Agnostic Priest
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Game sharing is my number 1 reason for going all digital. I get 2 copies of each game I buy, and I play a lot of different games with my friend on our 2 TV 2 Xbox set-up at work.
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The experience that pushed me into appreciating digital was actually discs cracking. My beloved copy of Rock Band 3 for the 360 cracked badly enough that I bought a second copy. When that copy started showing early signs of cracking I'd finally had enough and bought it digitally.
Unrelated anecdote: If Microsoft hadn't been so adamant about not allowing 360 controllers on the Xbox One I would have sorely tempted to pick up an Xbox One just for Rock Band 4. Since there was no commercial solution available to make my MIDI drum kit work at the time I re-purchased all the DLC I cared about for the PS4 version instead.
nillapuddin
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Game sharing is literally the best thing that has ever come of the Xbox Live service. Been doing it in some fashion for seemingly ever and now its the best and easiest it's ever been. Such an amazing feature.
You talking about a promotional deal that requires membership. If you look around there are deals on getting MS or Sony credit. I mean I gotten credit for 30% off the retail price.
SenkiDala
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As a said a few times, here in France buying games digitally is WAY more expensive than buying them physically... For exemple most of games day one on PSN/XBL are 69,99 digital and 49 physically... That's a pretty big difference. And on sales too, PSN sales are good here, XBL sales are pretty average, and games are very fast on sales (Dead Rising 4 29 retail 1 month after launch, a lot of games are 20/30 a few months after release...).
So it's a first reason.
Second one I'd say is for people who wanna switch. If for exemple someone have PS4 and then want to exchange/sell it for a XO, or vice versa, ALL is digital content is LOST, at least until he buys a console of this brand again and then can get his library back.
Also for some people lending games is important, I know you can share games to 1 person on XO for exemple but it's not the same... And you have to have your friend accepting to put your console as primary and you put his as your primary console.
Finally, but it's a personnal thing I guess, I'm scared as fuck to be hacked on PSN or XBL, honestly on XBL I'd already be pretty much fucked I've hundred of contents bought since the 360, I'd get crazy to lose all that. Seeing people getting hacked an the customer service not being able to give them back their account really scared me.
MosquitoSmasher
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Game sharing is great but I always remain slightly, ever so slightly worried. Because unless it's all in one household it's pretty much against the rules. And I'm sure if they wanted, one button and it's all gone. I'm sure they are well aware tons of people do it however.
I'd love to go all-in on digital but that won't be happening until I have the same consumer rights and protections as I do when purchasing a disc.
The fact my licenses can be irrevocably revoked for any reasonwith zero legal protectionis unacceptable.
Also, the price differential needs to be fixed too as that's the biggest issue for non-US customers right now, bar none.
The fact my licenses can be irrevocably revoked for any reasonwith zero legal protectionis unacceptable.
Also, the price differential needs to be fixed too as that's the biggest issue for non-US customers right now, bar none.
SenkiDala
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Damn, I checked some prices online, and prices in EU is really crazy when compared to US prices, talking about Xbox now.
For exemple:
-ROTR 20th Anniversary:
US - 69$ on sale now 34$
FR - 99 on sale now 50 (yes)
-Forza Horizon 2 & 3 bundle:
US - 99$ on sale now 60$
FR - 129 on sale now 78
I mean... What the fuck seriously. And there are not those problems on the PSN.
For exemple:
-ROTR 20th Anniversary:
US - 69$ on sale now 34$
FR - 99 on sale now 50 (yes)
-Forza Horizon 2 & 3 bundle:
US - 99$ on sale now 60$
FR - 129 on sale now 78
I mean... What the fuck seriously. And there are not those problems on the PSN.
SenkiDala
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Yes it's what I said in my previous post also.
All those reasons prevent me to go all digital. :/
Exactly. And is an important point if we want good games
Vol5
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There's also nothing stopping Nintendo, Sony and MS slowing down or stopping special sales meaning we have to pay full price for all games, all the time. With consumer rights as my biggest grievance, this is my second biggest worry about the all-digital future.
There is one thing that's stopping them: retail stores. As long as discs exist and are priced at the will of the retailer, price competition will continue to the extent it exists today.
Memorabilia
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Serious or...?
