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[clarky]

Complete bullshit, there's always negativity but even Reddit had a lot of positivity for the good expansions and seasons. Hell there's even positivity for the Renegades reveal, but there's not getting around the fact that they shit the bed with today's release.

Todays just a mid season filler update no? Not an actual expansion as far as im aware. As for community sentiment right at this moment it in time i dunno as I don't follow the game super closely anymore but it cant be any worse than when Curse if Osiris released.

Most live service games would not be happy losing 80% of their players

Most live service game do in fact lose the majority of their player bases, look at Marvel Rivals, HellDivers 2 or Warzone to name just a few.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Todays just a mid season filler update no? Not an actual expansion as far as im aware.

The last expansion's numbers were pretty terrible compared to previous expansions. Granted the expansion cadence has changed for the worse but Destiny 2 was fairly stable for a long period of time at much larger numbers than it's doing now.

Mist live service game do in fact lose the majority of their player bases, look at Marvel Rivals, Hell Divers 2 or Warzone to name just a few.

Well shit that's a good point. I guess every live service game did just fine and dandy throughout its entire lifecycle and no further analysis can be done.

Helldivers has a much healthier Steam chart than Destiny.

 

[Loomy]

Todays just a mid season filler update no? Not an actual expansion as far as im aware.

Major expansion. They're switching back from 1 large expansion a year to 2 medium sized ones a year. They're also changing the season pass to make it work like most games these days. There's a free track and a premium track.

So instead of paying for 1 expansion and 3 season passes, you're paying for 2 expansions.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

woow the the reveal of this expansion is the best thing i have witnessed. Bungie truly doesn't get enough credit for the way they do it. James Cameron would be jelly at such craftsmanship.

 

[Loomy]

Granted the expansion cadence has changed for the worse but Destiny 2 was fairly stable for a long period of time at much larger numbers than it's doing now.

They've changed that back - hopefully permanently - now with 2 expansions per year. I'm waiting til the end of the year to play all the post Final Shape content.

Helldivers has a much healthier Steam chart than Destiny.

Helldivers 2 launched at a higher number than Destiny 2 on Steam, but they're doing about the same ~18 months post launch. Who knows where Helldivers 2 will be about 10 years from now. Hopefully Bungie is doing "how to not fuck up" presentations for other Sony Live Service studios.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

Major expansion. They're switching back from 1 large expansion a year to 2 medium sized ones a year. They're also changing the season pass to make it work like most games these days. There's a free track and a premium track.

So instead of paying for 1 expansion and 3 season passes, you're paying for 2 expansions.

He was referring to the release today, not the upcoming Renegades release. Which was supposed to be somewhat akin to a season under the previous model but fell way way short.

There's been a free track and premium track for years on the season pass. Not that the free track is every any good. Not that the paid track is particularly good. The value was mostly in the rest of the seasonal content which is now free but also completely lacking instead of usually lame but occasionally decent under the old seasonal model.

 

[clarky]

He was referring to the release today, not the upcoming Renegades release. Which was supposed to be somewhat akin to a season under the previous model but fell way way short.

There's been a free track and premium track for years on the season pass. Not that the free track is every any good. Not that the paid track is particularly good. The value was mostly in the rest of the seasonal content which is now free but also completely lacking instead of usually lame but occasionally decent under the old seasonal model.

Not denying Destiny's best days are behind it but I'm just saying across all formats a 100k+ CCU is not to be sniffed at.

 

[clarky]

Major expansion. They're switching back from 1 large expansion a year to 2 medium sized ones a year. They're also changing the season pass to make it work like most games these days. There's a free track and a premium track.

So instead of paying for 1 expansion and 3 season passes, you're paying for 2 expansions.

I don't think this Ash and Iron relase is considered a major expansion.

I could be wrong.

I still tune into Cross occasionally on YT and at least thats the impression I got. Like I said as a Destiny survivor I don't follow it that closely anymore.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

They've changed that back - hopefully permanently - now with 2 expansions per year. I'm waiting til the end of the year to play all the post Final Shape content.


Helldivers 2 launched at a higher number than Destiny 2 on Steam, but they're doing about the same ~18 months post launch. Who knows where Helldivers 2 will be about 10 years from now. Hopefully Bungie is doing "how to not fuck up" presentations for other Sony Live Service studios.

You're comparing a real launch in Helldivers 2 to Destiny 2's F2P transition.... and overlaying it over the part of Destiny's chart that I consider healthy. I doubt the F2P was bigger than D2 on actual launch day, though that's complicated by it launching on PC months after console, and us not really having comparable metrics to the steam numbers for it.

Let me apply your definition of 'expansion' and highlight when those happen on your chart to maybe help you see the problem:

 

[Loomy]

I don't think this Ash and Iron relase is considered a major expansion.

Yeah, sorry I misunderstood the comment. Ash & Iron is not a major update not expansion. Renegades is the expansion.

Avid Reading Horse You're right. Destiny expansion cadence has been a part of its problem for many years now, and a crap expansion in between good ones for years is a big part of people not wanting to stick around. Hopefully moving back to 2 expansions and more updates throughout the year helps.

As for the launch, yeah the first few years were not on Steam, but I think my point still stands. Both HD2 and D2 had good first couple of years. It'll be interesting to see where HD2 is 10 years from now.