It was hinted by the Elder Namek that the completely fused Piccolo was stronger than Frieza. If Frieza's able to reach God level in a month, i don't see why Piccolo wouldn't be capable of the same thing.
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That would actually be pretty cool.
What does 17 have to do with that though ?
Following that logic Piccolo should be stronger than Vegeta and Gohan.
And the reason is that Piccolo has been training all his life and hit a wall (unlike Frieza and 17 that hadn't trained). I'm sure he can surmount that wall but he doesn't seem to know how to.
Also, I didn't say Piccolo shouldn't be stronger, I asked why are you implying that 17's level is something trivial when he's currently far above most characters.
One Piece regularly gets it from the fandom for its animation outside of a few key moments. It has consistently decent looking episodes, but no one who is a fan of the anime would call it consistently decent looking great, unless you're comparing it to Super.
Episode 67 was presentable with some ugly faces, which One Piece some time have too. Even then, it isn't like before where you really would get some really ugly episodes back-to-back. Which is why I say overall Super is getting consistently decent looking episodes. Asking for consistently great when One Piece doesn't even have that is pie in the sky.
That wasn't filler, he said that in the manga. Specifically, he couldn't keep up with the Saiyans.
You mean the same tournament he jumped shipped on when he was face with the Supreme Kai?
Not everything should be taken as a personal slight, man.
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Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I'm not arguing or anything, just adding my two cents:
He did immediately become stronger than Vegeta and Gohan when fusing with Kami. SS Vegeta got wrecked by 18, who is slightly weaker than 17, and Piccolo was able to go toe-to-toe with 17 right after fusing. The thing is that Saiyans (and androids too, apparently) have massive growth potential, or at least have an easier time growing in strength than others.
Piccolo definitely hit a wall at some point but I hope he overcomes it, because his potential has been just below the Saiyan characters, if not totally equal to them at times, consistently throughout the series. (And I think he is currently/will soon overcome that wall)
Undead Fantasy
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Nope, he didn't.
Yes and did, and Piccolo bailed when it came to the Supreme Kai, so saying it was out of character isn't even true. Even then, Piccolo didn't enter the tournament in the manga despite almost every other fighter being there.
Also this:
Why would Goku take Uub to Whis? Uub is his student, not Whis.
I7's ascension to God level was treated as trivial material on the show, and by trivial i mean there's no exposition to speak of.
power levels dont matter anymore. they're as powerful as the plot requires.
Icyflamez96
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Not that I'm complaining about it much, but did anyone else feel like it was low-key out of character for Picollo to be as excited and seemingly unconcerned about the potential consequences of the tournament as he was?
I doubt it. If they do changed it, it will be minor like how the retellings changed little details from the movie, but kept the story practically the same.
You are aware that no one has gotten majorly powerful off the time chamber since the Android Saga. Even Vegeta and Trunks going into it again didn't catch up with Goku and Gohan who spent less than a year in the chamber.
The time chamber hasn't been a magic pill to jump up several levels in decades.
Why would he care? Piccolo is just as much as a blood knight as the Saiyans. He just hides it better.
Icyflamez96
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I don't know.
People have recently been pointing out that they could have easily used Vegeta blowing up the time chamber in the previous arc as an excuse not to use it now, but the show hasn't addressed it.
ArchedThunder
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I see many animation enthusiasts say that One Piece is very well made and I've watched plenty of great clips myself and I know it gets lots of big names to work on it. I don't think you realize how messed up Super's production still is.
Undead Fantasy
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I just read the last 2 chapters and he doesn't say that.
Icyflamez96
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Because he tends to show concern when the stakes are high.
I do and I watched One Piece. Looking at clips, which are usually are from the better looking scenes, doesn't give you the full picture on how One Piece regular looks. There were plenty of complaints about the animation during Impel Down and Marineford.
Guessed I remember wrong. Even still, he wasn't in the tournament despite all other blood knights being there, so that tells us that line is grounded in some truth.
The only time he showed any real concern was Buu. This is the same person who wanted to fight the androids despite hearing that he died and they later killed Gohan. Also, the movie Battle of Gods, he found time to call Trunks impure because he had a girlfriend and he clearly enjoyed fighting Frieza's men.
ArchedThunder
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Which was when the production took a hit because they took on too much for the franchise, then afterwards a new planner came on to help fixed things. The fact that there are far more instances of Sakuga for One Piece compared to Dragon Ball in a given month and that Sakuga is generally much higher quality is pretty telling. On top of that the show doesn't need to load up on tons of animators, supervisors and 2nd key animators to put out decent episodes like Super does AND One Piece attracts lots of talented animators, far more than Super does. Super still has plenty of room for improvement and it will continue to improve as it has.
Also that planner that helped fix One Piece is also a new Producer for Super and was the one who expanded Toriyama's outline for this arc btw.
Things did get better, especially with Luffy's second backstory, but many argued that the animation since the time skip still hasn't reached where the anime was several years go, outside of key scenes. There is a reason why fans wished One Piece would go on break for a year. That and to fixed the pacing, but that is another issue.
I am not not talking about animators, supervisors, 2nd key animators, and such. I am talking about that One Piece does not have consistently great looking episodes. It has overall decent looking episodes with some great shots for important moments, especially when they directly copy panels from the manga, but calling it great is pushing it.
