Blackleg-sanji1
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Hence the comparison of . O nevamind everything is like the biggest debates of debates in here with the littlest statements
Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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BBQMan
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Woops thought you said can't my bad.
Blackleg-sanji1
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lol I was about to say
Japanmanx3
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Gohan finally going past mystic. Let's GO!
Fulminator
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Ugh whatever guys, forget about it lol
NoctisVsStar
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I know what you meant stick to your guns.
Dbz fans are very fickle when it comes to power discussions.
RareFantasy64
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Something that really impressed me about the writing in Super was how Piccolo took a major fan complaint (how devastatingly disappointing Gohan's loss to Buu was) put a story spin on it (Gohan gets sloppy/arrogant in fights) and used it as a training point. As fans, we get that the story decided to go back to having Goku be the main character, leaving Gohan with nothing left to do but job to Buu. But Super put a different spin on the situation and made really good use of Gohan's loss to Buu here
88 is one of the best episodes from a story/character development perspective because of this.
don't worry I got what you meant lol
Agreed, actually acknowledging things that happened and explaining it in a canon way is really nice
JadedWriter
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Super Mystic God Super Saiyajin.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I wonder what the end goal is for Gohan. Just a filler to be part of the team or will he be the main focus?
Fulminator
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Mystic God Gohan.
I want it. I need it.
I really hope Gohan's form can stand up to SSB.
Fulminator
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There's a point where we see Goku,Gohan and Vegeta all flying together in the op, which makes me believe those 3 will get the most focus
I can't imagine he would have such a big role so far only to be pushed back later on
I feel it's more like, once a Saiyan sees it. It becomes easier for others to follow. Ala SSJ, followed with Vegeta and Gohan much easier. With Goten and Trunks following even easier. Once SSJ2 was achieved, then Vegeta and Goku didn't have much trouble following. Same with SSJ3. Even with Red, Vegeta was behind Goku, but managed to catch up with Blue.
I don't feel like it's Trunks and Goten are inherently more powerful, but unlike Goku and Vegeta. They have much more powerful teachers and people who've come before them. So the path is already trended while the first time with SSJ was just a pure fluke.
Yeah, plus other than being able to get SSJ easy, has Goten or Trunks been shown to have more potential than Gohan?
Fulminator
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No, despite being the two youngest super saiyans ever, Gohan is still said to have the highest potential of all the saiyans we've seen so far
Although, I don't think we've ever heard that from anyone besides goku, piccolo, and Vegeta
Elder Kai and Guru say that Gohan has great potential, but we never hear it in comparison to any other character
Fulminator
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Dismemberment is allowed
They're definitely setting him up as one of the major players. He's getting a ton of character development between getting back up to par/beyond, he helped select/recruit the Universe 7 team and Goku is putting a lot of faith in him. Gohan really seems to have stepped into the second main character role again this arc.
I doubt it, otherwise Gohan should of had a easier time transforming. He was training with his dad for three years and never ascended. And Vegeta never got Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta caught up because of Whis and it took six months.
Trunks and Goten are inherently more powerful. Without really trying they surpassed all the Saiyans, including Gohan who worked his butt off. Goten and Trunks didn't get teach until the Buu Saga and everyone was shocked by how powerful they were. They didn't follow anyone.
He got major hype during the Buu Saga. Remember how that ended.
Jason's Ultimatum
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The hype is still there for many. I am being jaded.
This happens every arc when people are sure a certain character will get hype or play a major role and it almost never happened. Like Vegeta will kill Goku Black or Gohan will play a part in the Future Trunks Saga like Trunks giving him a prep talk to get him training.
It's certain as the sun raising in the east.
True, but we have to remember that Toriyama is also a troll. Future Trunks got a lot of stuff and while he got many cool scenes his timeline still ended up going 'boom' and made basically everything he gained meaningless.
Ocarina_117
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Was expecting Piccolo and Gohan to enter the time chamber given how they were speaking at the end of the episode.
Episode felt like the equivalent of cramming the night before an exam lol.
Episode felt like the equivalent of cramming the night before an exam lol.
Frost is game then.
shadowsdarknes
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I feel like an Assassin like Hit won't particularly do well in a Battle Royale style fight. That time skip though.
Admiral Woofington
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"kakacarrot kake you enjoy fighting all of these enemies more than me"
"no vegetable I swear it's not what you think"
"no vegetable I swear it's not what you think"
I think he will be co-star/co-hero this arc similar to how future trunks was last arc, but I don't know if he will remain in that position beyond that. Mainly because he has already been limited on screen time in the previous arc to save strain on his aging VA who already has a large workload taking on the main character. That, and I don't think he is the 2nd most popular fan favorite or toei favorite character. I don't think he will be completely sidelined where he barely is even in the show like he was in super up until now though.
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Gohan wasn't benched last arc because of Nozawa. He was benched because Toriyama didn't want used him. Toei gave Gohan a lot of screen time while in the Super manga Gohan haven't been seen since the Battle of Gods storyline.
And he really isn' the co-star next to Future Trunks, since Trunks was in every episode in his saga while Gohan hasn't. Also, Gohan usually rank third.
I was referring to a herms tweet concerning ep 69 that said:
"Sadly, Gohan and Goten won't be in this episode at all. Nozawa requested this, since at the moment she's a bit tired from playing Goku Black"
Not necessarily the previous arc but it sounds like something was deliberately left out because of Nozawa.
Should have fired her. Would have made a lot of people happy. :]]]
As already said, it wasn't Nozawa who kept him off-screen. If anything Toei's been the one pushing for him to come back because he's very popular among fans and gets top treatment along with Goku and Vegeta in games/merchandise.
BladeoftheImmortal
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They really should have another arc like cell that benches goku and the rest of the heroes have to stop him without goku's help.
I'm thinking more Vegeta saga style, where Goku fights Jiren and loses, and the rest of the team have to gang up and take him down even knowing that they're horribly outmuscled. Android 17, Gohan, and maybe Buu can take turns being the meatshields. Krillin, Piccolo, Tien, and Roshi can try out techniques to end the fight. Dunno what 18 and Vegeta does. I guess Vegeta can job.
I grew up watching the English dub unfortunately.
Going back and watching the original Japanese dub really opened my mind as to how much they change in the English dub - so much that I can't really watch it anymore.
I would love this! I am also feeling how much love 17 is getting via the promotional materials.
I just watched the latest hype trailer. I wonder if there is any hidden meaning behind the way the fighter are numbered in the trailer? Also where is everyone making there DB avatars? I want to join in on the fun!
giving his rate of hitting people with it Im sure we'll be fine.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Just so it doesn't get buried
Mister Wolf
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Incredibly disappointed Piccolo isn't even at 17's level anymore, despite being far more active in saving the Earth and having access to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
When was it implied 17 is stronger than Piccolo?
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