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Why do people keep insisting that Pokemon Stars will be a Switch game? It won't, if it's real, it's going to be a Nintendo 3DS only game. Game Freak loves supporting older hardware for a long time before Switching. It'd make much more sense to start the Switch off with a new generation.

We keep saying that because it makes the most sense, and there have been multiple rumors supporting the claim. Nintendo absolutely wants the Switch to take off, so it wouldn't be hard to believe they Game Freak on board with this notion as well. Plus, the game is complete anyway, it wouldn't take much work to adjust the resolution, add a few more pokemon, etc.
 
ONE MORE THING: Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch. Sakurai explains this is the definitive edition of the game. "The Nintendo Switch is both a handheld, and a console. As such, in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch, we have included the contents of both Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for WiiU. All of the DLC for both games is also included. But that's not all."

Proceeds to reveal that Ice Climbers are back. He explains they weren't possible on the 3DS due to hardware limitations, or on WiiU due to hardware limitations in 8P.

Another new addition: The Inklings, from Splatoon. They also weren't possible in the other games, due to the hardware demands of their ink splatter effects. They join the battle with their kid-to-squid powers. Like the Mii Fighter, they come in several classes: Splattershot, Roller and Charger. And like the Mii Fighter, you can customize elements of them, such as their sub-weapons and specials. Also, the "Gear Sync" feature checks your Switch for Splatoon 2 save data, and allows you to import the appearance of your Inkling from Splatoon 2.

Other surprises still await, Sakurai teases. But here's a glimpse of other features, including a stage hazard toggle, and a tag-team mode where you choose several characters and switch freely between them mid-battle. Also releasing alongside the game: Wavebird Joy-Cons. The GCN adapter is also supported.

Close with a trailer for Bomberman in Smash. And then the kicker at the end: Snake returns from Metal Gear Solid. "Kept you waiting, huh?"

This sounds amazing. The only game I want to see get announced is Smash 4. Rest of the games are icing on the cake for me.
 
Some of this is plausable, but some is also hard to believe. For example...



Why do people keep insisting that Pokemon Stars will be a Switch game? It won't, if it's real, it's going to be a Nintendo 3DS only game. Game Freak loves supporting older hardware for a long time before Switching. It'd make much more sense to start the Switch off with a new generation.



There's also no way they'd spend this much time at the end dedicated to a port. We've been through this, ports have no place in an E3 Presentation/Conference. If we do see Smash for Switch, it's going to be announced sometime other than E3.



But it was announced before hand Koei Tecmo. Plus, they didn't spend any time on it either, all they said was "BTW, Legends is coming to 3DS. k thnx bai!". It's not the same as unveiling it for the first time and showing extensive footage of it.

Past precedent alone isn't the best argument because it's the kind of thing that can easily be tossed aside. There had never been a Mario Kart port until now, but there is one. It was featured in both the Switch announcement teaser and the January event and has been a major centrepiece of the system's lineup so far, with plenty of new content to justify the double dip. If there was an E3 for it to be revealed, you bet they'd have shown it off there.

A straight port of, say, Tropical Freeze or Pikmin 3, would be schedule filler you can announce anytime. An enhanced port of SSB for Wii U with new characters, stages, modes, and amiibos and accessories to sell, that's an AAA release for Nintendo.
 
We keep saying that because it makes the most sense, and there have been multiple rumors supporting the claim. Nintendo absolutely wants the Switch to take off, so it wouldn't be hard to believe they Game Freak on board with this notion as well. Plus, the game is complete anyway, it wouldn't take much work to adjust the resolution, add a few more pokemon, etc.

But if they release Stars for the Switch, they'd have to port over Sun and Moon too. Since Pokemon's biggest selling point is trading between versions, and unless the Switch is backwards compatible with 3DS wireless connections, having just one version of a Pokemon generation on the Switch defeats the entire point.

So no, I don't think it's going to be for the Switch, it's going to be for the 3DS.

