Theresa May Statement: June 8th General Election requested
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autumnleaf
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This is the part of the game where May says "checkmate" and Corbyn dimly replies "We were playing chess?"
HazySaiyan
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And that's part of why there won't be, because of attitudes like this.
Don't be pathetic, vote against who you don't want to win
nature boy
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Am I the only one that thinks the Tories can only go down, despite the shitstain called Corbyn?
JonnyDBrit
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Because if you try, there's at least some small chance, and a foundation to build on for the future.
Don't vote, and there's not even that.
McBradders
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I think you might be, chum.
I did. You said you voted for your candidate because you like May. You should be voting for the best candidate to serve your community, because they are better than the other candidates looking to be elected for your council, not because of who leads their party. That's why I asked the question.
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Any Labour Party serious about one day retaking power can't seriously fight Brexit, though. Most of the people who left the Labour Party from 2005 to the present date were pro-Leave. They were driven out of the party by urbane metropolitan lefty liberals, when much of the Labour Party's traditional base was quite small c-conservative - it was Labour that opposed entry to the ECM, after all. Any Labour leader in Corbyn's position would have done the same (I mean, done fuck all to stop it happening). It's not an election winner. Remainers were a minority, "Hard Remain" people who think it ought not happen at all even after the referendum are even less.
I think you just have to face up the fact that our day is both over and at the same time yet to come, Maledict. The left is not synonymous with liberalism and the attempts to make it so have killed it.
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
Ah, fuck. Tories are gonna clean house this time. It's just pitiful at this point.
Someone smack the Ovaltine out of Corbyn's hand and tell him to wake the fuck up.
Someone smack the Ovaltine out of Corbyn's hand and tell him to wake the fuck up.
itsbenoclock
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God, who the fuck do I vote for? Labour just pissing on their own shoes and Conservatives being conservatives. Lib Dems? Not even sure anymore. I suppose Labour it is.
MrMysterio
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See your vote as your first step towards being the opposition.
Vote pragmatically against this power grab, and hope that party gets enough power to be an opposition.
Don't think about hope in this context - there's no more hope, there are only pragmatic decisions and not giving up.
Herr Schwarz
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Yes "fuck off" in Britain is normal people speak for "I politely disagree"
They'll blame the EU.
Smart move by the Tories.... No one can even fight toe to toe against them at the moment with Corbyn stubbornly doing what he is, and Farron struggling to even get notice.
As much as I dislike Corbyn, I feel like voting for Labour is the best thing I can do to try and stop the Conservatives from getting such a majority. >.< That said, I doubt my seat will fall to the conservatives anyway, it's been a hold for Labour for a long long time.
As much as I dislike Corbyn, I feel like voting for Labour is the best thing I can do to try and stop the Conservatives from getting such a majority. >.< That said, I doubt my seat will fall to the conservatives anyway, it's been a hold for Labour for a long long time.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
That's what they're relying on. Apathy just ensures the continuation of the status quo.
Psychotext
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Pretty much how I feel about it.
Blackthorn
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Investigate your local candidates and make your decision based on who you think is best for your community. Your local MP has a more significant impact on your day to day.
Nah. They fucked the economy for years and blamed it on "the mess inherited from the last Government" for as long as they could. People ate that shit up.
When Brexit fucks all of us, The Sun and the Daily Mail will do their part and help blame it on "vindictive, meddling Eurocrats and leeching foreigners trying to stifle Britain's greatness." People will eat that shit up too.
The Tories will get away clean.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
There is no such thing as a wasted vote.
Vote for who's policies are the most aligned with yours. If none appeal, spoil the ballot paper, it'll still be counted. If you whinge about the state of things, but not use your right to vote then you're to blame.
Vote for who's policies are the most aligned with yours. If none appeal, spoil the ballot paper, it'll still be counted. If you whinge about the state of things, but not use your right to vote then you're to blame.
To be fair, that is an actual position that does make sense.
A general election was going to happen at some point in the next three years anyway. It is part of parcel of the country, we know how to do it. Yes, it introduces uncertainty (although not much!), but it was going to happen.
Scottish independence is a completely different kettle of fish. It's a massive constitutional issue that, if it happened before Brexit was completed, would create an unsolvable legal, financial and diplomatic issue.
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This isn't really especially true, though.
no thanks
cartoon_soldier
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He won't obviously.