Super can still improved, never said it can't or shouldn't. I said overall Super is already getting consistently decent looking episodes when before you would get a sprinkles of decent looking, to subpar, to downright ugly episodes, and if you're lucky you get some great shots. There is a reason why complaints about the animation went down drastically during the Future Trunks Saga and only really returned in some of the breather episodes like the Hit rematched.
Also, yes I know that.
Ultra Numb
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I like that they pointed out the arrogance thing and with Buu as an example instead of Cell.
With Cell he wasn't so much arrogant but more losing who he was. He was literally picking Cell apart with a smile on his face, he wanted to inflict long and horrible pain before killing him. Basically torture. Rage Gohan was always very violent where he lost himself for a few seconds, Cell Games just pushed him over the edge.
With Cell he wasn't so much arrogant but more losing who he was. He was literally picking Cell apart with a smile on his face, he wanted to inflict long and horrible pain before killing him. Basically torture. Rage Gohan was always very violent where he lost himself for a few seconds, Cell Games just pushed him over the edge.
Sir_Crocodile
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I haven't watched OP for a few years since Grey Terminal to Dressrosa really took away my enthusiasm for the series (has it gotten any better?), but I remember in the past OP has had consistent complaints from people that Toei rarely give it top rate animators to work on because it's such a big success they know people will watch it regardless.
Dunno if it's still there but there used to be a thread dedicated to this on AP. People would celebrating when people like Inoue got episodes.
I didn't see anyone link this, and I'm somewhat disappointed.
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That is comment complaint, but One Piece never had terrible looking episodes. The worst episode I have ever seen was 'meh'. It just doesn't have 'OMG' animation that often unless it is a key scene. The best way I can described it is that One Piece fans wished One Piece was like One Punch Man or HxH 2011. Plus, One Piece cheats and uses a lot of still shots.
I personally think One Piece has been fine, but I can see why people fall off after Marineford. The pacing of the anime doesn't help and its best to wait and binged. That is what I did for Marineford and Dressrosa.
Absolutely.
There are some slice of life episodes after the Trunks saga that are okay, but if you want to get in the next main arc, it starts at episode 77 and it's been great.
Made many characters come back to relevancy.
Awesome! Thanks, attack on titan has been leaving me sad every week so I need to watch something to make it go down better lol
The arc is a tribute to old fans, crafted with love ! I think it should satisfy you.
Who's your favorite characters ?
Raditz. I'm only in it for Raditz
Sir_Crocodile
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ArchedThunder
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Admiral Woofington
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I would love a fan edit of super of Yamcha scenes with curb your enthusiasm styled dub and music.
"Yamcha ya sick fuck. Little Puar is over there. Caaaaa-rying"
"Yamcha ya sick fuck. Little Puar is over there. Caaaaa-rying"
ArchedThunder
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Why would they? He's dead.
Porunga could bring him back.
I wouldn't expect it in the actual BoG retelling, but I'm surprised hr wasn't mentioned in the movie.
RareFantasy64
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Incredibly disappointed Piccolo isn't even at 17's level anymore, despite being far more active in saving the Earth and having access to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
I'm split on who I want stronger between the two. Either way, Piccolo beat Gohan's SSJ2 and he hung in against Ultimate Gohan. Piccolo is insanely strong
Did you miss the part about a Saiyan needs to be righteous?
Fulminator
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Frieza is a mutant, he is kind of like the Gohan of his race with the potential lol
This moment is one of my favorite ones in all of Dragon Ball. The music, the mystery, everything was amazing. Growing up with the original score was a blessing.
They should try and play similar unique (lol considering the plagiarism) tunes during key moments in Super.
Gohan isn't a mutant. He's just a hybrid and Frieza pisses on Gohan since he was in the millions while Gohan didn't even break one-thousand.
17's theme is fire.
Fulminator
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I know gohan isn't a mutant
I'm saying you could compare Frieza to gohan because they both have incredibly high battle potential in their respective races
But that can be said about almost all characters in Dragon Ball. Krillin is ungodly strong for a human to the point that he was able to, somewhat, keep pace with Goku by doing the same amount of training.
Fulminator
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So could yamcha, Tien and roshi for a time, not to mention taopaipai and various other fighters
Krillin is exceptionally strong but he's not the only human who is. If you wanted to talk about a human equivalent, it would probably be Uub anyways.
No Saiyan other than gohan has been said to have such a high potential and frieza is apparently the same way for his race
Blackleg-sanji1
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I can see the comparison
Which one? I don't remember 😢
Fulminator
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Gohan and frieza are both battle prodigies that's all I'm trying to say lol
The guy said why can't piccolo train to God level, it's because his potential is lower than Frieza
E: I mean he could probably do it, but it would take a lot longer
Blackleg-sanji1
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I thought it was obvious. Gohan has massive potential,frieza has massive potential. Both born with overwhelming power without even trying and when they do try well we see the results
Roshi is three hundred years, so he had centuries to practice. Tien was also older than Krillin when they met, and Killing wasn't that much weaker than Tien. For his age, Krillin has shown himself to be prodigy since he was within the power range of people who were much older than him and had more training.
All the half-Saiyans have shown themselves to be just as good or better than Gohan. Trunks and Goten reached Super Saiyan without trying while Gohan had to struggle and Future Trunks blew Gohan out of the water last arc.
BBQMan
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Neither one has essentially unlimited potential and the other is just a mutant of his race.
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