I have issues with this too...except when it comes to attaining a job that involves someone's life or death. I would have no problem barring someone who has issues stabbing people from becoming a heart surgeon.
Oxford student spared jail after stabbing boyfriend had two other assault charges.
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I have issues with this too...except when it comes to attaining a job that involves someone's life or death. I would have no problem barring someone who has issues stabbing people from becoming a heart surgeon.
Oh I'm aware of the law, I'm saying it should be changed for the betterment of society.
I agree, this event speaks to her temperament and character... now and in this point of time. Where I differ from you (I think) is that I do not believe that the person who comes out at the end of a jail sentence has to be the same person with the same temperament/character as the one who went in.
Given she is clearly bright in some very significant ways, given the proper rehabilitative prison structure I think that as she served her time and with the appropriate guidance she could indeed be sufficiently changed enough. There are all sorts of ways we could do this. For example, what about a prison sentence where she serves 4 years, being given proper anger management therapy and the oversight of a psychiatrist. If at the end she goes to all her drug classes, completes all her programs and is given the green light by her psychiatrist, then at the end of her prison term her record is locked and expunged and she is free to finish her schooling and become a surgeon?
Society gets a rare commodity - a talented surgeon - so she pays back in that sense, she is given a goal so recidivism is unlikely, and she did her time so the justice system isn't unfairly penalizing someone for a life sentence. Is this not a good compromise? Don't get me wrong, I understand that as the law stands now she would be fucked. I am instead pondering whether there may not be some meaningful patches we could apply to the system to make society as a whole benefit further from the process of seeking justice.
DiipuSurotu
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One accident? Fine, counseling + probation + community service if it wasn't severe. Girl went to med school. Many of you don't understand the load of work they go through and effort it takes to even succeed in that environment.
But a history of other assault chargers? Now you're just enabling her. Girl needs to do some time now.
But a history of other assault chargers? Now you're just enabling her. Girl needs to do some time now.
If it makes you feel better, lots of members called them out, and the mods were quick to ban them. That kind of stuff isn't tolerated here.
thank god
You made me click the link, I hope your proud of yourself.
still would. I'd just carry protection (a stab proof vest)
All the papers are doing it in some way, it's kind of disturbing.
If the two incidents were even in the same country there might be a point here.
Dick Justice
Banned
You're really defending domestic abuse here? Would you be saying the same stupid shit if the genders were reversed? Seriously, fuck off.
You one of those people that ask if it is "Rap-rape" aren't you?
Damn how much of stabbing counts? must see bone?
Shadow Puppetry
Member
You care about the female. How do you know the guy is alright if you don't even know about the wound? Go sue your sister, no one is stopping you nor is it against the law.
clockworkinyou
Banned
I can just feel the crazy in her eyes.
Butter knife - is it truly a knife, or just a spreader? Can a spreader stab?
Butter knife - is it truly a knife, or just a spreader? Can a spreader stab?
Artery ruptured or it's not a true assault/stabbing!
A white person stab counts as 3/5th of a full stab.
You think racism is limited by country lines?
Brexit was triggered due to perfectly legitimate concerns about immigra---ahahHAAHAHA
sorry couldn't say that with a straight face
people say "still would" in 2017? rofl.
Messofanego
Banned
I hope everyone in the country is aware of Lavina Woodward and refuses to be treated under her.
What
protomouse
Member
What's with the photo collage?
Oh, and the judge ruling was bullshit and is still bullshit.
Oh, and the judge ruling was bullshit and is still bullshit.
I mean they're just showing the real reason she got off, so might as well.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Smh@ the clowns here who were actually defending this fucking nutjob.
Lol true, I recall people in the other thread saying they'd still smash, or something along those lines.
The purpose of imprisonment is to segregate the general public from those likely to do them harm - physical harm in particular, as other forms (e.g. theft) can usually be partially rectified through restitution or some form of community service.
That this person has a history of physical assault suggests previous sanctions have been ineffective, particularly as the violence used has escalated and could have resulted in death.
This behaviour may have resulted from a sustance abuse problem, mental health issues, or a combination of the two. Regardless, all people should be equal under the law. Whether or not they have a career that could be damaged is irrelevant, and something that person should have considered beforehand.
I could understand if the sentence was deferred until this person could complete their studies (provided this was expected within a reasonable timeframe) but completely letting them off sets a terrible precedent which favours the rich and successful over all others.
That this person has a history of physical assault suggests previous sanctions have been ineffective, particularly as the violence used has escalated and could have resulted in death.
This behaviour may have resulted from a sustance abuse problem, mental health issues, or a combination of the two. Regardless, all people should be equal under the law. Whether or not they have a career that could be damaged is irrelevant, and something that person should have considered beforehand.
I could understand if the sentence was deferred until this person could complete their studies (provided this was expected within a reasonable timeframe) but completely letting them off sets a terrible precedent which favours the rich and successful over all others.
In order to be a successful surgeon, you have to have the right temperament. This woman getting off free for her actions makes me wonder how'll she'll act when she literally has someone's life in their hands. She doesn't have the composure or attitude to be working in any hospital.
I don't really care about her potential when you have young Black and other minorities getting funneled into a school to prison pipeline. What about their potential? She has a history of violence and more than likely she'll reoffend.
I don't really care about her potential when you have young Black and other minorities getting funneled into a school to prison pipeline. What about their potential? She has a history of violence and more than likely she'll reoffend.
Even so, they're taking pics directly from her Facebook page. That's pretty fucked up.
Don't post pictures publicly if you don't want them in a story about you stabbing someone.
Or don't stab people.
kiunchbb
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It was probably their dick posting.
I'm not defending her. But if you can't see how creepy it is that they scrolled her FB and put up those photos, then I'm lost for words.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
ITT people pretend not to know that The Sun is a tabloid
Mammoth Jones
Member
I wish justice was colorblind.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
"Complete cycle path!"
For all the talk about white privilege this forum sure seems to be blind to American privilege of putting their social problems on other countries despite others not having the same demographics or politics.
Racism is true in all parts of the world, it's very obvious. Labeling this particular case as white privilege though does a disservice to the 90% of the population that are white but, i would argue, not being able to have such privilege without being rich or good looking. It's also demeaning towards the people who are experiencing the bulk of the racism that happens in European countries, other white people with different ethnicity as opposed to the country they are currently living in.
There was a fucking defense force for this? Are you shitting me?!
This criminal needs jail time.
Holy shit. Do you really believe something like this alleviates her of her crimes? That it puts her above others?
This criminal needs jail time.
Holy shit. Do you really believe something like this alleviates her of her crimes? That it puts her above others?
...but what about the cardiac patients in need of surgery that the 100s of other heart surgeons can perform instead of this bright young woman!?
The only reason to defend her is if she was the last heart surgeon on Earth, which isn't the case (thankfully).
There's a totally different approach to justice in the US compared to most of Europe too. Incarceration rates in the US are over 4x those in the UK and over 10x or more than somewhere like Sweden or Ireland.
I can see no evidence of racism in this case. If someone can present any then go for it. I also don't see how it's in any way useful to project US problems onto this case.
That's not to say the judge made a good decision. Might be, you know, that he's just not very good at his job.
No one cares. Your opinion is dumb as fuck.
Fair enough then, actual evidence, thanks.
uncredited male
Member
All the same dude too.
Messofanego
Banned
Doesn't count if it's just the tip.