Edit: I'm not sure if you were implying that because we have Amazon streaming sticks this somehow means we're going to magically attain console power in a stick form-factor sometime soon? My hope is were implying the opposite.
i explicit said it's not a streaming device.
just a console in a very very small form factor
15 Watt usage
This is the Surface Studio Base
This is still a long way from "Xbox on a stick". I dont see how even 7nm+ is going to enable what you're talking about. Lithography tech would need to take a (wholly unrealistic) leap in the next half decade to bring it within the realm of the possible.
If a discless SKU happens at some point as an *option* it probably isn't going to be because of a stick design. More importantly, internet infrastructure concerns are probably more central to the debate.
ElfArmy177
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Uh you realize 4k is resolution and nothing to do with the assets on the game right?
Jessie.Bristol
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I don't know if Microsoft could get rid of "game sharing/Home Xbox exploit" even if they wanted to. The Xbox One's digital licensing is tied to that. If they wanted to nix it then they may have to wait until next gen (after Scorpio).
I use game sharing, but between two Xbox One's in my house.
"Jez Corden‏
@JezCorden
The rumors of Scorpio hitting in August or even earlier are false. Launch games require cert against October 2017 XDK."
https://twitter.com/jezcorden/status/868969717578555392
@JezCorden
The rumors of Scorpio hitting in August or even earlier are false. Launch games require cert against October 2017 XDK."
https://twitter.com/jezcorden/status/868969717578555392
nillapuddin
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LukasTaves
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It takes about 5 seconds alone to realize whether the game is on disc on digital. Even more if you have a huge library.
I used to have over 200 discs on 360. Imagine how painful it was when you have family visiting with little children that would play some games and misplace the discs?
On all digital games that's a non issue. Which is specially nice when you receive a game invite, or want to binge gaming.
LostMyNarbles
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Physical is nice because you can trade in games you don't think you'll play again for awhile and then grab it cheaper later on. I know I have plenty of digital XB1 and Steam games I would have traded if I could since I never replayed them. It's also often cheaper than digital especially for newer releases. That's about it for me.
Digital is nice because you don't need to worry about game switching which is especially convenient if you take your console anywhere or travel long distances with it. Also, I am personally not a fan of the space game cases take up. We have racks of old games in our basement practically just sitting there taking up space but nobody will get rid of them due to the sake of nostalgia. I'm at the point in my life were I don't want to collect a lot of junk or have things that take up unnecessary space.
Generally speaking I buy which ever is the best price and with Best Buy's amazing deals that is pretty much always physical.
Digital is nice because you don't need to worry about game switching which is especially convenient if you take your console anywhere or travel long distances with it. Also, I am personally not a fan of the space game cases take up. We have racks of old games in our basement practically just sitting there taking up space but nobody will get rid of them due to the sake of nostalgia. I'm at the point in my life were I don't want to collect a lot of junk or have things that take up unnecessary space.
Generally speaking I buy which ever is the best price and with Best Buy's amazing deals that is pretty much always physical.
Neander
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Yep, this too. I game share within my own household (XB1 upstairs set to home and XB1 downstairs when logged in) and it's just so convenient and satisfying when multiple members of the household want to play the same game.
That pretty much confirms a November release date then.
Green Yoshi
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It amazes me more that people who went all digital, still play on consoles. They lose so much money.
If I have the choice I always go with the disc. My internet connection is really slow and installing from disc is much faster.
Most console games are not either. In fact, most new digital games that are not AAA are 8ish GB. Even AAA's rarely hit 40GB. Exceptions are Halo, Wolfenstein, others.
Installs are a one time thing. With an external, grab one item and go - all games are with you. Seems like you understand that though.
What?
There are digital sales constantly. Follow Major Nelson. That's not a reason anymore. Plus Gamestop sells used discs for $5 cheaper than new. That's no savings.
Lose so much money how? Why? Already answered the install - installs are once. No value to speak of.
This!
I would switch to digital if digital games were 20% cheaper than retail discs because this would compensate me for not being able to sell the game later on.
Sadly it´s the other way around ...
And thus we contribute to game creators getting screwed....
/rant
Very often digital games launch with a discount, on X1 at least. Many times I buy at launch BECAUSE of that.
I assume you are not living in Europe? ;-)
I'm not. I speak in USA terms because that's what I know and that's where X1 is based.
Shpeshal Nick
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I've gone digital for all those reasons stemming from the main fact that I simply don't (or very very rarely) sell, trade and lend my games.
So it got to the point where I thought "If I'm just going to keep all these games anyway, why am I buying discs?"
So now I just wait for sales and price errors and buy digitally.
Frostman
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I feel like the main group of people going all digital, are from the USA, and when they question "Why people still use discs?" are stuck in their American bubble.