Past precedent alone isn't the best argument because it's the kind of thing that can easily be tossed aside. There had never been a Mario Kart port until now, but there is one. It was featured in both the Switch announcement teaser and the January event and has been a major centrepiece of the system's lineup so far, with plenty of new content to justify the double dip. If there was an E3 for it to be revealed, you bet they'd have shown it off there.

A straight port of, say, Tropical Freeze or Pikmin 3, would be schedule filler you can announce anytime. An enhanced port of SSB for Wii U with new characters, stages, modes, and amiibos and accessories to sell, that's an AAA release for Nintendo.

The thing with Mario Kart is that, while it is a major release, Nintendo didn't spend any time on it at the January event. They only confirmed it's existence after the show. My point is, Ports aren't something you'd want to spend a huge amount of time on at an E3 Presentation, and Nintendo knows this. If any ports are announced at E3, expect them to be low-key stealth announcements.
 
But if they release Stars for the Switch, they'd have to port over Sun and Moon too. Since Pokemon's biggest selling point is trading between versions, and unless the Switch is backwards compatible with 3DS wireless connections, having just one version of a Pokemon generation on the Switch defeats the entire point.

So no, I don't think it's going to be for the Switch, it's going to be for the 3DS. Eruogamer isn't word of god, they've been wrong before.

They won't need to. You'll be able to transfer Pokémon via Pokémon bank like you do to get RBY Pokémon on Sun and Moon
 
Some of this is plausable, but some is also hard to believe. For example...



Why do people keep insisting that Pokemon Stars will be a Switch game? It won't, if it's real, it's going to be a Nintendo 3DS only game. Game Freak loves supporting older hardware for a long time before Switching. It'd make much more sense to start the Switch off with a new generation.



There's also no way they'd spend this much time at the end dedicated to a port. We've been through this, ports have no place in an E3 Presentation/Conference. If we do see Smash for Switch, it's going to be announced sometime other than E3.



But it was announced before hand Koei Tecmo. Plus, they didn't spend any time on it either, all they said was "BTW, Legends is coming to 3DS. k thnx bai!". It's not the same as unveiling it for the first time and showing extensive footage of it.
Actually most likely it'll cross platform. The reason why they had no issue doing that before js becausr all previous handhelds has backwards compatiblilty. Nintendo is unlikely to encourage to release a game that can't be played at all in their new portable/hybrid device.
 
I feel going on past E3's, the farthest Nintendo will show will be Spring 2018 games. Unless there are massive delays (and very few exceptions), most games they reveal at E3 have been focused on and release in that calendar year.
 
The thing with Mario Kart is that, while it is a major release, Nintendo didn't spend any time on it at the January event. They only confirmed it's existence after the show. My point is, Ports aren't something you'd want to spend a huge amount of time on at an E3 Presentation, and Nintendo knows this. If any ports are announced at E3, expect them to be low-key stealth announcements.

Smash Bros. is one of Nintendo's biggest IPs. Why shouldn't it be at E3? To the majority of gamers, it would be a new game.

They wouldn't even need to spend a ton of time on it. Just do what they did at E3 2013: Say "one more thing", show a trailer that shows off a bit of the overall game to make people go "oh shit, it's Smash Bros", reveal a new character or two, and then save further information for later throughout E3 (e.g. during Treehouse). It would take maybe 2-3 minutes. They don't need to spend 10 minutes showing Sakurai talk about why he chose a certain kanji or knitting a Yoshi amiibo.
 
Only 2017 games and presumably they've already debriefed us on their heavy hitters. I'm kinda concerned.

They said "focus" not "exclusively". For the 100th time. And even of the stuff announced so far we havet seen much. Apart from Mario we have Xenoblade 2, Splatoon 2's singleplayer, stuff like Octopath Traveler and other stuff I'm forgetting right now.
 
Opens with Super Mario Odyssey. Details on the Crazy Caps and co-op Tether Mode. November 2017.

