RareFantasy64
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Will it center on the supporting cast? And you know what I mean by that
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Will it center on the supporting cast? And you know what I mean by that
Icyflamez96
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Reizo Ryuu
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Well, we´ve only gotten a glimpse into the alternate timeline, so...who knows?
What we do know however is making any small change could result in wildly different events as explained by Whis:
But I guess whis doesn't know what he's talking about either ¯\_(ツ
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ArchedThunder
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Why would there be?
Reizo Ryuu
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No, I really shouldn't, there's no precedent of vados, or any of the angels being a deceptive bunch or opening their mouths at all to make uninformed statements, everything they've said thus far has been pretty much gospel.
You're accusing vados of saying something she knows nothing about, so the burden of proof lies with you.
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ArchedThunder
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Zeno said he'd destroy the universes, eventually.
Those gods get a chance to survive because of Goku, but the others could die quicker because of him. Vados isn't wrong in saying Goku gave them a chance, but that doesn't mean zeno would destroy them soon.
Mister Wolf
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Well, we´ve only gotten a glimpse into the alternate timeline, so...who knows?
What we do know however is making any small change could result in wildly different events as explained by Whis:
But I guess whis doesn't know what he's talking about either ¯\_(ツ
Notice how your example is only confined to the planet it existed on showing and mentioning only affecting that planet.
the angels are not lying but are certainly not omniscient
Whis did not know what the fuck this whole Super Saiyajin Goddo business was about
did that mean that Super Saiyajin Goddo did not exist? obviously not
they work on limited information as much as the next guy
wait, so you are arguing that _something_ happened once Goku was gone from the FT's multiverse that delayed or completely stopped the mass deletion from happening?
so what you are saying is that Goku sped things up?
Whis did not know what the fuck this whole Super Saiyajin Goddo business was about
did that mean that Super Saiyajin Goddo did not exist? obviously not
they work on limited information as much as the next guy
Well, we´ve only gotten a glimpse into the alternate timeline, so...who knows?
What we do know however is making any small change could result in wildly different events as explained by Whis:
But I guess whis doesn't know what he's talking about either ¯\_(ツ
wait, so you are arguing that _something_ happened once Goku was gone from the FT's multiverse that delayed or completely stopped the mass deletion from happening?
so what you are saying is that Goku sped things up?
Reizo Ryuu
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The timeline was already different before goku died.
ArchedThunder
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Whis also thought traveling back in time was impossible.
There's no reason for Vados to know when Zeno would have destroyed the universes without the tournament.
Icyflamez96
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There is no precedent established that Vados or any of the angels to be in the know with Zeno, so you can't assume by default that she can speak with absolute knowledge on Zeno's "plans" unless there is proof. So no, that doesn't work as a reason why I should have to have proof to say she wasn't fully informed and you shouldn't have to have proof to say that she was. By default I assume she's not fully informed unless there is proof because there is no precedent of Vados being in the know with Zeno. You're the one who needs proof for your stance, not me.
You ignored a couple times now the points we had indicating that not even the Grand Priest knew, because if he didn't know, Vados definitely wouldn't know. Vados made that statement assuming that if that tournament wasn't happening at that time, the universes would have been destroyed in that same time frame.
Omega Kirby
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Whos ready for Diamond Frieza form
Diablohead
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so bad i'm laughing
Reizo Ryuu
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Yes you assume her statement is false. This sounds like a personal problem.
The absence of evidence isn't evidence by itself, so it doesn't proof anything other than that it wasn't mentioned.
Fact: FT's timeline was still there until Goku appeared and summoned Zeno
Fact: there was no mention of "too many universes" in the main timeline until Goku (the very same Goku! not a parallel Goku) mentioned a tournament to Zeno
Goku: I seem to attract all these problems being alive...
HMM.
Icyflamez96
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ArchedThunder
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Don't know if like.
What in the hell? Why?
vados is not lying
she is not mentioning the important detail that the mass deletion could have occurred any number of years later, in part cause her life span is gigantic compared to most ningen
it certainly was not mentioned when Zeno first thought of a bigger tournament at the end of the U6-7 tournament
so at least Zeno had planned to let the universes to live until the tournament, but the tournament could have happened at ??? time later, cause Zeno just doesn't care that much
so mentioning the tournament either made Zeno conflate both events, or, if the mass deletion and tournament had already been joined in Zeno's mind, made it happen way sooner
but Goku now has no one competent to leave the universe's protection to
I mean, there's Future Trunks...but in whole another timeline
You say that like Goku actively cares about protecting the universe.
donkey show
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Of course filthy ningens would come up with something like this. Zamasu was right.