I agree that there are digital game sales, that's a guarantee, but when talking about saving money I think about launch prices.
On the digital Store you are looking at between £54.99 and £59.99 each release (Standard edition).
Physical I can get a game for £40, easy. It's an absolute no brainer. The prices suck going digital outside the US. This doesn't incude the other benefits such as selling/returning if you dislike, when you want, not within your 2 hour playing time window etc.
I agree that there are digital game sales, that's a guarantee, but when talking about saving money I think about launch prices.
On the digital Store you are looking at between £54.99 and £59.99 each release (Standard edition).
Physical I can get a game for £40, easy. It's an absolute no brainer. The prices suck going digital outside the US. This doesn't incude the other benefits such as selling/returning if you dislike, when you want, not within your 2 hour playing time window etc.
darkinstinct
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I have 200 Xbox One games and no space. Digital is the way to go. Just like I first got rid of my CD collection, then my DVD collection, then my BD collection. I still have a ton of PS3 and 360 games but I never use them. I want to have everything at a button press. I realize there are people with bandwidth caps and that sucks, but if you have 100 MBit and no caps there really is no reason to stay physical. And I am very price sensitive, I only buy digital when it is cheaper than physical. But that happens a lot (thank you no region lock).
The US is one of those countries with download restrictions. It's the rest of the world that is leading the digital revolution.
The US is one of those countries with download restrictions. It's the rest of the world that is leading the digital revolution.
Frostman
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Digital in the US represents 75% of game sales. Globally its 50%. They are one of the leaders.
Neander
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You can't enjoy the benefits of digital outside the US? No game sharing, etc...?
I mean if you're strictly focused on price then fine. But remember that for many people, the conveniences of digital (which have already been listed) are more than worth the full price.
MilkyJoe
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1) don't play Frisbee with your disks
2) contents insurance
3) only advantage on this list
4) but they sometimes arrive before launch (most pointless point on the list)
5) I'm not at school
6) resale
Malcolm9
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I don't buy games at launch these days as they usually end up in the digital sales fairly quickly, which has massively increased my digital to physical ratio.
In the UK trade in prices at GAME are awful, especially now they don't price match CEX, who's prices I would use to trade towards buying a new game at GAME (prior to them stopping the price match, the fools).
Digital is a lot more convenient in every way, especially if I take my Pro to a friend's house I don't have to carry game cases about.
If you are patient all games get decent price reductions. If you want physical though there are still decent sites about where you can get a much better price than the RRP.
In the UK trade in prices at GAME are awful, especially now they don't price match CEX, who's prices I would use to trade towards buying a new game at GAME (prior to them stopping the price match, the fools).
Digital is a lot more convenient in every way, especially if I take my Pro to a friend's house I don't have to carry game cases about.
If you are patient all games get decent price reductions. If you want physical though there are still decent sites about where you can get a much better price than the RRP.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Do you have a source for that? Seems like a number that is bloated by mobile sales, which doesn't make sense when talking about console sales.
Frostman
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You can of course, why wouldn't you be able to? we are comparing physical vs digital, and you can share games physically as well. My question is, is the premium price (+£20 a game) worth it? Not for me, and not for literally everyone else I know in my day to day life. I could buy another game with that £20!
Neander
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Game sharing digital is not the same as game sharing physical. You can't share you're physical game and still play it. That price difference evaporates when you take that into account.
MosquitoSmasher
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No way they would let Jez Corden confirm a August or earlier release when E3 is right around the corner. Now that I believe it will release then though. It would be quite a special moment if they did though.
Frostman
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ow-represent-74-percent-of-the-us-game-market
It does include mobile, and PC. But I never argued Console only, we were talking physical vs digital.
Frostman
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Ahh right. I've never game shared before, I wasn't sure how it worked. It's not a bad idea, if you have someone you can happily share with. I don't and I want to keep my £20, like I'm sure many others do. I'm sure there are also many who do have someone to game share with, but as I said before I don't know anyone who does.
What is this I don't even..
4K game assets take up way more space than 1080p assets..I can't believe I have to even point this out lol.
VincentMatts
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some games support 4k without having 4k assets. like every xbox one s game.
No they don't. Xbox one S upscales the games to 4k.
therealbigrich
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Looking through the Physical vs Digital post and I do think there definitely benefits to both and it just comes down to the individual person so neither is a wrong option. I still go physical cause of the resale values and none of the digital benefits actually help me other than not having to swap discs.
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