Launch trailer for ARMS. Showcase two new characters. (Press was embargoed from revealing them in preview/review coverage.) "Out this week!"

Hero Mode trailer for Splatoon 2. New level themes, stage elements, enemies and bosses. Callie and Marie are playable characters. July 2017.

Quick note on DLC Pack #1 for Breath of the Wild, showing it in action, with release date. Quick glimpse of artwork for DLC Pack #2.

Pokken Tournament. Includes the arcade-only additions. New characters, as well. New "switch" mode where you can choose two playable Pokemon, each with their own supports, and switch between them freely, like a 6v6 battle. August 2017.

Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle. Comedic turn-based strategy RPG. Mario and friends arm themselves with new E. Gadd inventions to ward off an inter-dimensional invasion by the Rabbids. A friendly UFO from another world helps guide them. September 2017.

Fire Emblem Warriors. Several new characters shown. Switch between characters mid-battle. Pair Up for team attacks. Support conversations in between missions. October 2017.

Pokemon Stars. Definitive edition of Sun and Moon. Pokemon follow you in the overworld. New points of interest in each town. New post-game featuring second quest where you travel to Kanto, fully realized in 3D. November 2017.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2. UK voice actors, in keeping with XC1. Game takes place on living titans instead of corpse gods. Global release: December 2017.

The Switch Virtual Console. Mother 3 localized into English as EarthBound Legends. Available by itself or with EarthBound and EarthBound Beginnings in EarthBound Saga.

GCN titles also coming to Switch Virtual Console, starting with Super Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion and Super Smash Bros Melee. Melee now has online.

Details on Nintendo's online service plan. For $24.99 a year, you can play games online and access an upgraded version of Miiverse on Switch. You'll also have free access to select Virtual Console and eShop titles each month, for the duration of the month.

A look forward to 2018:

New IP by Retro Studios. An atmospheric first-person shooter with an emphasis on melee and traversal mechanics. 2018.

A remake of the first Pikmin. Expansive world; longer days; new Pikmin type (GREEN) and enemies. Olimar is not alone; two other captains are stranded with him. Switch between trio like in Pikmin 3. Play the campaign in co-op. Playable with a single Joy-Con. 2018.

Fire Emblem for Switch. Multiple SKUs, each their own story and campaign, like Fates. 2018.

Animal Crossing for Switch. Immerse yourself in world with optional ground-level camera. Rotate camera to see sides and backs of buildings, and look south. Fence in yards and landscape property. Hold block parties. Juggle part-time jobs. Develop infrastructure with proper roads. Up to four players can work on same town in local splitscreen MP.

ONE MORE THING: Super Smash Bros for Nintendo Switch. Sakurai explains this is the definitive edition of the game. "The Nintendo Switch is both a handheld, and a console. As such, in Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch, we have included the contents of both Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for WiiU. All of the DLC for both games is also included. But that's not all."

Proceeds to reveal that Ice Climbers are back. He explains they weren't possible on the 3DS due to hardware limitations, or on WiiU due to hardware limitations in 8P.

Another new addition: The Inklings, from Splatoon. They also weren't possible in the other games, due to the hardware demands of their ink splatter effects. They join the battle with their kid-to-squid powers. Like the Mii Fighter, they come in several classes: Splattershot, Roller and Charger. And like the Mii Fighter, you can customize elements of them, such as their sub-weapons and specials. Also, the "Gear Sync" feature checks your Switch for Splatoon 2 save data, and allows you to import the appearance of your Inkling from Splatoon 2.

Other surprises still await, Sakurai teases. But here's a glimpse of other features, including a stage hazard toggle, and a tag-team mode where you choose several characters and switch freely between them mid-battle. Also releasing alongside the game: Wavebird Joy-Cons. The GCN adapter is also supported.

Close with a trailer for Bomberman in Smash. And then the kicker at the end: Snake returns from Metal Gear Solid. "Kept you waiting, huh?"

