dad, who's usually staunchly pro conservative said he will be as well.

 

[TeamLeftMatch]

Heard the same thing 7 years ago. The NHS is going nowhere.

Of course it's not going to go away

Spoiler

it'll be privatised

 

[Tacitus_]

I dare hope for sanity and halt of Brexit

Sanity? Maybe, but I doubt Brexit could even get halted if the UK wants it to. Any of the EU members can veto halting the talks and the UK hasn't exactly been making friends lately.

 

[Feorax]

Anyone thinking of voting Labour/Corbyn needs to remember that Corbyn wants a Hard Brexit just as badly as Theresa May, if not moreso.

A vote for Labour is just as much a vote for a Hard Brexit as a vote for the Conservatives.

Brexit is happening regardless, as shit as it is.

Best we can hope for is a party elected that doesn't want to absolutely bumfuck the working classes to make the rich richer for the foreseeable future. Not going to happen though.

 

[Scousefury]

If an opposition party ever wants to save any sort of face whatsoever, they absolutely cannot say no to a general election when offered.

Sometimes the only way to win is to not play.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

This won't hurt Brexit negotiations...

 

[sammex]

 

[oti]

Will remainers vote for LibDems in their droves? Will be interesting.

With Corbyn in power it's the only option, really.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

The in fighting started the moment the leader of labour was who the voters wanted and not who labour wanted.

They've been a bunch of whining pricks from day one.

Corbyn isn't the best, but that's all the more reason for them to show solidarity instead of the fucking shit stirring bollocks that's been going on for how long now.

Corbyn is an idiot and Labour should be ashamed that he was voted to be the party's leader.

 

[amanset]

It's not a case of the opposition being incompetent so much as a massive hatchet job in the media on the basis that the Labour party have somehow managed to choose a leader who stands for actual Labour values rather than being a Thatcherite. A lot of people who are anti-Corbyn would actually be very much in favour of a lot of his policies - policies which you'd never have had from Labour with another leader.

His values aren't the problem. I want to like him, I really do. He stands for a lot of what I stand for.

But he's an absolutely terrible leader and as such is woefully unqualified to run the country.

 

[Jezbollah]

I can see lots of Lib Dem gains this time around, especially from the west country Conservative gains in 2015 and Pro EU Labour in the Cities.

Dont think the Conservatives are going to top 400, but then again we are talking Corbyn..

Think the most interesting aspect will be the north

 

[Ont]

Anyone thinking of voting Labour/Corbyn needs to remember that Corbyn wants a Hard Brexit just as badly as Theresa May, if not moreso.

A vote for Labour is just as much a vote for a Hard Brexit as a vote for the Conservatives.

I wish Lib Dems would have the balls to oppose any form of Brexit. The only party that can do that.

 

[ss1]

Well it looks like for me that voting SNP is the only sane choice I have.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

So, I don't understand. Are elections good or bad news?

Typically in the UK there has been three main parties - the Tories (look after the rich), Labour (look after the working class) and the Lib Dems (just kind of there). At the moment Labour and the Lib Dems are in a shambles and the Tories will walk this election. You've also got the far-right nationalist hate party UKIP (UK Independence Party) who have been gaining a lot of mindshare in recent years and will probably prosper from this election too.

 

[pitchfork]

Hmmm..Was just talking about this down the boozer yesterday

 

[kmag]

Ultimately what England wants, it'll get. If England wants to elect Tories, we'll all get saddled with Tories. So this is a good thing. It'll just hasten the end.

 

[AzureSkies]

Anyone thinking of voting Labour/Corbyn needs to remember that Corbyn wants a Hard Brexit just as badly as Theresa May, if not moreso.

A vote for Labour is just as much a vote for a Hard Brexit as a vote for the Conservatives.

this is truly the darkest timeline

 

[KarneeKarnay]

The in fighting started the moment the leader of labour was who the voters wanted and not who labour wanted.

They've been a bunch of whining pricks from day one.

Corbyn isn't the best, but that's all the more reason for them to show solidarity instead of the fucking shit stirring bollocks that's been going on for how long now.

