Nope, I (mostly) liked Hillary's answer to her election loss. I hope she does more interviews about the election. She can even run for office again and I very likely would vote for her again, although I don't think she would win a primary for president again.
Clinton: 'I was on the way to winning' until Comey, Russia intervened
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Nope, I (mostly) liked Hillary's answer to her election loss. I hope she does more interviews about the election. She can even run for office again and I very likely would vote for her again, although I don't think she would win a primary for president again.
lol
keep acting like she got swept away when she won and run away from good policy and the Dems will secure that 2020 loss
DrForester
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Maybe you should have fucking campaigned in the swings states rather than take so many of them for granted.
Yoda
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And John McCain was on his way to winning until the electorate realized Sarah Palin as a dumbshit... Had she campaigned at all in Wisconsin and a tad more in PA it'd be a different story. Instead, HRC lost because her campaign was the epitome of hubris. Like a true leader, she finds someone/something else to blame instead of taking responsibility...
would have helped if when wikileaks hacked the DNC they had nothing interesting to leak because they were a very professional organization instead of shit like this
Subject: No shit
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.
Disclaimer: I am a HIllary supporter and donated to her campaign, just fucking despise this shit
Subject: No shit
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.
Disclaimer: I am a HIllary supporter and donated to her campaign, just fucking despise this shit
cheezcake
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Not technically true from what I've read. Colin Powell did (2001-2005) but it was only in 2005 that department policy started to mandate that day to day operations had to take place on government servers and use of private devices were only allowed in emergency cases. Rice didn't and Albreight didn't use email at all, pre Albreight I imagine email wasn't even in common use.
Into the Light
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Because I have been to both. And I remember saying "god I cant wait to get back home"
Basically this.
She ran a campaign of "That guy is colossally unfit for office and so you have no choice but to vote me." That should have worked, because he is colossally unfit for office in an unfathomable way. It didn't work. If there's anything we should take away here it's that largely that sort of campaign doesn't work because people don't fucking care how colossally fucking horrible one candidate is.
boiled goose
good with gravy
She had second highest disapproval rating for major candidate in history before comey letter and WikiLeaks.
No one forced her mistakes with the email shit (which was of course overblown).
No one forced her to take 200k per speech from Wall Street.
No one forced her to vote for iraq war, praise Kissinger, and push for rebel arming in Syria.
No one forced her to attend fundraisers instead of rallies.
No one forced her to be against weed Removal from schedule 1 and pro death penalty.
She was hated by the opposition largely for unfair reasons but also broadly uninspiring for valid reasons.
No one forced her mistakes with the email shit (which was of course overblown).
No one forced her to take 200k per speech from Wall Street.
No one forced her to vote for iraq war, praise Kissinger, and push for rebel arming in Syria.
No one forced her to attend fundraisers instead of rallies.
No one forced her to be against weed Removal from schedule 1 and pro death penalty.
She was hated by the opposition largely for unfair reasons but also broadly uninspiring for valid reasons.
She specifically says the loss is her fault but it was the FBI/Russia/Wikileaks stuff that nuked things at the end.
These are invalid reasons.
Trump also flew home every night
even the GOP was trying to get a "this guy is unfit" thing rolling for Trump. too bad they put party above country in the end.
old manatee
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You should read the article. Or the thread. Anything.
She says that she takes absolute responsibility but then also blames comey and Russia
That cannot be. Logically either she is absolutely responsible or she is not and comey and russia were a factor
She is just playing the victim and trying to appesr noble. That's bullshit. If ylu have absolute responsibility, then list what ylu did wrong. If ylu want to blame russia and comey, that's fine too, but then you don't get to act all high and noble and say that you tske absolute responsibility because clearly you are contradicting yourself
Unldss she is saying that she ordered russia and comey to act like that. Cause thst is what "absolute responsibility" means. Her words.
So... Pro-tip: Don't be a Democrat?
(Trump also had the FBI on his ass and went home every night, too!)
Your logic is nonsense. She can take responsibility for her decisions and the way the campaign went and state the FACT that Comey and Russia absolutely affected it.
Carpe Libertatem
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it amazes me that people still underestimate Trump even though he, you know, is POTUS right now.
Flying Toaster
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Trump flew home everynight as well. He just shard hands with the commoners more than she did.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I would have liked it if she had called gop politicians deplorable instead of just voters.
She never ever through gop under the bus. Then all of governments failings got attributed to her with Trump being the outsider.