I hate you now because nothing Nintendo does can top this. We are enemies!
 
Smash Bros. is one of Nintendo's biggest IPs. Why shouldn't it be at E3? To the majority of gamers, it would be a new game.

They wouldn't even need to spend a ton of time on it. Just do what they did at E3 2013: Say "one more thing", show a trailer that shows off a bit of the overall game to make people go "oh shit, it's Smash Bros", reveal a new character or two, and then save further information for later throughout E3 (e.g. during Treehouse). It would take maybe 2-3 minutes. They don't need to spend 10 minutes showing Sakurai talk about why he chose a certain kanji or knitting a Yoshi amiibo.

What you said here also applies to Mario Kart
 
Why wouldn't it be?

Unless they decide to port Pokemon Bank over to Switch as well that is. I just find it hard to believe that they can get a Pokemon port out this fast. Not saying ports are like making a AAA game, but porting a game still requires a lot of work that can take at least a year make. It's not just a matter of copy-pasting code onto a development kit, now you have to optimize that code, make it work with the hardware architecture, remap the controls, program new features.

I'll gladly eat a crow if I'm wrong, but as of now, I just don't buy that it'll be a Switch game. Nintendo's comments on supporting the 3DS through 2018 gives me every reason to believe this is a 3DS only game.
 
Unless they decide to port Pokemon Bank over to Switch as well that is. I just find it hard to believe that they can get a Pokemon port out this fast. Not saying ports are like making a AAA game, but porting a game still requires a lot of work that can take at least a year make. It's not just a matter of copy-pasting code onto a development kit, now you have to optimize that code, make it work with the hardware architecture, remap the controls, program new features.

I'll gladly eat a crow if I'm wrong, but as of now, I just don't buy that it'll be a Switch game. Nintendo's comments on supporting the 3DS through 2018 gives me every reason to believe this is a 3DS only game.

Question, what makes you think stars is a game at all?
 
So did anyone notice?

The Nintendo Spotlight is where they'll show games for the Nintendo Switch.

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If Smash Switch happens, I don't expect it to be anymore than a mostly straight port of the Wii U version, for the reasons below.

Honestly at this point, I'm not expecting any new characters for Smash 4 Switch (if it happens anyway).

In addition to MK8 Deluxe's additions being a bit more sparse than we thought...there's also the fact that Nintendo is actually still trying to sell the 3DS alongside the Switch at this time. There may be a point in time when Nintendo phases out the 3DS and goes on to fully support the Switch, but at the moment, it's only really replacing the Wii U for now. The 3DS is still alive and Nintendo most likely still wants to sell Smash 3DS. They even advertised it in their holiday commercial like two years after it came out. They most likely want to still sell Smash Wii U as well, but obviously they can't do that considering the Wii U is history. In that sense, you could see Smash 4 Switch as a quick and easy replacement, so they can continue to still have a "home console" Smash alongside a handheld Smash.

There might be some new exclusive stages and new modes, kinda like how Smash 3DS and Smash Wii U did it, but considering Sakurai went out of his way to make sure the 3DS and Wii U games had complete character roster parity, I wouldn't really expect anything new on that front. I guess one thing they could do is make any new characters they added to the Switch version DLC for the 3DS version...which, um, would completely annihilate any chances of the Ice Climbers returning to this game, welp.

Like I said, Nintendo will probably begin to phase out the 3DS at some point in order to focus on the Switch...but when they get to that point, Sakurai will probably begin working on a brand new Smash title.

You know, something I think most of us forgot about was all the total amount count Sakurai did at the end of the final broadcast/presentation back in 2015.

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I re-watched that whole sequence and it just seemed very obvious Sakurai was so done with Smash 4 at that point, lol. Deep down, I always felt it'd be really bizarre of him to look back at it all and count the total amount of characters, stages, etc as a way to cap it all off, only just to turn around and say "lol jk here's more shit".

