Sony Playstation: First Party Studios & their Current Projects

I can see Crash and Wipeout getting some sort of follow-up. Not necessarily full sequels (well, in the case of Crash it wouldn't surprise me at all if it happened), but expansions, DLC, etc.? For sure, I could see it. Dunno about Patapon and the others though. I'm not sure what demand for them might be like.
 
2blackcats said:
I've discussed this before on here but I'm nearly 100% sure the phrase "second party" was coined by an industry person.

I remember reading an interview in a magazine a long time ago. It was just before a console launch(the Dreamcast I think) and the guy being interviewed was explaining that they had partnered with a bunch of devs to make make games for the consoles launch. He said something along the lines of "we're calling these developers our second party developers". I guess he meant they got additional support and what not.

I've tried to find the quote but no luck, might only be in print. I guess if it was the Dreamcast than it as Peter Moore being interviewed.

Sorry for off topic....
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I vaguely remember reading magazines that referred to Rare as a Nintendo second party because Nintendo partially owned the studio long before the Dreamcast was announced, so that wasn't when it was coined.

But even if that had been the case, that doesn't change anything. Industry people can make up dumb terms too, see: Blast Processing.
 
HStallion said:
The Wipeout collection is a great deal in terms of dollars to content and I think the Playstation ecosystem is a lot healthier and the players more open to a wide variety of games this time around. I think it could sell pretty well especially with some sales down the road and garner enough interest to get a real deal sequel made. Not sure who I'd have develop it at this point but I don't think its such a far fetched pie in the sky goal.

Hell doesn't Crash come out in the digital top ten for a lot of different territories month after month? I think the interest there in returning to older franchises that aren't shooters or the more common genres.
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Mmm I see Crash as a more appealing game to the public but yeah, maybe Wipeout will do good, not sure tho. I don't see the same for Parappa, Locoroco, Patapon.
 
Triggerhappytel said:
Rumour has it they're going to announce an Alundra HD Remaster and a full on proper Alundra sequel. You've got just over a month to get your bomb shelter ready.
I'm not serious.
Wish I was though.
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Would you accept a mobile revival like Wild Arms and Arc the Lad? Cuz realistically, thats the best you can hope for lol.
 
MegaSackman said:
Mmm I see Crash as a more appealing game to the public but yeah, maybe Wipeout will do good, not sure tho. I don't see the same for Parappa, Locoroco, Patapon.
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Locoroco and Patapon where always a far more of a reach. I could see Parappa doing well as people love rhythm games and nostalgia is a huge factor in a lot of this stuff.
 
I think 70% of my posts here are asking for a new Sly game. The possibilities are vast. Sanzaru can apply what they've learned from the previous game to a sequel. Make it darker, with a deeper story. Heck, maybe apply the switch thing between the three characters.
 
Lady Gaia said:
Nonsense. The terms first-, second-, and third-party have well-defined meanings. The platform owner is the first party. Any title developed under contract with them by someone else is second-party, and any title whose development takes place outside of a contractual arrangement is third-party.

The main reason there nothing is referred to as second-party any more is that games are such a huge collaborative exercise that most of them are actually a mix of first and second-party efforts, which we "promote" to first-party for simplicity's sake.
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Except for the part where second party doesn't have a well-defined meaning because the one you just posted isn't the same as the other ones I've heard. And by your definition, I guess that means games like Nioh and Rise of the Tomb Raider are second party too?

Logically, second party is a dumb term and doesn't make any sense. We don't separate third party games based on whether they're internally or externally developed, so what's the point of doing it with first party games? It's not like Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo treat external games completely differently, they treat them just like their own internal games, so what's the point of differentiating them like that?

From where I'm standing, the only real point of it is for list wars where "that game doesn't count for reasons" comes into play.
 
HStallion said:
Locoroco and Patapon where always a far more of a reach. I could see Parappa doing well as people love rhythm games and nostalgia is a huge factor in a lot of this stuff.
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My perception could be really off but honestly I only see Crash doing well, really well actually. I have this idea that not many people actually want the other games but that's just the way I see it, I have no way to back up my thoughts. Also, is not just because I'm not interested, I have little interest in Crash and I still can perceive that people in general love it.

I still might get some tho, Locoroco was great but the fun is on portable imo, I loved all Crash games, liked Wipeout but I always sucked at them. Didn't play Parappa or Patapon.
 
