NoMoreTrolls
Banned
I'm not saying that it's better or worse now, I'm just saying I don't understand the cheerleading I see for something that doesn't benefit the consumer.
Sony are killing it for 3rd Party Marketing / Exclusive Content Deals
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Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
It benefits Sony's consumers. Early betas/bonus content and such.
I tried to remain impartial to negative in the op about me thoughts on it.
For the record, not a fan as per first line in the op.
If it's important tho, Sony have nailed some really big names.
thepenguin55
Member
Yeah how quickly people forgot how things played out last gen
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
How will EVERYONE know? Not from adds or commercials. The majority of ppl see a commercial and go " wow that looks good! Is it on my system of choice ? Yes?! Ok I'll get it!!"
The Salt Life
Banned
It's not just strikes and skins
Xbox One never got to experience Hawkmoon in all its glory until it was nerfed in year 2.
Jade Rabbit? Only Jade Rabbit on Xbox was an emblem, Sony kept year 2 guns and strikes for two years this time not just one.
So if you don't find that shitty, and anti consumer I don't know what to tell you.
Articles shared on social media and podcasts will do its job pointing out that the Scorpio has superior versions more than likely. But then again, mass market don't listen to podcasts
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
This.
The inverse was true last gen.
They're just the market leaders right now.
The exclusive content and delayed released of the Xbox counterparts for those products is really unnecessary and shitty.
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
Articles on social media?? Sounds like fake news to me.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The Flops are real, the news is fake.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Will Scorpio automatically make all those multi-platform games released from 2013 - early 2017 where 99% of those is worser on Xbox One?
All those 1000's of games worser on Xbox won't be patched to improve with Scorpio. Sony systems got more better multi-plats than Xbox even after years after Scorpio releases
Then 2018/9 comes PS5 comes and again makes games better than Xbox systems yet again,
yurinka
Member
Gaffers aren't representative of the global market. Most players don't read gaming forums or sites. They discover games because they see them on a tv ad, in a bundle or because a friend recommended them.
So having PlayStation or Xbox supporting them with marketing with tv ads and bundles definitively boost them, and they don't know or simply don't give a fuck if this game is also in another system or not.
So having PlayStation or Xbox supporting them with marketing with tv ads and bundles definitively boost them, and they don't know or simply don't give a fuck if this game is also in another system or not.
El-Pistolero
Member
All is fair in war, to an extent. Do I enjoy having a partially amputated game on my console of choice? No! But in 99% of the cases, that content will become available a few weeks, to a few months later; and more often than not, that content is largely dispensable. I understand why companies do it, and if it is a matter of waiting a bit more to enjoy the added sections, costumes and weapons, I do not see the harm at all. Preventing a game from ever appearing on a platform, however, is a dick move (not referencing funded titles, by the way!). But opting for one machine comes with certain sacrifices, and I don't feel entitled enough to expect anything other that what has already come out.
Also, allow me to raise an eyebrow at the repeatedly formulated claim asserting that the big bad rich Sony has been outbidding poor Microsoft on such a large number of deals. Really? I have no expertise to be honest, but even my limited, rudimentary understanding of business practices leads me to believe that publishers would naturally gravitate towards Sony, on account of the sour Xbox reveal and the exceptionally good reception the PS4 had at the very start of the generation. Striking such deals when your rival sells twice to three times more consoles on a monthly basis will certainly prove more expensive.
Also, allow me to raise an eyebrow at the repeatedly formulated claim asserting that the big bad rich Sony has been outbidding poor Microsoft on such a large number of deals. Really? I have no expertise to be honest, but even my limited, rudimentary understanding of business practices leads me to believe that publishers would naturally gravitate towards Sony, on account of the sour Xbox reveal and the exceptionally good reception the PS4 had at the very start of the generation. Striking such deals when your rival sells twice to three times more consoles on a monthly basis will certainly prove more expensive.
