Zen_Arcade
Banned
If Baby Groot is aimed at anything, it's children. He's an animated character that does a fun little dance sequence to start the movie and makes funny faces and sounds.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 |OT| Anyone can save the galaxy once - SPOILERS!
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He just livin his life
This is what happens when you view movies entirely through the glass of "Well what will REDDIT and IMGUR and FACEBOOK think?" instead of just watching a film.
Needlessly? The alternative is that they are going to kill Yondu and Rocket and if they escape without killing them, they'll chase both to the end of the galaxy. Moreover, GOTG does not operate on the same moral principle that the Avengers tend to. They are more like anti-heroes than heroes. A bunch of outlaws with a sense of loyalty and some remaining morals left.
And grabs severed thumbs.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Kids love severed thumbs.
DC won't
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Totally kid friendly. Welcome to the fuckin guardians of the Galaxy.
The guy murders people without any necessity while fun music plays in the background. For a Marvel movie this is incredibly cynical.
Dude has a super arrow. Why not incapacitate the Ravagers and/or sabotage the ship? Heck, wasn't one guy just sitting at his table when Yondu murders him?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Yeah..that shit is pretty crazy. They really didn't reveal shit.
I mean, Yondu is being presented in this movie as ambiguous at best. Hell, most of the Guardians are. Drax, Gamora, Rocket - they're all more than willing to kill without any real reason. Gamora sells Peter on going with Ego on the premise that, hey, if things go south, we can just kill the dude.
The Guardians are easily the least "heroic" Marvel group. They're like a D&D party - chaotic neutral.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
They mutinied and brutally killed those loyal to Yondu, while forcing him to watch. These are fuckin nasty space pirates they're not superheroes.
spyroflame0487
Member
At the end of one of the infinity wars movies I really want Star Lord to go to Kevin Bacon's house and introduce him to the guardians
Because there's no point in doing that. If they escape without killing those renegade ravagers, they will be chased to the end of the galaxy like I said. Why is it not okay for Yondu and Rocket to take revenge over those who killed their comrades? These are people that they worked with back in Vol.1 to stop the Kree. They've been airlocked by these new bunch. Of course, they'd want revenge.
Sabotaging the ship also means killing them. I get that you have a problem seeing a supposedly merciless killer being celebrated, in a sense. But then you're watching a wrong film if you're expecting a bunch of goody-two-shoes. They are not saints. Especially not Yondu.
I think the "too many jokes" complaint is really "too many bad jokes." I have to admit that if I was laughing throughout the movie I probably wouldn't feel this way, but when there's a joke a minute and 1 in 3 is a whiff I start thinking "maybe they should have dialed back on the jokes in this flick."
autumnleaf
Member
Nah, no way. He is only the focus a couple of times in the film. The opening dance number is just a fancy credits sequence and hardly representative of the film. Groot goes missing for large periods of the film.
How is inconvenience (or possible further trouble) a legitimate excuse for murder?
No? Just sabotage the engine.
It generally bothers me if needless murder is celebrated in a movie (like this), yes. I thoroughly enjoyed GOTG2, but that scene is extremely cynical.
Doctoglethorpe
Member
I'm glad I have a sense of humor. Laughed through the whole movie. Loved it.
Imo, vol 2 > vol 1.
HappyBivouac
Member
I'd say two thirds of the jokes making me laugh was the only thing that made this film worth watching. Some were downright horrible, but at least a few were great.
The story was insufferable. The tryhard edginess to it all was even worse. Then again, it's a marvel film. I only went to see it because my girlfriend loves these fucking movies.
The story was insufferable. The tryhard edginess to it all was even worse. Then again, it's a marvel film. I only went to see it because my girlfriend loves these fucking movies.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
Actually my thought was "damn... that GotG vol3 soundtrack is gonna be so loooong. LOL"
since they mentioned there was 300 songs on the Zune.