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We need DREAMS.
 
This OP doesn't look too promising, Knack in the same year as Mario Odyssey? No, thank you. Sure God of War will most likely be pretty good but it feels like more of the same(Action Adventure/Action RPG flood, open world madness, where everything has to be OW). The Last of Us II is definitely the title I am looking forward to the most and might sell me a PS4 when it launches.
 
Undrey said:
I think 70% of my posts here are asking for a new Sly game. The possibilities are vast. Sanzaru can apply what they've learned from the previous game to a sequel. Make it darker, with a deeper story. Heck, maybe apply the switch thing between the three characters.
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Sly has limited appeal precisely because it's dark. It doesn't appeal to kids from that point of view and. it doesn't appeal to most core gamers as it's seen like a kid's game. It's stuck in the middle. It developed a niche following sure, but it's never seen big sales numbers. Puppeteer suffered from the same issue.
 
LiquidSolid said:
I vaguely remember reading magazines that referred to Rare as a Nintendo second party because Nintendo partially owned the studio long before the Dreamcast was announced, so that wasn't when it was coined.

But even if that had been the case, that doesn't change anything. Industry people can make up dumb terms too, see: Blast Processing.
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Maybe it was Nintendo I was thinking of and the N64 launch. Anyway my point was merely that the industry itself spawned the (pointless) term not a fan.
 
MTC100 said:
This OP doesn't look too promising, Knack in the same year as Mario Odyssey? No, thank you. Sure God of War will most likely be pretty good but it feels like more of the same(Action Adventure/Action RPG flood, open world madness, where everything has to be OW). The Last of Us II is definitely the title I am looking forward to the most and might sell me a PS4 when it launches.
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God of War won't be open world, nor will it have much in common with Tomb Raider I think.
 
MTC100 said:
This OP doesn't look too promising, Knack in the same year as Mario Odyssey? No, thank you. Sure God of War will most likely be pretty good but it feels like more of the same(Action Adventure/Action RPG flood, open world madness, where everything has to be OW). The Last of Us II is definitely the title I am looking forward to the most and might sell me a PS4 when it launches.
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Knack plays nothing like a Mario game, though. I'm not sure what the point of that comparison is.
 
FelipeMGM said:
Not sure if someone posted this before but, yall better buy WipEout Omega Collection if you want a new one beeing made (pretty obvious statement tho lol)

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He does seem like a very cool guy, his interviews are great.
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My money's going toward Formula Fusion but i will pick up this collection in a sale later

Btw who would even develop a new Wipeout? Don't think that will happen

Dabi said:
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We need DREAMS.
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Dreams is living and breathing art.
 
MTC100 said:
This OP doesn't look too promising, Knack in the same year as Mario Odyssey? No, thank you. Sure God of War will most likely be pretty good but it feels like more of the same(Action Adventure/Action RPG flood, open world madness, where everything has to be OW). The Last of Us II is definitely the title I am looking forward to the most and might sell me a PS4 when it launches.
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1. Knack is not a platformer, Knack 2 is a co-op brawler. And what does it have to do with Mario Odyssey releasing in same year. Is Mario coming to PS4?
2. God is War is not an Open World game. Everything has be overpowered? Have you played other God of War games?
3. These three are not the only games coming, neither are the first party games the only exclusives on PS4.
Turkoop said:
From/R*
CDPR could be there, too.
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I am going to go with no on CDPR and R*
 
LiquidSolid said:
Except for the part where second party doesn't have a well-defined meaning because the one you just posted isn't the same as the other ones I've heard. And by your definition, I guess that means games like Nioh and Rise of the Tomb Raider are second party too?
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It's not "my definition", it's the commonly accepted industry definition. Nioh and Rise of the Tomb Raider aren't second party because the games weren't developed under contract. They were either published or marketed with contractual limitations, but it wasn't a work for hire initiated by signing a contact with the platform vendor. Nioh had been in development forever, and Rise of the Tomb Raider was started long before any console release was pinned down.

Logically, second party is a dumb term and doesn't make any sense.
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Of course it makes sense. It's derived from contact law. A contract exists between two parties (sometimes referred to as the "party of the first part" and the "party of the second part.") In the game industry these wound up being abbreviated as the "first party" and "second party" in a contractual arrangement. The first party was always presumed to be the company that developed the platform, and the second party is the company they engaged to do the development work. Anyone outside this kind of contractual agreement is deemed to be a third party. They're not developing a work for hire at all, leaving them free to negotiate with multiple platforms and publishers to seek the best deal they can at after fronting some or all of the development costs themselves.