Labour need to either put up or shut up. There is an election on. Either get behind the train now or remove Corbyn. You can't afford any divisions now. The Conservatives have a big lead and May is setting herself up as one of the people. Labour need to point out how much the Conservatives have screwed up.

Labour could win this if they play it right. No chance if there are still fighting each other.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Will be my first election voting for SNP bring it on.

 

[Mr. Sam]

This isn't really true, though. There's close to no difference between what Corbyn is proposing and what Ed Miliband proposed, but Ed still did (somewhat) better than Corbyn.

One of the main disappointments of the Corbyn leadership has been that his policies on the whole have really just been reheated Millibandism. With the savaging his parliamentary party and the press have - in my mind, largely justifiably - given him, you'd think he'd sooner have been hanged as a sheep than as a lamb. But still, nothing. Compare and contrast with Jean-Luc Mélenchon. Corbyn's not come close to offering anything nearly as radical as a universal basic income.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Well it looks like for me that voting SNP is the only sane choice I have.

Same.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

The funny thing is that remainers have nobody to vote for.....

Conservatives? Fuck no.

Labour? Corbyn has never showed passion for remaining in the EU.

Lib Dems? Wasted vote.


It's crazy.

 

[Eddie_Khaled]

I WANT TO STAY IN THE EU !!!!!!!!!!

 

[Real Hero]

people keep saying corbyn is calling for the same hard brexit as may. examples?

 

[Daffy Duck]

So, how long do we give the NHS? 18 months?

Til the 10th June.

 

[Symphonia]

So much for her statement about how the UK is now stronger than ever, eh? She's bailing out because she realised she fucked up royally in regards to Brexit and the EU negotiations. She wants to run before any deal is set in concrete,

 

[JonathanEx]

Here we go, here we fucking go!

Well personally I think it'll be Labour for me. I like our local MP, high share of the vote locally (55%), and locally the threat is Green v LD, and Greens have been stronger recently. Basically anything but the conservatives, and it'd need to be a historic swing to make a LD vote worth it.

 

[Dougald]

Liberal Democrats. A vote for Labour is a vote for Brexit. That leaves the Liberal Democrats as the only English opposition party.

Pretty much, if I don't want Brexit, why would I vote Labour? Then I'd get Brexit *and* Corbyn

(real talk, I live in a safe Tory seat so my vote is worthless anyway)

 

[offshore]

Jesus, the choice is so bad you may as well Vote Loony.

 

[MrS]

I can see lots of Lib Dem gains this time around, especially from the west country Conservative gains in 2015 and Pro EU Labour in the Cities.

Dont think the Conservatives are going to top 400, but then again we are talking Corbyn..

Think the most interesting aspect will be the north

Hope not. Some will have forgiven Clegg for fucking over students and reneging on his pledges. I haven't and I hope many others haven't too. Farron is another Clegg.

 

[pswii60]

But I thought the fixed terms parliament act blocked this?

No, the fixed term parliament act prevents the government from calling a snap general election without getting a two-third majority from parliament. Hence, the parliament vote tomorrow.

But if Labour votes against a snap election, their reputation will be in tatters. And Corbyn has said constantly that 'he is ready for a general election', so May is basically saying.. well, go on then if you think you're hard enough.

British politics has been such a rollercoaster ride over the last 12 months! Entertaining but also so tiring.

 

[Ghost]

Quick note: Anyone who tells you Brexit can be undone is lying to you, Article 50 has been triggered, the UK will leave the EU. If we wanted back in we'd have to renegotiate that entry which would mean an even worse deal than we already have (no pound, no rebate, no immigration limitations). I think the Lib Dems will get ripped to shreds if they try and claim they can somehow keep us in the EU.

 

[Ravensmash]

Here we go!

Can't wait for the bat shit insane media drive now.

 

[ANuclearError]

Scotland are playing England on 10th of June, that'll be fun.

 

[axisofweevils]

The statement about No second Scotland ref because of uncertainty looks really hollow now lol

 

[Hazzuh]

Looking forward to seeing what dirt CCHQ has on Corbyn. Just think of all the dumb stuff he's said about the IRA and NATO and Hamas and Hezbollah and...

