Trunks has lived an absolutely depressing life.
still too soon =(
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Trunks has lived an absolutely depressing life.
still too soon =(
ArchedThunder
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LOL, base Goku Black shows up in one of the new parallel quests for Xenoverse 2 and Schemmel is still using the edge lord voice for the new dialogue for the quest. Pick a voice.
In fact, it almost sounds deeper to me.
In fact, it almost sounds deeper to me.
Icyflamez96
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That other voice is specifically for SSR.
ArchedThunder
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Which is incredibly stupid. I'm saying base Black has brand new dialogue for this quest and he uses the old voice.
It does sound like him.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Icyflamez96
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Scratch that. I missed the base part.
Well yeah, I get that. His old voice is for base black, and the voice we just heard now if for SSR. So there you go.
ArchedThunder
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Why would Black change from an edge lord to a posh British guy with Rose? It's dumb.
He sounds like he's choking on a pound of gravel in the new lines.
Icyflamez96
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Stylistic choice. I'm just telling you that so you're less confused as to why he "went back to his old voice".
Shouldn't it be SSRGB?
Icyflamez96
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It should be SSGGSSG(R)GB
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Yep
Here it is
Edit: Wait, I wrote two essays about Trunks (lol)
Here's my pre-Black arc essay
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Chaotic-Strike
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I'll take British Goku Black any day over whatever the heck that is supposed to be.
Hopefully, Sabat steps in and makes the sensible decision when we get to that arc.
foxuzamaki
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I think its funny that future gohan is so incredibly weak, his 10+ younger self got incredibly stronger than him when future gohan probably had a ton of zenkai boosts
Undead Fantasy
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Present Gohan trained in the chamber though.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
To me it's not that far fetched. It's like technology. When you reach certain breakthroughs, advancement increases exponentially. Things get much better much faster. Future Gohan was working with what they had learned by the time of Frieza's defeat. He managed to achieve Super Saiyan on his own, which is very impressive, and for all intents and purposes he was as strong as or stronger than Namek Goku was. Present Gohan had all sorts of training and outside help, and was able to reach that breakthrough point much earlier in his life, allowing him to become stronger than his Future counterpart very easily, and far surpass him by the time he caught up in age.
The Silver
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Gohan sucks eggs at training by himself, garbage without his dad and that guy who eats Chi Chi's food
It's odd that Mr. Popo int he future never told Trunks or Gohan about the time chamber. If I'm not mistaken, he was still alive in the future timeline correct? It seems like it would have been a good idea to let the fighters of that time know about it.
Romars202129
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Its cause they nerfed the androids right? When they decided to go with cell
I believe Trunks said the main timeline's 17 and 18 were stronger than the ones from the future.
In the anime special, the future androids are weaker than the Z timeline. Trunks says this in the show, that he was able to damage them in the future, and we see it in the special, that after just turning SSJ he was able to somewhat take one on.
In the manga there's no way to know because the androids tell Gohan they've been holding back the whole time, and I'm not sure if that line about Trunks being somewhat on par with the androids is in the manga, but even then that's set up to not matter with the Gohan line of them not using full power against him.
Imperfect Cell should have been happy, was going to get a much bigger boost than his Gero planned.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I love Bulmas reaction when Trunks tells her how Vegeta got angry when cell one shotted him in the chest. It's so unbecoming of him.
Host Samurai
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Would love to have seen what Goku, fresh off of Namek would have done vs future 17 & 18. With IT and some strategic planning, I'am sure he would have beaten them.
His 10-year-old self was able to spend a total of four years training with Goku. Future Gohan just spent several years getting his ass kicked over and over; he had no one to actually learn from.
You're wrong. So was Trunks.
They adressed why Gohan wasn't stronger. It's because 17 toyed with him and let him believe he was close in power, so Gohan aimed for a limit that was wrong. He couldn't feel their power so he didn't know they were doing this. The anime (history of Trunks) removed that to make Gohan look "better" while in fact it makes him pass for a moron.
In the manga this is what happened :
Gohan was certain he could beat them based off their last encounter.
Sadly...
So the morality isn't that Gohan sucked, it's that he aimed for the wrong level to attain because of 17's "game".