I wasn't supporting the practice in my post, what I was saying is that if you want to get rid of it you have to stop the root cause.
Liliana Eileen
Member
Oh my god lmao. Please tell me this is a joke post.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I hate them. I understand they're a part of the business, but I hated them last gen, and I hate them this gen.
That didn't stop the PS2 and it will likely neither stop the PS4.
This is hardly exclusive to the gaming industry.
These sort of deals are everywhere, McDonald's for example don't sell any Pepsi products. Solely Coke.
This, doesnt take a marketing genius to pull it off.
Sadly, since the consumers gain absolutely nothing from it.
Liliana Eileen
Member
The same company that is the reason Titanfall even exists in the way it did?
Remember when Respawn went to Sony to help with Titanfall and Sony pretty much said make it for Vita or fuck off? Good times.
LOL!!! Says the guy with no exclusive content supporting the company that created the trend.
MS is currently trying to throw crazy cash at a number of publishers for exclusive games/content in the future. I suspect they aren't having a lot of success considering virtually all of their biggest second parties are Playstation developers now and Phil spencer is talking about them investing in first parties. If Sony doesn't get Codemasters to do it it wouldn't surprise me if they loan the Motorstorm license to Turn10 for a PS exclusively after they get done with they're secret PS rpg.
Johnny Cage
Member
Don't care about the marketing but the fact that I couldn't access a few destiny strikes for a year really annoyed me. AN ENTIRE YEAR!
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
Nah man it's anti consumer. They should offer all drinks and I as a consumer have no agency or choice in the matter.
Remember when Respawn clarified that it was not even Titanfall they were referring to...
We can all spin narrative. This is a terrible low quality thread. Everyone in here should just shut the .... .. and go play games instead of banter about them.
family_guy
Member
In theory yes, but we can see that's not happening so at least you get some weapons or maps early if you buy those games.
Lightbreaker
Neo Member
Sony is going to loan the MStorm license to Turn10 (A MS first party developer)?
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
This is one of those crucial times where we will find out if a member is the type to double down once they are proven wrong or if they ignore it entirely. Or they could admit they were misinformed and change their outlook on things. Let's see what happens.
MichealJacksonpopcorn.gif
You seem to be offended by that prospect, it's cute. Did I say tons of people ? It's a minority on an internet forum - you're going to see all kinds of posts, my point was making a generalisation and painting a narrative over it is silly.
Yeesh.
Sangetsu-II
Member
*Waiting Intensifies*
MrBenchmark
Member
I think it's bad period. Cross platform game should have the same content available at the same time period. Exclusive for a platform i understand but a game like destiny should not have content locked out for the entire life of the game period. I have played that game on both platforms until now but since Sony and activision are continuing this i'm not going to not play Destiny 2 but i will not be playing on Playstation along with any other activision game Sony made a content deal with them for.
In the case of Destiny 2 this is now going to screw over 2 user bases not just one PC and Xbox.
It's just a bad practice and needs to stop. Make exclusives but stop screwing with cross platform game content.
In the case of Destiny 2 this is now going to screw over 2 user bases not just one PC and Xbox.
It's just a bad practice and needs to stop. Make exclusives but stop screwing with cross platform game content.
Liliana Eileen
Member
That proves nothing, it is just a more gentle-sounding timeline of events then we read years ago. So what if TF was codenamed R1? They went to Sony, but Sony did not want to disclose information regarding the PS4 which wasn't even announced yet. I guarantee that if Sony knew what Titanfall would become they would have rethought their process because TF sold 4x as much at launch than TF2 which not only was on XB1 AND PS4, but at a much, MUCH higher install base. So, yeah.
Okay, now you're just trying to be contrarian. You responded to me saying "just as many."
Other people have asked for you to link proof of this "just as many" people that hope Cyberpunk 2077 is XB1 exclusive (that would be a stupid idea for CD Projeckt). You attempted to strawman and failed.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Waaait because I'm not having a fit I'm supporting it
Marketing deals market their platform.