So yeah, I'm with Green Mamba. I was optimistic about this for awhile, but now I don't think it's happening. Although, I think it's possible Sakurai might of just moved on a new project altogether that isn't Smash (Kid Icarus sequel pleeeeease) and we'll probably just have to wait several more years for the next Smash.

Man, I'm gonna probably be nearing my 30s by then. :/
 
Question, what makes you think stars is a game at all?

That actually brings up another interesting point. Say, Pokemon Stars is a Switch game, but who's to say it'd be an extension of Gen 7? It could very well be a throwaway spin-off for the kids this holiday much in the vein of Pokemon Rumble, or Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, so that Nintendo has some form of Pokemon on the Switch this year. Either way, I don't expect this Pokemon Stars to get any significant screen time during the Spotlight, assuming it's real in the first place.
 
Can't wait for the unveiling of Retro's DKC:Returns 3 on Switch. Portable HD DK action!

I literally jumped out of my seat when Tropical Freeze was revealed - if a third game gets announced, I think I might go through the roof. lol.
 
There will absolutely be at the very least a teaser for a big 2018 release.I'm thinking Metroid is still the most likely candidate.
I think two games. Metroid and Retros game. And tbh whatever Retro is working on could come this year. We're all jumping to conclusions that it'll be next year because Rabbids will come this year and maybe Smash and Pokémon too, but you never know.
 
I'm less and less sure about the guarantee of Pokemon Stars and Smash for Switch. But I stand by the fact that they will have a reveal for a huge 2018 game that is to that point unannounced. I hope all 3 are true, but in the end, I'd rather that juicy new game that is currently not on any radar.
 
Only 2017 games and presumably they've already debriefed us on their heavy hitters. I'm kinda concerned.
Concern trolling. Besides last years e3 where we were informed ahead of time (breath of the wild) what company in the industry lays out their full hand before e3?
 
But if they release Stars for the Switch, they'd have to port over Sun and Moon too. Since Pokemon's biggest selling point is trading between versions, and unless the Switch is backwards compatible with 3DS wireless connections, having just one version of a Pokemon generation on the Switch defeats the entire point.

It doesn't need to be. Just restrict inter console trading/battles to over wi-fi and let the servers deal with it.
 
It doesn't need to be. Just restrict inter console trading/battles to over wi-fi and let the servers deal with it.

Then you'd be gimping a huge part of Pokemon, Local communication. Sure online is great and all, but by cutting local trades and battles, you'd be cutting out a huge essence of what makes Pokemon so popular.
 
I can't believe people think we won't see new games. This is E3 for God's sake, Personally all i want from this presentation is a new Animal Crossing and Pokemon.
 
So did anyone notice?

The Nintendo Spotlight is where they'll show games for the Nintendo Switch.

Heh, good catch. I wonder if that was intentional on their part.

I think two games. Metroid and Retros game. And tbh whatever Retro is working on could come this year. We're all jumping to conclusions that it'll be next year because Rabbids will come this year and maybe Smash and Pokémon too, but you never know.

Yeah, since when does a platform holder tell you the entire year's lineup in January? I would not be at all surprised if Pokemon Stars, Retro's game, Mario x Rabbids, Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2 all make it for this Fall/Winter. Nintendo needs to go into overkill to keep up the Switch's momentum.

Substitute any game on that list for Smash, I think Smash in addition to all that might be TOO much overkill honestly.

There will totally be 2018 games. But not like Holiday 2018. Probably up to March

Yup, just like all of Nintendo's past E3s. They'll announce some games for the next year releasing before next year's E3.
 
Not liking how the announcent sounds to be honest. Last year they said, we are only going to show zelda, and people thought there were surprises and that nintendo wouldnt only bring zelda, that they werent that crazy, but surprise, they were, they really wasnt anything new to be hyped about at the end and actually showing only zelda worked for them.
Here they are saying most of the light is going to be for Super Mario Odyssey and then a little addition of games that are going to release in 2017. It seems they think, and i really hope this is not the case, showing the big game only is going to placate the masses every e3 and it will work the same as last year.