I really liked the movie though. The Ego turn was a surprise to me, that made perfect sense as soon as he started explaining it.
the moment he said "i had to put cancer in her brain", i automatically said "ahh shit, you shouldn't have done that. Then he crushed his walk-man, and then I followed it up with "You dun fucked up now"
smart thing would have been to turn that walk-man on and put it on him. Then he probably wouldn't even have a thought of resistance. Not that it would have mattered anyway, since the team was on the route to rescue moments later.
I think my only gripe were there moments where it went a little cartoony, and it's not that I hated it, just that it was just so... cartoony and out of place for the style of the movie.
like the 100 space jumps and the Pacman.
I certainly want to watch this one again though when I get a chance. I'm not sure if like the first one better, but this one was good too.
But Ragnarok is where all my HYPE resides at the moment. The trailer just looks soo good.
Hey man, I like to laugh
When the inconvenience is a threat to your life? Then hell yes. Do you think the renegade ravagers are just going to play hide and seek when they manage to find Yondu and Rocket instead of killing them? You have an unrealistic view of morality and how things work, especially in a dog-eat-dog world like in GOTG one.
Again, poinless. Sabotaging the engine means leaving them stranded in space where they'll eventually die of starvation or cold. We can argue about how it's more humane thing to do than killing them outright but the result will still be the same.
I think you are too...pacifical to enjoy this. It's not cynical when the characters you watch are a bunch of space pirates. These are not the kind of people you reason with or ones where handshakes will make things okay.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It wasn't celebrated though. Yeah it had the music and jokes, but at the same time Yondu was pretty much at the "lost everything" stage that he even showed what he was feeling to Rocket later on.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
Don't worry, Marvel next evolution will be the Post Credit short movie after Infinity War part 2.
a nice 10 minute short movie to introduce something to set up Phase 4
(or just to appease MCUTV fans.... what all the TV/Netflix characters were doing during the last 2 movies) lol yeah right
LyleLanley
Banned
They're just going to have credits playing throughout the entire movie.
I can see the tone of the scene bearing legitimate criticism, but the alternative scenarios you've envisioned to mitigate the act of killing within that scene really don't speak to the realities of those characters either. As others have mentioned they're still rogues at heart without the qualms that inhibit murder so long as it aligns with their own individual codes. You might not agree with them, but it's not out of line with their characters.
Inferno313
Banned
Yeah, I don't get the humor criticisms at all. I found this funnier than damn near any mainstream comedy in the last few years of that doesn't have "Jump Street" in its title.
WeirdoStalkerJr
Member
I bet he is one those guys that watches a movie and says "I hate it", only because it could not happen in real life.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
and then they'll go back to the old practice of credits also before the movie, so that the entire movie is technically post credits.
Da-Kid
Member
Using this logic, every movie with a comedic moment would be meme bait. Also, Guardians of the Galaxy got popular because of word of mouth, it was actually not doing that great at first. This was far, far before the Baby Groot dancing gif was a thing.
This whole post pretty much discredits your whole opinion. Flat out untrue.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Vipershark
Member
Except I didn't, and that became obvious immediately after watching but that's beside the point.
Basically every character was distilled down to one or two character traits in this movie, which they rarely, if ever, deviated from:
Quill is an obscene womanizer who likes Gamora and has Daddy issues. He doesn't really go beyond that at all and felt really lacking in this movie, outside of the tumor scene.
Rocket, the technical expert, is largely reduced to a jerk with not much else going on, with his whole plotline being "stop being a jerk on purpose".
Drax, who the first movie introduces as a fierce warrior who wasn't dumb but who sometimes didn't understand social cues and metaphors, is effectively reduced to a dumb brute who is around purely for comedy value in this movie. Outside of him ineffectively slicing the monster at the beginning and putting on the jetpack to save antenna girl, what did he actually do in this movie except be comic relief? Granted, he had some of the best scenes in the movie, but he also had some of the worst because he was overused as well. I audibly groaned during the scene where he says "Yeah! That was awesome!!!!!!" like he was some some seven year old child, which was entirely out of place and sounded totally forced.
