GraveRobberX
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Not even a MMO starts out that crazy and that's a FUCKING MMO!
Destiny 2 Reveal Livestream [Over]
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Not even a MMO starts out that crazy and that's a FUCKING MMO!
JetBlackPanda
Member
Bingo.
would you rather your core player base be miffed right now or people that already arent fans.
Cob32
Member
I'm surprised by this considering they still had the old 3 on the marketing stuff they've released so far. Did they show much of them? I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.
Twilight Gap
Member
also rip crucible trains
Vex should have totally go wild and change their constructions for the sequel, it's not like they've been like that for millions of years
Will the Thrill
Banned
You know, I wonder if the speaker is going to end up having betrayed us for the Cabal. Since they went looking for him and didn't find him, just that area blown up. Wasn't he originally planned to be evil?
tenderbrew
Member
Yah Bungie get your shit together. We've been playing 100 hour long FPS campaigns for years. It's 2017!
Anyone that didn't think was gonna be the case is flat out delusional.
Pattycakes
Banned
30fps 4k or 30fps 1080p? That's two different things.
Also 60 fps confirmed for PC makes me very happy
NullPointer
Member
Are they bigger? Are there more types of meaty activities to do on them? Are the activities more dynamic? Are they strictly level gated like D1?
Trees =/= same area mate
Darryl M R
Member
Even with beast mode?
Do we already know how big they are then?
I'm very surprised by this too. I thought the 60 fps on console dream died for aaa shooters years ago.
Maybe someone did if that poster says he's seen posts to that effect. Either way I don't think it looks like garbage, I'm just underwhelmed.
FrontalMonk
Banned
I mean to be fair I'm right there with you. I played D1 for the first month and bounced, because the campaign was shit, the areas got boring, they kept patching the only ways to get gear, and you kept getting blues from identifying purples, and I didn't know enough people to run the raid. TTK was definitely better from the story angle, at least, but it didn't pull me in; the magic was gone by then.
Like I said though, this feel like a more realized vision of what Destiny was supposed to be, and I'm taking that for what it is; fixing the things that were broken and leaving in the shit that worked.
matrixman92
Member
and it goes right back the other way around. I was condescended to for pointing out that I dont like it earlier
Was sometimes even abit spoilery with the story.
franklyshankly
Member
Those aren't new classes, they are new subclasses. It remains to be seen if they are in adition to existing ones or replacing one of the elements of each.
serenewarfare
Banned
Not without a decent amount of changes IMO. The amount of new exploration stuff would need to also be implemented into the old D1 play areas.
Your reaction is how most people feel. Destiny threads just bring out trolls who thought the game wouldn't be a sequel to Destiny.
Simo
Member
Yo like, you gonna help me with some raids then or wot. lol
Cool, glad to hear that. Hope to see the zones much larger and more interesting as well.
I wonder if it's 60 capped, I'd love 144fps on PC
so is ThatsMytrunks vindicated or nah?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=237037842&postcount=210
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=237037842&postcount=210
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Guided games is a /perfect/ solution and will make the game much better for YOU than matchmaking ever would.
Stop asking for MM. MM would cause issues that would ruin your experience, almost certainly. Guided Games is a way to curate your experience combined with the ease of MM.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
And I'm out.
old supers are coming back
Complicated
Banned
Welp. I'm out. Could've given Crucible a chance at not being worthless.
GlamFM
Banned
No. Ignore the internet bullshit and watch it for yourself
Well shit, I thought it was kind of underwhelming but 'buy it for free because you play wow' works as a promotion for me.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Perspective; Never played the first. Always wanted to.
Didn't expect a studio who made expansions for a game who said game would have a 10-year cycle (at least) to make a sequel within 3 years that improved engine/graphics/whatever.
If a game of this scale can easily take 5-7 years, you wouldn't have gotten it so soon, and perhaps not in conjunction with Destinys expansions. I get the sense that some people here totally underestimate how time consuming and costly game development is. Game development of this scale is sadism.. it's absolute bullshit. You cannot just "add better graphics" without fucking over 30+ systems in the background.
Personally I think the graphics look great. I'm interested in the game for art direction. I think it's smart to try to and prioritize a workflow that allows you to pump out content faster. It's a key lesson in MMO design that gamers exhaust content before developers can build it. So what you want is a easy content delivery mechanism that allow you to faster pump out new content.
My hope for Destiny 2 is that it will have a lot more breath. - As in, a longer and more fulfilling campaigns, and a lot more end game than the first game. If the value and ratio and lifecycle of the content is expanded, I think that would be a much superior direction to go in, than making a game that pushes the graphical fidelity, but which hamstrungs itself and slows itself down in its ability to output new content.
Secondly, as someone who has never played it (like lots of other PC gamers) I'd hope that perhaps some of the D1 content is reintroduced in some manner. If it's the same engine and systems, it should be possible to bring some of it back. Perhaps through a carefully curated process with something like "previously in Destiny" that gives new and old players a highlight into the first games best moments. I'd be interested in that.