We don't separate third party games based on whether they're internally or externally developed, so what's the point of doing it with first party games? It's not like Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo treat external games completely differently, they treat them just like their own internal games, so what's the point of differentiating them like that?
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Mostly for historical reasons. As I've acknowledged, almost no games are developed in true second-party fashion anymore. Invariably there's enough direct technical or design contribution by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo during development that every title is a blend of first- and second-party that we deem first party because the original designations start to break down once games are being developed by hundreds of people instead of a small handful of individuals.
 
Kal_El said:
Of all the games that could surprise me I'm hoping for a new Socom or a remake of Socom 4. I think Sony would kill with a more authentic military tactical shooter 3rd person of course. I remember the first time using a headset or commands during the story and multiplayer. I don't want it to be multiplayer only though. I think we'll see it sooner rather than later.

I have no insider information
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By remake I hope you mean complete revamp of socom 4 into an actual socom game! I see constant talk about socom on twitter, GAF and Reddit but it's never from insiders or rumors.
 
Socom in 2017 belongs where it is. In the dumpster. I do however wish that Zipper was alive and was given the opportunity to change into a different kind of studio. It could have another shooter, but in a completely fantastical genre.

Speaking of which, Sony has obviously gotten frugal about spending money on new first party studios. I mean they do have newer studios working on VR stuff, but nothing like truly big. Instead they are focusing on collaboration with From and Team Ninja (Koei). So what is the next collaboration you would like for them to try? Personally I think they should try partnering with Obsidian on a non-citizen non-fantasy RPG, like Alpha Protocol. It doesn't even have to be in spy genre. Just something no one is thinking about making.
 
MTC100 said:
This OP doesn't look too promising, Knack in the same year as Mario Odyssey? No, thank you. Sure God of War will most likely be pretty good but it feels like more of the same(Action Adventure/Action RPG flood, open world madness, where everything has to be OW). The Last of Us II is definitely the title I am looking forward to the most and might sell me a PS4 when it launches.
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What a weird random post
 
Undrey said:
I think 70% of my posts here are asking for a new Sly game. The possibilities are vast. Sanzaru can apply what they've learned from the previous game to a sequel. Make it darker, with a deeper story. Heck, maybe apply the switch thing between the three characters.
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Sanzaru seems to have gone all-in with VR.
 
jayu26 said:
Socom in 2017 belongs where it is. In the dumpster. I do however wish that Zipper was alive and was given the opportunity to change into a different kind of studio. It could have another shooter, but in a completely fantastical genre.

Speaking of which, Sony has obviously gotten frugal about spending money on new first party studios. I mean they do have newer studios working on VR stuff, but nothing like truly big. Instead they are focusing on collaboration with From and Team Ninja (Koei). So what is the next collaboration you would like for them to try? Personally I think they should try partnering with Obsidian on a non-citizen non-fantasy RPG, like Alpha Protocol. It doesn't even have to be in spy genre. Just something no one is thinking about making.
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I guess that's an opinion. I honestly think socom would be awesome, there's clearly a lot of people who want it. There's also a lot of people who ran to RB6 seige as a replacement and it's doing great.
 
Alexious said:
Sanzaru seems to have gone all-in with VR.
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Sadly true. I had really high expectations for what they were to do after Sly. So far it's just been TRON, Sonic Boom and some VR games.

I remember people here saying they should make sequels to games like Ape Escape or Jak.

But I understand that fault lies on Sony and not Sanzaru.
 
Dabi said:
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We need DREAMS.
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beautiful.

Kaako said:
So freaking gorgeous. Can't wait to see more and hopefully try it out for myself soon. *fingers crossed*
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this x1000000000000000000!

PLASTICA-MAN said:
You can create basically anything with this game
(if you can still call it a game or more an entire program)
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And that SSS is sublime.
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it's a game that also has an extensive creation aspect!

but I'm so ready for dreams, SO READY
 
Yeah, Dreams is one of the games I'm most excited about. I watched all those long ass streams and everything on their YouTube channel. It looks so amazing.
 
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