So this year im not going to await for any surprises. if there are, will be super happy, but there doesnt seem theres going to be a lot of amazing stuff showing in that spotlight.

At least I hope Xenoblade 2 comes in 2017 and shows at e3.
 
So no, I don't think it's going to be for the Switch, it's going to be for the 3DS.

The thing is, there's a good amount of evidence to suggest it is for the Switch beyond just rumors. A lot of the assets in Sun/Moon (mainly, the Pokemon models themselves) were made with more powerful hardware in mind in the first place. Just look at Citra (the 3DS emulator) and how the models look there.

Additionally, the whole walking Pokemon animations for all 700+ Pokemon being leftover in Sun/Moon. No, it's not the standard "oh that was just cut because the 3DS couldn't handle it"-- you wouldn't have all those animations and higher quality models left in the games if you were just going to... not use them for anything. They wouldn't have done all of that work, it would have been scrapped before it even got to the double digits of Pokemon.

And any problem with trading/battling is easily remedied by just restricting Switch -> 3DS interactions to online.

This isn't like Gen 5 to Gen 6 where they needed that extra year to create 3D models and make that huge jump to 3D. They've already got all the assets ready for a Switch game and if they want Gen 7 to continue on newer hardware it's going to be Stars for the Switch (or the third game, whatever it may actually be called).

Most of the 3DS games left aren't done by Nintendo's first party studios and if they are, then they're smaller scale projects (i.e the Kirby multiplayer game & Mario & Luigi remake). If there's going to be any 3DS games in 2018 left, it's lagging third party games.
 
If they want me to buy a Switch this fall, I need details and positive news regarding online and digital content management.

How will vc purchases be handled?
Still have to Rebuy same games each time we buy new hardware?
Is my Nintendo going to become an integrated and unified achievement and rewards system?
How's the app going to work?
Is online going to be unified and integrated or continue to be piecemeal?

No answers or bad news and I'm not buying shit till the end of the life of the platform. Just like I did with 3ds and wiiu.

Too busy to invest in mediocre platforms.
 
The thing is, there's a good amount of evidence to suggest it is for the Switch beyond just rumors. A lot of the assets in Sun/Moon (mainly, the Pokemon models themselves) were made with more powerful hardware in mind in the first place. Just look at Citra (the 3DS emulator) and how the models look there.

Additionally, the whole walking Pokemon animations for all 700+ Pokemon being leftover in Sun/Moon. No, it's not the standard "oh that was just cut because the 3DS couldn't handle it"-- you wouldn't have all those animations and higher quality models left in the games if you were just going to... not use them for anything. They wouldn't have done all of that work, it would have been scrapped before it even got to the double digits of Pokemon.

Well if there's going to be a port of all three games (Sun/Moon/Stars) on the Switch in addition to their 3DS versions, then I could maybe buy that. But I don't buy the whole "Stars will be a Switch exclusive" narrative because it makes no logical business sense. If you're going to make a gen 7 game for the Switch, you might as well bring the other games along for the ride and release Stars on the 3DS as well.

And any problem with trading/battling is easily remedied by just restricting Switch -> 3DS interactions to online.

As I explained, doing this cuts out a significant essence to Pokemon. By taking away local communication with the other versions, you take away the very reason Pokemon is so popular.

Most of the 3DS games left aren't done by Nintendo's first party studios and if they are, then they're smaller scale projects (i.e the Kirby multiplayer game & Mario & Luigi remake). If there's going to be any 3DS games in 2018 left, it's lagging third party games.

Don't be surprised if Nintendo announces another 3DS game or two during the Treehouse stream. Also, it wouldn't be the first time a new Pokemon was released very late in a system's life, Black and White 2 came out on the DS a whole year after the release of the 3DS. Granted, the 3DS had backwards compatibility, but that doesn't change much of anything.
 
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