Dragon Ball Super |OT6| Put your back into it.
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Super Saiyan Goku is far stronger than ultimate Gohan currently.
Gohan is getting another power up soon.
So yeah that's your basis.
EndlessSky
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Imo, filler is used colloquially in shows like this as short (typically 1 or 2 episodes) self contained story arcs that have no impact for later episodes. Yes, obviously since this is an original work you can't call it filler based on it being different from the original but the episodes he asked about are definitely padding that doesn't have any lasting impact.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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While the etymology of the word will probably remain a mystery as linguists are too busy documenting dying languages to settle online debates about anime, you've got it backwards.
Filler isn't a subjective label based on perceived relevance to the wider story, it is a term used to describe television only material produced to prevent an anime adaptation from catching up to the ongoing source material.
I don't know, how would you know why Goku has a cell phone ? How about Krilin and Gohan's recent development ?
You can't cross those episodes out just because they don't fit within a big arc. And they have referenced even the worst episodes like that copy vegeta thing during the Black arc.
You don't exactly get to "decide" they don't matter. They're part of the story, they're slice of life episodes, and most of them ended up keeping the character development seen in it. That doesn't mean they're all super important, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore them either.
75 and 76 are huge developments for Krillin's character, and without them we wouldn't know why he was fighting again.
Arale's an established character in Dragon Ball.
Icyflamez96
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That has nothing to do with my reasoning.
To elaborate, the whacky vibe of it all gives off that impression to me, but that gif is what really makes me see it as not canon to the greater continuity of Super's universe.
Mister Wolf
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https://youtu.be/D-2AuQgDdOE
I rest my case. There is no way to gauge how much effort hes giving. Him turning blue means fuck all. Unless you believe Krillen is really strong enough in the slightest to hold off Kamehameha in God form.
I really hope you don't.
Icyflamez96
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Yep I remembered correctly. Goku does mention the copy Vegeta arc when Vegeta is fighting Black.
https://youtu.be/uEDwQdzCLng?t=125
I don't like the arc but it fits in fine and is even called back on in a moment where it is relevant.
Along with my other points for considering the Arale episode non-canon, why wouldn't have Goku thought to recruit Arale for the tournament, knowing how ridiculously strong she is? That would be a very relevant moment to bring it up, but I truly don't think "the show" even considers that episode to be part of the actual continuity. Just a silly spinoff "special".
https://youtu.be/uEDwQdzCLng?t=125
I don't like the arc but it fits in fine and is even called back on in a moment where it is relevant.
Along with my other points for considering the Arale episode non-canon, why wouldn't have Goku thought to recruit Arale for the tournament, knowing how ridiculously strong she is? That would be a very relevant moment to bring it up, but I truly don't think "the show" even considers that episode to be part of the actual continuity. Just a silly spinoff "special".
The Silver
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The reason he turns Blue against Krillin is because he wanted to scare him, for him to feel the pressure of it and see how he reacts, after that he can do his patented #imjustholdingbackguys in the beam struggle.
The reason he turns Blue against 17 is because SSJ wasn't strong enough, Goku says it himself he wasn't planning on using it. Blue's power is the minimum he felt was strong enough for 17(who was also still holding back), not SSJ2 or 3, had to go all the way to Blue.
Different contexts here
Especially since until this arc, the slice of life stuff outside the Pacifier Vegeta arc is some of the best of Super.
Mister Wolf
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Do you believe Goku in Super Saiyan is stronger than Gohan in his Ultimate form presently?
I sometimes wonder how many people debating online about whether things are canon or not are aware of the original, religious definition of the term.
Goku's gonna call me real soon. I can feel it!
Goku's gonna call me real soon. I can feel it!
Icyflamez96
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Yes, the episode exists as an official episode of DBS. There are different definitions/takes on the term canon. If you're going by that one, yes it is. But I don't think anyone was denying that it was an official episode of Super.
It is but it really shouldn't be as I stated above. The term "filler" predates the modern anime fandom. "Filler" isn't purely defined by anime.
Tapion should have been one of the 10 representatives.
I mean, there's still a possibility that both Tien and Roshi can get power-ups. The NEP lays a possibility for Roshi, and recall from DragonBall that Tien's third eye is supposed to give him divine powers that he never really unlocked because of him trainng at the evil Crane Dojo. And the episode just so happens to center around Tien having his own school, after all.
Fulminator
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Filler refers very specifically to work in an adaptation that was not in the original and not created by the original author, meant to draw out time, extend length, etc. Super is not an adaptation of anything, therefore nothing is filler. An episode not central to the overall plot? Not filler.
A 4-5 minute recap of the arc/series following a 2 minute opening in One Piece? Filler as fuck.
A 4-5 minute recap of the arc/series following a 2 minute opening in One Piece? Filler as fuck.
NeonZ
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That's actually from a very old Toriyama interview. I doubt he even remembers he ever said that.
Bringing up Arale is problematic. They didn't even bother aging the Dr.Slump cast for that new episode. And there's also the issue that there were characters stronger than her in her own series.
Buddy Mcpuddy
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Even if they aren't it's hardly relevant anymore, it has been used widely just to refer to literary canon for more than a century.
He remembered that Goku and 17 never met. I wouldn't totally discount it yet.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I think Toriyama realized that his forgetfulness became a defining trait and set out to make "Toriyama remembered" the new thing
Undead Fantasy
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What exactly does it contradict?
They didn't train aggressively. Gohan was more focused on trying to stay in shape. It seems like since the Future Trunks arc, Gohan's life taking care of Pan and his family overstepped his training.
Based off what Piccolo said to Future Trunks about Gohan, I think it's safe to say Gohan's training with Piccolo before this wasn't about pushing him to his limit, and it could be argued that until it was clear Gohan wanted to get stronger, Piccolo didn't want to push Gohan back to being a fighter.
Undead Fantasy
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Satire? It was a crossover.
gamerguy2002
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So I'm guessing this means they are preparing to end Super soon huh?
Guess we'll hear something once the Universe Survival arc is over. shame though I wanted Super to have lasted just as long as Z did.
Guess we'll hear something once the Universe Survival arc is over. shame though I wanted Super to have lasted just as long as Z did.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yes they are ending Super and the week after it ends Dragon Ball Super Duper will premier
NoctisVsStar
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Man, that would be awesome if they continued after Z but I guess that ain't happening.
I'm not sure why them getting to the end of Z would mean Super is ending. Did I miss something in the article?
Nothing in that link says Super is ending soon. Stop spreading misinformation.
The quote from Toyotaro is also unverified.
Yeah, haha. Like how do you get Super is ending soon from that
Isn't Dragon Ball making bucket loads of money at this point?
NoctisVsStar
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Grown present Trunks and Goten would be awesome.
Me either, its making them too much money right now to do so.
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