Thirdly, I respect Bungie here for talking a big game about community, clans and so on. My favorite part of this presentation was the bit by the social lead. On PC we have a situation where we have more good MMORPGs than ever before, but at the same time, it's more difficult than ever for people to form meaningful guilds and relationships. The games are taking a more solo approach and you're less dependent on other players, and you have lots of gamers that have bad UI and group structures for bringing people together. And you also have a lot of games that are not really challenging in a true cooperative way.
I don't know if Bungie will succeed in this, but I am for any studio that wants to reduce toxicity in the online gaming communities. But engineering social behavior is a completely different beast from gameplay development, and it's not like we've not seen countless examples of developers using similar buzz words about building true friendships and changing peoples lives. It's not that these things are not true, but we're increasingly growing malleable and cynical to this rhetoric because we've heard it all before, only for the community to worse that shit.
I'm excited for this game. It would be really cool if the game had some sandbox trappings that would extend its gameplay to beyond progressing via combat and the usual missions. It would be exciting if customization would be expanded. If there was 10x the variety of gear, or twice the amount of end game. These are the things that where you can really make a game last longer and give it more steam and energy than just increasing the graphical fidelity and call it a sequel.
I think that's too easy. And the fact is that increasing the visual fidelity comes at the expense of adding new content.
But will D2 launch with a truly epic worth of more-more-more that makes it bigger, badder and meaner? Launch will tell, but I really hope people will stop judging a games by its sequel potential by its graphic improvements.
Didn't expect a studio who made expansions for a game who said game would have a 10-year cycle (at least) to make a sequel within 3 years that improved engine/graphics/whatever.
If a game of this scale can easily take 5-7 years, you wouldn't have gotten it so soon, and perhaps not in conjunction with Destinys expansions. I get the sense that some people here totally underestimate how time consuming and costly game development is. Game development of this scale is sadism.. it's absolute bullshit. You cannot just "add better graphics" without fucking over 30+ systems in the background.
Personally I think the graphics look great. I'm interested in the game for art direction. I think it's smart to try to and prioritize a workflow that allows you to pump out content faster. It's a key lesson in MMO design that gamers exhaust content before developers can build it. So what you want is a easy content delivery mechanism that allow you to faster pump out new content.
My hope for Destiny 2 is that it will have a lot more breath. - As in, a longer and more fulfilling campaigns, and a lot more end game than the first game. If the value and ratio and lifecycle of the content is expanded, I think that would be a much superior direction to go in, than making a game that pushes the graphical fidelity, but which hamstrungs itself and slows itself down in its ability to output new content.
Secondly, as someone who has never played it (like lots of other PC gamers) I'd hope that perhaps some of the D1 content is reintroduced in some manner. If it's the same engine and systems, it should be possible to bring some of it back. Perhaps through a carefully curated process with something like "previously in Destiny" that gives new and old players a highlight into the first games best moments. I'd be interested in that.
Thirdly, I respect Bungie here for talking a big game about community, clans and so on. My favorite part of this presentation was the bit by the social lead. On PC we have a situation where we have more good MMORPGs than ever before, but at the same time, it's more difficult than ever for people to form meaningful guilds and relationships. The games are taking a more solo approach and you're less dependent on other players, and you have lots of gamers that have bad UI and group structures for bringing people together. And you also have a lot of games that are not really challenging in a true cooperative way.
I don't know if Bungie will succeed in this, but I am for any studio that wants to reduce toxicity in the online gaming communities. But engineering social behavior is a completely different beast from gameplay development, and it's not like we've not seen countless examples of developers using similar buzz words about building true friendships and changing peoples lives. It's not that these things are not true, but we're increasingly growing malleable and cynical to this rhetoric because we've heard it all before, only for the community to worse that shit.
I'm excited for this game. It would be really cool if the game had some sandbox trappings that would extend its gameplay to beyond progressing via combat and the usual missions. It would be exciting if customization would be expanded. If there was 10x the variety of gear, or twice the amount of end game. These are the things that where you can really make a game last longer and give it more steam and energy than just increasing the graphical fidelity and call it a sequel.
I think that's too easy. And the fact is that increasing the visual fidelity comes at the expense of adding new content.
But will D2 launch with a truly epic worth of more-more-more that makes it bigger, badder and meaner? Launch will tell, but I really hope people will stop judging a games by its sequel potential by its graphic improvements.
Destiny 2 can easily be bigger than COD in sales, Will it be? who knows
Just by making a great game is how they keep people coming back. Nothing manipulated by that.
I have no doubt we will get more about the Traveler and the Darkness.
Raids are not 4-5 hours long, specially if you're going with people that already know what to do
Dreadnought
Member
Game doesn't look too interesting imo. European dead zone is an area that was announced with destiny 1 and yet it was cut to be put in destiny 2. 1 Raid is very disappointing, D1 was supposed to ship with 3 raids originally. Hopefully the game isn't as bare bones as destiny 1 with just that 1 raid. It is a sequel after all shouldn't it have more?
serenewarfare
Banned
They talked about them being about twice the size of the original D1 play areas. And they'll have a lot of side content (they called them adventures), like side quests you pick up from characters in the world, treasure maps you find, and dungeons to explore.
Gotta wait till I get home from work.
There are no new classes. As in, it's still just Titan, Warlock and Hunter.
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