Nobody's underestimating him as much as they're overestimating the American electorate.
The human mind prefers simple narratives. "It's her fault" is more comforting than having to think about complex issues and confront the reality that outcomes are not always the result of deliberate action or a deliberate lack of action. It explains conspiracy theorists and the "it's all Hillary's fault" people equally well.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
You are not disagreeing with me then. I'm saying of her shortcomings if any of them didn't exist she could have won. Comey and his bullshit absolutely played a big part.
RustyNails
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Are you saying she didn't campaign in Pennsylvania?
I haven't looked at any recent analysis but the Comey stuff could very well be the reason why the polls were so wrong. National polls actually ended up pretty accurate but national polls are quick to respond to new issues.
State polls are really slow to respond as they are taken over a longer period and probably did not capture the effects of the Comey letter etc in the key swing states.
State polls are really slow to respond as they are taken over a longer period and probably did not capture the effects of the Comey letter etc in the key swing states.
what also pisses me off is that after losing there was a fucking call from Donna Brazille of all people blaming the loss on all these other factors, when she should have been kicked the fuck out. what also pisses me off is that many of the wikileaks emails were explained by them saying that wikileaks forged or messed with documents, when the FBI later revealed that there was no evidence that any of it had been tampered with or forged.
man fuck 2016
man fuck 2016
Nope.
Not until we address the treason and espionage.
I'm just saying that it's definitely the single biggest factor.
Trump also dominated the media and didn't neglect the campaign trail unlike Hillary skipping WI/etc.
Pro tip : don't let your rival outwork you. Shame the veteran Hillary & Co. didn't learn from Bill or Obama
I know. He actually campaigned compared to Hillary, but they were both lazy assholes
She can say that russia and comey affected it, but then she doesn't get to say she takes absolute responsibility
It is obviously not her responsibility what comey and the russians did
AlexFlame116
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It's crazy just how much influence places like WikiLeaks has.
Is this the first time she's spoken about he results since the election?
Is this the first time she's spoken about he results since the election?
2Smashed4U
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She's not wrong but...
Shouldn't have been that close to begin with, Hilldawg.
Shouldn't have been that close to begin with, Hilldawg.
There was a sobering moment the day after Trump's victory, here on Gaf. Now the blame placing and the ignorance has fully resurfaced. It's to the point that I fear Trump may get another 4 more years if we're once again going to refuse to see fault in our candidate.
paperboywriter
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?!?!?!
Psychoward
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For another time; no.
She is responsible for her failures and her failures alone. She is not responsible for failures outside of her control. Period. She herself admits part of the reason she lost is because of her own mistakes. The end.
A candidate is never absolutely 100% responsible for their loss (or their win), ever and it's intellectually dishonest and illogical to pretend that they are.
I get the feeling you're not going to be satisfied until you get a private visit from her on her knees crying and begging that she is so so sorry and everything was her fault and it should have been Bernie and to please forgive her though.
You're almost there. If those things aren't her responsibility and they factually contributed to her loss, then...
ryutaro's mama
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The ol' Han Solo defense, my kids would use it all the time until they were 12 or 13 too
Exactly.
Fucking drive-by posters are the worst.
The campaigns were showing a polling crash internally days before the election. Not much of that data made it to the public because it was so late in the game and they weren't being run much.
VendettaRed07
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It's probably true.
She didn't help herself by never being able to field a question about it properly. Like her eyes widened and starting making a "oh god no not this topic!" Face every time it was brought up.
Scandal never really stuck to Obama because he never did anything like that whenever any controversial topic was brought up
She didn't help herself by never being able to field a question about it properly. Like her eyes widened and starting making a "oh god no not this topic!" Face every time it was brought up.
Scandal never really stuck to Obama because he never did anything like that whenever any controversial topic was brought up
DontBeThatGuy
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She didn't visit me either, didn't matter, because I'm not an irrationally slighted child.
See I actually am happy to see this. It shows that they were actually interested in the election rather than what I fear history is going to be written about it, which is that it was simply treated as a coronation by her campaign.
Psychoward
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The rules were clear; that the EC is to stop an incompetent demagogue from taking power if they were chosen, they failed their duty. Time to scrap it and institute a voting procedure that makes sense.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
So the media giving Trump over a billion in "free" advertising is Hillary's fault? Ok.
Your point about the campaign trail is valid I'll give you that but she had no control over how he was covered in the media.
Milly Osworth
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Bernie would be prez.
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