SlipperyFishes
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This is about Theresa May trying to legitimise her PM position by being publicly elected into office instead of inheriting the role.
MrS
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I will clear this up for you as I could have worded it better.
100% yes, which is why I voted for the Conservative candidate in my area last time around.
Not a reference to May, just a reference to my local candidate who is a man.
She is a better leader than Corbyn and Farron. That's incontrovertible.
Referring to May here
Apologies for the confusion caused.
As unlikely as it was that they'd even see significant gains, the mere existence of the possibility that someone would vote UKIP set this whole darn Brexit thing going.
Even if whoever you voted for doesn't win in the end, there's importance in showing that there are people who are willing to vote in another direction, even if that is ultimately just potentially galvanising a movement for the next election. Sitting there thinking there's not point in doing something that takes very little time changes nothing.
Audioboxer
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"Vote you cunt" translates to "please vote my good sir/madam". It's all good in British banter.
I am prepared to sell out my values and vote for whoever has the best chance of beating the Tories.
It just fucking sucks that what was always the most obvious option Labour have lost so much credibility. The prospect of trying to convince millions of the anti-Tory demographic to unite behind a single option seems virtually impossible.
Fuck this fucking shit.
It just fucking sucks that what was always the most obvious option Labour have lost so much credibility. The prospect of trying to convince millions of the anti-Tory demographic to unite behind a single option seems virtually impossible.
Fuck this fucking shit.
Yeah...if anything, we'll see who really supports Brexit regardless of the consequences.
Maybe she thinks things will start to recover post-Brexit in 2022 therefore putting her in a better position for re-election.
Oh, I'm aware of all of that, I just find it funny that someone Is accusing the centre left of not having an ideology whereas it's them who are willing to face down the barrel of electoral suicide in order to stick with their pro European stance. Meanwhile, the supposedly principled Corbyn is happy to waffle and make a very naked political decision to Try and win votes.
Here's my conundrum for you. I'm currently in a labour constituency, but my MP is Kate Hoey. Who the fuck do I vote for!
Bony Manifesto
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I think he'll probably call another leadership election.
Will it matter? The Tories have secured the reigns of the UK during the two most significant periods in recent British history. The damage is already done. You absolutely can say goodbye to the UK resembling a European Social Democracy from now on, we're about to take a huge lurch towards a more American social system.
MrS
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She is a saint by comparison to the other options.
On the subject of spying laws: if you aren't being naughty, what do you have to hide?
CyclopsRock
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I dare say we'll survive.
The GE was scheduled to happen after the 2 years exit negotiations. May was anti distractions and whichever way you slice it, elections are massive distractions.
JonnyDBrit
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To be honest while that sounds ideal, I'm not certain of that. Because there's two factors to consider there:
1) Whether or not the party base would actually attribute a loss in the GE to Corbyn, or external factors like the fact it's going to be a Brexit rather than policy driven election. They may deflect the blame so they can keep the figurehead they prefer, and claim he'll win in better circumstances, rather than admit he just can't appeal to the country at large.
2) Whether or not they want the optics of having fought so hard to keep Corbyn, only to then drop him, within two years of putting him in power. That would make the party look pretty unstable and even weaker than it's already perceived to be, and would probably lead to a short term drop in popularity even further before they find a replacement.
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So. I have complex feelings about Kate Hoey. Personally, I can't stand most of her stances and find her views thoroughly objectionable. However, she also represents a severely under-represented Labour demographic - she has consistently voted in-line with Labour's working class base, far more so than the rest of the party, on issues like the smoking ban or leaving the EU that working-class Labour voters overwhelmingly backed. Removing her from the party or wishing her ousting really would be the final symbol that Labour is no longer a working-class party and is instead a metropolitan party.
My personal stance would be to vote for her to ensure that the working classes do actually have their own representation and not just the liberal elite deciding what's best for them... and then do your best to change people's stances on an individual level.
Flintty
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Hey im British myself and am fully aware of the use of the term but here, on NeoGAF people are usually are banned for it. There are acitive threads going on at the moment talking about the nature/behaviour of people on the forum where a mod has discussed being nice to each other/not throwing stones but then a mod comes in here with a 'fuck off' shit post?! I'm sorry but that's double standards and a poor reflection of the current state of this place.
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