In the anime they made Gohan stronger than 17 and 18 "individually" which makes him a moron since they have him attack both at the same time.
I think it's because the Black lines were all recorded a long time ago.
Romars202129
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No I mean th androids were originally the big bads of the cell saga, so they were probably initially planned to be as strong as Perfect Cell. Gohan trying and failing to beat enemies that would have been decimated by ascended saiyan his whole life is probably just a plothole caused by the retcon.
Im guessing anyway.
Im guessing anyway.
Except it's not a plothole since the pages from the manga I showed above were made after the androids saga. And this line was specifically added to address why Trunks thought they were weaker and why Gohan never could beat them.
Also I'm not sure what the retcon changed. 17 and 18 were already one shotting them all. Cell just exacerbated the power scaling but I'm not sure what you think changed because of him ?
Jason's Ultimatum
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Man. Poor future Gohan. Too bad Piccolo wasn't there to teach him the smarts of fighting.
Well Piccolo died like a moron, and made the dragon ball disappear, it's not like he was any good.
Also, forgot to mention, but 17 and 18 literally only had one chapter where they were intended as the main villains, because he introduced the notion of Cell the very next chapter they were introduced. He did that because 17 and 18 were deemed too "unthreatening", since they were cool teenagers.
RareFantasy64
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Did all the Buu transformations stem from editorial criticism similar to the creation of all the different androids in the Cell saga?
Host Samurai
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I do wonder how the Android Saga would have played out with 19/20 as the only bosses. I'd assume they would have buffed their absorbition technique and they probably would have fused into Android 39.
That's the good stuff.
actually reading the latest manga chapter ... I don't think it is so bad?
don't think it is that bad to have Merged Zamasu not be eternal because at least one of the parts is not a kaiohshin...but then again kaiohbito was forever and got defused with the dragonballs
the whole Vegeta/Trunks conversation about Bulma is p sweet
we don't really have many quotes from toriyama about it, but it is largely assumed his editor in that saga left him largely alone
but I wouldn't be surprised if the transformations were all toriyama; do note that the first time buu transforms it is tied to the Mr Satan arc, and that arc will go on until the very end of the saga. Mr Satan seems like the kind of character that Toriyama would write by himself so gotta guess the whole thing is his
the transformation into Kid Buu...could be whatever. at least it has Goku fucking up and letting the kids die in favor of Mr Satan so that could support him carrying the Satan arc forward
don't think it is that bad to have Merged Zamasu not be eternal because at least one of the parts is not a kaiohshin...but then again kaiohbito was forever and got defused with the dragonballs
the whole Vegeta/Trunks conversation about Bulma is p sweet
we don't really have many quotes from toriyama about it, but it is largely assumed his editor in that saga left him largely alone
but I wouldn't be surprised if the transformations were all toriyama; do note that the first time buu transforms it is tied to the Mr Satan arc, and that arc will go on until the very end of the saga. Mr Satan seems like the kind of character that Toriyama would write by himself so gotta guess the whole thing is his
the transformation into Kid Buu...could be whatever. at least it has Goku fucking up and letting the kids die in favor of Mr Satan so that could support him carrying the Satan arc forward
Romars202129
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Whether he exacerbated power scale or not is irrelevant. Either the next level was way more unattainable at some point, or it wasn't good enough. Either way Gohan's relative weakness compared his present self is still an anomaly most likely caused by Cells injection into the series.
RareFantasy64
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"Stop bringing down Z to justify 17 being as strong as Super Saiyan Blue!"
RocknRola
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I mean.... in one he was pre-SSJ in the other he was at the limit of a SSJ
he must have seen some horrible stuff after he was a SSJ in the FT timeline and yet...no further powerup
edit: this is mostly about how he had to have seen something worse than the head of 16 being stepped on. the whole 16 head issue is p random
To be fair nothing about the Fututre timeline makes any sense.
But Gohan didn't have Goku to train him in the future timeline
but he had superior father
He was the first to die though
Host Samurai
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Yeah lots of things could have played out differently like where where is everyone in the afterlife? Did the Androids make it to Kami's Lookout? Did 17/18 make it to Penguin Village?
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