When you market well you sell more consoles.
When you sell more consoles, you sell more games.
When you sell more games, publishers make more games for your platform.
More games for your customers to enjoy.
That's the idea at least. Don't always shake out like that.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Fanboys will be fanboys.
yurinka
Member
It isn't anti-consumer, they sell some products and as consumer you can buy them or not. If you want another product, you can go to another place to buy them.
McDonalds doesn't sell cars, so if you want one it isn't anticonsumer to don't sell them there. They don't need to have 400 types of drinks, they have what they consider and it's ok.
Same goes with consoles and games. Each console has their own exclusives, and sometimes they have a -often timed- exclusive for the whole game or a DLC. You can buy it or not, in a platform or another.
Nobody is forcing you to eat in McDonalds, or to buy games in a certain console.
Yup. And more consoles sold = more likely to find friends to play with.
Mhmm, and I never said there's a tonne of people supporting Sony's marketing shenanigans either, simply that I've seen just as many hope for Cyberpunk 2077 to be an XBO exclusive, and I'll specify it further to wanting it to be Scorpio's killer app.
That you decided to overlook the purpose of my post and fixate on that one point tells me you really don't care about what I had to say, and if you asked a little more nicely I would bother to expend the effort it would take to backtrack on the threads I've visited and direct you to the relevant posts (which only one poster asked for in jest), but since, like I said, you really don't care about the crux of my post, and instead want to act like a petty brand loyalist defending any possible prospect of your 'camp' looking bad (see, i can generalise too) - I'm going to say no and just enjoy you post some more about how evil Sony and it's fans are.
GhostTrick
Banned
These comparisons are dumb af. The closest comparison would be: What if TV brands started to moneyhat TV channels ? What if DVD players brands started to moneyhat movies ? What if you could only watch Universal movies on Samsung stuff ?
SneakersSO
Member
Except, no one is going to really care. Mainstream consumers, which is really who the 3rd party marketing deals are for, not the enthusiast crowd on GAF, will just see the ads ending with a PS logo & identify its a PS game. Its how the market has always reacted to this sorta thing.
Its even more effective this late in the generation, cause we know about 90 million consumers own a current-gen console, 2/3rd of which are PS4s. So, at this point this giant consumer base is just going to buy the version of the game they already own, and the ones who haven't bought into this gen yet are going to buy the version their friend is getting cause all these games (RDR2, CoD WW2, Destiny 2, SW BF2) have extensive MP modes that they can play with their friends.
Hardware power doesn't matter after a generation is underway; its mostly a comparison point when comparing value propositions two products launching against one another in a similar time frame bring to the table. Right now, when consumers are going to be buying into the generation to enjoy these games, they're going to be looking at the cheaper option (X1 S, PS4 Slim), not the more expensive one. Not even MS believes that the Scorpio is going to outsell the X1 S, and the Pro hasn't outsold the PS4 either.
That's not what I heard. I heard ReSpawn/EA wouldn't accept anything other than straight up dedicated servers for Titanfall totally paid for by Sony and when Sony refused they ran to MS asking for the same thing and got the "Cloud Power" BS and settled for that.
2blackcats
Member
Think May is normally pretty good for some news. Companies want to get some announcements out of the way before E3.
Yeah, the lead up to E3 and time after is always fun here. Hopefully not too much leaks, though.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yep, leaks and official announcements. Should get good soon.
JigglesBunny
Banned
Let's be clear - you still felt this way when Microsoft was pulling this nonsense all last generation, right?
Aizen.S.Kennedy
Banned
I was kidding . I completely agree with you.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
It's completely possible that people are capable of being morally consistent. I can't speak for everyone, but I supported a total of zero of the exclusive DLC campaigns back then from what I remember. Also stopped pre-ordering games with retailer specific DLC as well.