Best part was Beerus not knowing people's names.
Reizo Ryuu
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Yes, she doesn't mention this "important detail" because instead she mentioned it would've happened already.
could've, would've, maybe, assumptions etc.
Icyflamez96
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I assume it wasn't fully informed, for the reasons I stated that you chose to not address. And you assume it's true. You are not above this assumption making.
Not sure where you're trying to go with this now other than to throw and ad hominem and peace out, especially since this is the third time you've ignored the supporting point that heavily indicates that Vados and the Grand Priest didn't know when Zeno was going to erase the universes if Goku didn't push them to start the tournament.
He also causes problems when he's dead.
Being erased is really the only option for Goku.
again, fact: the FT timeline is still there
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Why are people so fixated on this?
The success of side properties shows theres a market for a second DB anime. My bet is a DBH anime based on the manga. Im pulling this from my ass but i really dont think its a far fetched prediction
Reizo Ryuu
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Again, I'm not making assumptions, I literally have no thoughts about the circumstances that drove vados to say what she did, I'm simply going by the fact that she has said it.
And I'm not ignoring your "supporting points" because they don't exist, they are just assumptions based on the absence of evidence. And thus not evidence.
fact: the FT timeline is a wholy different reality, unaffected by present dealings.
they had all the time before super to make a DBH anime if they wanted
how do you know that
the only difference we know is that Goku died and FTrunks killed the androids and stopped Buu from appearing
that's all we know
or do you know of other differences
how do you know that
the only difference we know is that Goku died and FTrunks killed the androids and stopped Buu from appearing
that's all we know
or do you know of other differences
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah iirc they've already tried to make a DBH anime
Well wanted to make one
Well wanted to make one
RareFantasy64
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One show where Gohan is the main character and half the supporting characters follow his good leadership throughout story arcs and one show where Goku is the main character and he just makes a bunch of poor decisions fueled on his insatiable hunger for a good challenge. The other half of supporting characters are in that one. Vegeta bounces back and forth between the two.
It's like X-men comics. There's too many characters now for their to be one team and one book. We need multiples books now. Vegeta will appear in all of them like Wolverine does in the X-comics
Reizo Ryuu
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It has been stated multiple times that the past doesn't affect the future and that the future was already different even before goku died.
yeah like x-men comics
the ones that sell dozens of copies every month
the past doesn't affect the future
???
??????!?!
it may be time to stop posting, reizo
Reizo Ryuu
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You're saying it does? So they killed the androids and cell and then trunks went back to the future and it was all fixed and sunshine?
Icyflamez96
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What you're doing is saying that what she said is definitely true, and to do that, you would have to assume that she was absolutely informed on Zeno's plans, when Grand Priest didn't even know when he'd get to blowing up the universes. As indicated by the point that was previously mentioned. You claiming they don't exist without any backup argument doesn't make it not exist.
ArchedThunder
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Toei doesn't really have the resources to do ANOTHER show on top of everything they already have going.
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The Last One
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In DB universe it kinda doesn't. If it did, when they killed the androids in the past they would have to be dead in the future too, and that would mean that the androids didn't get to destroy the future since they were killed before this happen in the past, which means everyone would still be alive so Bulma actually didn't need to build the Time machine, which also means that Trunks never travelled to the future, so the androids are actually alive now!
the timeline was the same at whatever point it diverged; either Goku not dying, or FTrunks not killing Freeza, that is just shorthand, but Goku is more prominent; from the point of view of the current DBS timeline that only happened ~10 years ago
so basically there have been 12 universes since, at the very least, the last time Beerus was awake; that means before the timelines split. therefore, the FT timeline had 12 universes
since this Zeno thinks "12 universes are too much" the other Zeno thinks so too, given he had 12 universes too
so both Zenos thought there were too many universes...and yet the FT timeline was still there
that's a different timeline
once FTrunks killed Freeza and saved goku, obviously those events did effect the future of that timeline, but there was a split at that point. everything else was the same. hell, Babidi arrived to wake up Buu
Goku sped things up
Simple enough. Divide the budget and manpower in half. Produce half as many frames of animation for each show. Then everybody's happy.
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