Edit- Drax should be treated like the Creed character from The Office: Used sparingly which produces hilarious results. It gets boring and repetitive when they overuse him.
Groot needs no explanation, really.
Gamora was just kind of there outside of the plotline with her sister. She didn't really seem to have any goals or characterization of her own in this one.
So with that said, please explain to me how all the characters being gutted for maximum funny and pretty much every scene clearly being squeezed for maximum quotable potential is a good thing, as opposed to just making a good movie?
GotG 1 pulled off an action comedy well and rightly deserved its success while managing to have well-rounded characters, except maybe Gamora (and Groot?).
This movie was basically a straight up comedy with some action sequences tacked on and only the most basic of plot and characterization to push it along, Yondu scenes excluded.
There are many ways to resolve conflict other than murder. It is laughable to assume that murder is a reasonable option here.
They have a communication system, they can call for help. Maybe they can repair the engine themselves. Heck, Yondu could just send some ship to them afterwards.
I'm pointing out that it is very cynical, especially for a Marvel movie. This is the kind of thoughtless cynicism I would expect from DC.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
4RCED
Da-Kid
Member
The Guardians aren't opposed to killing, especially Rocket. The Ravagers, are ruthless killers and were out to kill Yondu and Rocket. They were not to be reasoned with.
Glass Rebel
Member
When I watch a movie that has a cute dancing tree and two grown men playing catch the first thing I think is "tryhard edgy".
There were a million ways for Rocket and Yondu to escape without killing anyone. The did it because they wanted to - they wanted to enjoy some revenge. Rocket even asks for some music to play, and gleefully joins in, blasting holes in people and laughing.
Like, they murdered a spaceship full of dudes for personal satisfaction. Because they're pretty awful people. It was very much in-line with the tone of the series.
Like, they murdered a spaceship full of dudes for personal satisfaction. Because they're pretty awful people. It was very much in-line with the tone of the series.
Da-Kid
Member
Yeah, this guy... basically saying if someone is trying to kill you, find some way to safely stop them. This would make sense with someone like Captain America, Spider-Man. Guardians... no, they will kill you if necessary.
Yeah GOTG might contain noticeably more humour then even regular Marvel movies but's also tonally darker as well. I mean that's why they hired James Gunn in the first place.
Inferno313
Banned
Y'all seen Gunn's Super? Guardians might as well be the Care Bears by comparison, lmao.
BlackNMild2k1
Member
I think you're completely ignoring who these Ravagers are though.
They pulled off a successful mutiny of the captain, and then murdered everyone that supported him, except for the guy that accidentally caused triggered the uprising, as they thought he was no longer siding w/ the captain. They made the captain watch, and planned on killing Yondu too at the end of the day till they were interrupted from doing that.
IF Yondu didn't murder all these traitorous murdering bastards in the midst of his escape, they would turn around and hunt him down to kill him. and since Yondu no longer had a loyal crew of murderous bastards of his own to watch his back, it was best to just not leave any survivors and not have to worry about it. Besides, people talk, and Yondu didn't want talk of no mutiny on his watch. He may never be able to get a loyal crew again, or respect in the many taverns he frequents once word got out.
Not in that FICTIONAL world you're watching. We're not talking about real life here. We're talking about a world where cruel space pirates exist. A dog-eat-dog world.
Again, your pacific logic is not the most sound. Why would Yondu send some ship to them afterwards? They want to kill Yondu! You're talking about laughable. This is laughable. It's like telling your killer "Hey, here's some ship, please go hunt me later, yeah?"
It's not cynical. It's realistic. You don't tell a killer "Please don't kill me". You kill them or you get killed. End of story.
MugiwaraCole
Member
That's a you problem.
There was plenty of reason for them to kill the Ravagers. It's dark, but that doesn't make it not necessary. The Guardians aren't the Avengers. They're still technically outlaws. They will kill those who endanger them and/or who deserve it. The Ravagers fit both bills.