 

[Lagamorph]

Brexit is happening regardless, as shit as it is.

Best we can hope for is a party elected that doesn't want to absolutely bumfuck the working classes to make the rich richer for the foreseeable future. Not going to happen though.

That's not clear yet. If the Lib Dems win they'd almost certainly make their first order of business to contact the EU and attempt to immediately withdraw Article 50. There is nothing to outright say this cannot be done and I suspect that the EU would go along with it because it'd be by far the easiest option for them as well.

I wish Lib Dems would have the balls to oppose any form of Brexit. The only party that can do that.

The Lib Dems DO oppose Brexit, publically and vocally so.

 

[Jezbollah]

Another aspect here.

May just fired the gun on the next Labour leadership contest. oO

 

[Bony Manifesto]

Liberal Democrats. A vote for Labour is a vote for Brexit. That leaves the Liberal Democrats as the only English opposition party.

Except you know it doesn't work like that. Depending on your constituency, a vote for the Lib Dems instead of Labour is effectively a vote for the Conservatives (like my constituency for example ).

 

[Number45]

The funny thing is that remainers have nobody to vote for.....

Conservatives? Fuck no.

Labour? Corbyn has never showed passion for remaining in the EU.

Lib Dems? Wasted vote.


It's crazy.

If enough people do it, even if it's not enough to TRULY make a difference, and it gets noticed it's not a wasted vote. Right now I'll take any opportunity to let the government know that the country is pretty fucking divided on this issue.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Quick note: Anyone who tells you Brexit can be undone is lying to you, Article 50 has been triggered, the UK will leave the EU. If we wanted back in we'd have to renegotiate that entry which would mean an even worse deal than we already have (no pound, no rebate, no immigration limitations). I think the Lib Dems will get ripped to shreds if they try and claim they can somehow keep us in the EU.

As the vote for impotent rage, I think they could do quite well. Probably not over forty seats but a stark contrast to the electoral oblivion they were facing before Brexit.

 

[Jackpot]

It's not a case of the opposition being incompetent so much as a massive hatchet job in the media on the basis that the Labour party have somehow managed to choose a leader who stands for actual Labour values rather than being a Thatcherite. A lot of people who are anti-Corbyn would actually be very much in favour of a lot of his policies - policies which you'd never have had from Labour with another leader.

None of that changes his incompetence. Make him a policy wonk if you think he's good at that. He has no clue how to lead:

Hatchet job, my ass.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

Labour need to either put up or shut up. There is an election on. Either get behind the train now or remove Corbyn. You can't afford any divisions now. The Conservatives have a big lead and May is setting herself up as one of the people. Labour need to point out how much the Conservatives have screwed up.

Labour could win this if they play it right. No chance if there are still fighting each other.

That's a precious stance you got there. Unfortunately for you, and everyone else in the UK that isn't hip on being lead by Fascists, Corbyn is too fucking stupid and venal to grasp what an ineffectual "leader" he is. Sad!

 

[RangerX]

It's not a case of the opposition being incompetent so much as a massive hatchet job in the media on the basis that the Labour party have somehow managed to choose a leader who stands for actual Labour values rather than being a Thatcherite. A lot of people who are anti-Corbyn would actually be very much in favour of a lot of his policies - policies which you'd never have had from Labour with another leader.

As an Irishman looking in I have to say I'm absolutely baffled at all the negativity around Corbyn. This is a man who genuinely wants a fairer and more egalitarian society and his policies are geared towards achieving that. He's a genuine labour socialist. Tow thirds of his MPs have shafted him and like you say the media have destroyed him. Do people really want another Blair leading the labour party. Brexit is going to have a massive effect here in Ireland so the softer brexit the better.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

If enough people do it, even if it's not enough to TRULY make a difference, and it gets noticed it's not a wasted vote. Right now I'll take any opportunity to let the government know that the country is pretty fucking divided on this issue.

But they won't and that s the problem.