Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017

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Lady Gaia said:
Trade-in feels like a really consumer-friendly model until you realize what it does to game prices. If a single copy of a game is sold multiple times only the initial sale actually contributes anything to the publisher and developer. Let's say a million copies are sold new and two million people more people buy it used. The complete cost of developing and promoting it plus enough profit to cover the risks involved have to be completely carried by those first million sales. The net revenue from the other two million sales goes to GameStop or whoever else handles used sales. Now compare that to digital where no used sales are allowed, so the developer and publisher see revenue from each of the three million users.

Guess which approach will lead to more games being developed and the potential for more attractive game prices? Guess which one leads to more shady retail outlets pressuring people into buying used games while new game prices go up?
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No doubt. I used to trade in games as a kid. Getting 7 bucks for a game I paid $60 was disheartening, only to see GameStop relabel it and sell for $30.

eBay and Craigslist became things,I started using Gamestop's used prices to determine my own pricing- cutting them out of the loop. But this added to the hassle of offloading the game and collecting the $.

This experience sparked me to change my buying habits, only buy launch games that will keep my attention for much longer their resale value will hold. For all else I simply rent or wait until their digital prices drop- saving money in the process. The abundance of digital games on sale at any moment + the scores of "free" games released monthly usually makes the wait negligible.

The narrative that digital is inherently consumer unfriendly and that the physical ownership is inherently better is pretty tired at this point. I appreciate that more of my $ is going directly to devs/publishers (encouraging future investment) AND I enjoy the convienence AND I actually spend less money annually, yet I play more games than ever.
 
mike4001_ said:
Would be interesting to know:

Is anyone who is not from the US going all digital? :-)

(console ... not PC)
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If I buy digital I practically never buy from my countries marketplace due to the euro pricing. It'd indeed be interesting to see the divide between regions for physical vs digital.
 
I only buy digital. That is because if you have 2 XBOX's, you can use the game on both consoles. I am surprised how many people that own a console don't know this.

You buy game with one account. Login to both consoles to download. The console you will play it on, you make the OTHER the home console. That way other profiles can play the game and play online with it, even when you are logged into to the other.

This alone is reason to not buy disc anymore.
 
Alexious said:
Except, you know, that's not true 4K.
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You can run a game at 4k res without having higher res 4k assets. Saying a game is 4k refers to the res, and saying emulated KH2 is 4k is just as true as calling the Witcher 3 4k if they both run at the full resolution.

I think that's what these guys are saying. Rendering a XB1 game at 4k with no new assets is still at 4k.
 
MilkyJoe said:
1) don't play Frisbee with your disks
2) contents insurance
3) only advantage on this list
4) but they sometimes arrive before launch (most pointless point on the list)
5) I'm not at school

6) resale
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I didn't know we were only discussion YOUR buying habits.

I thought we were discussing whether or not benefits exists.

1)You don't have to play frisbee with a disc for it to scratch- shit happens. Kids, guests, accidents- anything.

2) Buying a game digitally IS essentially contents insurance in this case... and you don't even have to file a claim!

3) But I thought there were none?

4) so "sometimes" nullifies the entire point? Sometimes shipments arrive late, sometimes they get lost...

also, What about after launch? I can download a game right now, while I'm at work and it's ready to play when I get home.

5) what does being at school have to do with anything? I cut my spending in half, but gamesharing with my brother who's 600miles away.

6) again resale means nothing for a consumer who's usage outlasts resale value. I like many other don't buy games they intend to resell.

Just because the benefits don't interest you, doesn't mean there aren't benefits.
 
fritolay said:
I only buy digital. That is because if you have 2 XBOX's, you can use the game on both consoles. I am surprised how many people that own a console don't know this.

You buy game with one account. Login to both consoles to download. The console you will play it on, you make the OTHER the home console. That way other profiles can play the game and play online with it, even when you are logged into to the other.

This alone is reason to not buy disc anymore.
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This, and I suspect that 15 years from now, I'll be able to play many (all?) of my OG Xbone games on whatever MS offering is out there at that time. Without dusting off a box of old discs if physical drives for consoles even exist then.
 
Trup1aya said:
I didn't know we were only discussion YOUR buying habits.

I thought we were discussing whether or not benefits exists.

1)You don't have to play frisbee with a disc for it to scratch- shit happens. Kids, guests, accidents- anything.

2) Buying a game digitally IS essentially contents insurance in this case... and you don't even have to file a claim!

3) But I thought there were none?

4) so "sometimes" nullifies the entire point? Sometimes shipments arrive late, sometimes they get lost...

also, What about after launch? I can download a game right now, while I'm at work and it's ready to play when I get home.

5) what does being at school have to do with anything? I cut my spending in half, but gamesharing with my brother who's 600miles away.

6) again resale means nothing for a consumer who's usage outlasts resale value. I like many other don't buy games they intend to resell.

Just because the benefits don't interest you, doesn't mean there aren't benefits.
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1) you'd have to properly fuck a disk for it not to work.

2) you need to file a claim for your stolen console then redownload everything

3) potato potarto

4) I can pop out and buy the disk at lunch

5) well that's an advantage in a long distance relationship

6) you're discussing YOUR buying habits now. Trading in is an entire industry, so it still stands as the premier advantage on both lists.


We can also add price and;

On April 1st of 2016 Nintendo announced plans to shut down the DSi Shop on the Nintendo DSi and DSi XL, collectively referred to as DSiWare. The announcement revealed a two-part timeline: the ability to add funds would end on September 30th, 2016 and the ability to make purchases would end on March 31st, 2017. The announcement further stated that the ability to re-download DSiWare titles would end “at some point” but no further information has been revealed.
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And PT

You never quite own a digital anything.
 
MilkyJoe said:
1) you'd have to properly fuck a disk for it not to work.

2) you need to file a claim for your stolen console then redownload everything

3) potato potarto

4) I can pop out and buy the disk at lunch

5) well that's an advantage in a long distance relationship

6) you're discussing YOUR buying habits now. Trading in is an entire industry, so it still stands as the premier advantage on both lists.


We can also add price and;



And PT

You never quite own a digital anything.
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1) or just scratch it
2) or just log into your account
3) your statement was wrong
4) yes you leave, buy it, return home, and then wait for it to install the disc and day one patch
5) it works regardless of distance... but yes it is yet another advantage (the things you said didn't exist)
6) yes I am. The point being that the various advantages of either distribution method will weigh differently with different people- Which is what I said from the very beginning. This why comments like "there are no advantages to digital" are bullshit. It all boils down to each individuals use case.

Yes we CAN launch add price to the list of benefits of physical. there ARE a number of benefits to physical, a fact which no one denies.

I'm sorry if you feel burned by your "purchase" of P.T.
The whole DS thing blows- but I do business with companies that actually have a pretty reliable track record with digital.
 
Why the fuck has this thread derailed to physical vs digital games? I thought we were discussing project Scorpio in here.

Might as well change the title then.
 
VincentMatts said:
Most casual people wont know or care
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But the xbox one upscaling to 4k is no different than what your TV would do if you fed it a 1080p signal in the first place. Maybe a little better if you have a shitty TV but I'd say any sony or samsung TV at least will do as good of or better of a job at upscaling.

Even an OG PS4 or Xboxone will be uspcaled to 4k by your TV.
 
My wife has her own Xbox and we frequently play the same games together. This makes all arguments regarding physical moot, since it's cheaper to buy 1 digital copy vs 2 physical ones.

Likewise, I prefer not having a wall of disc cases and the convenience of jumping between games without having to get up is under rated. I still buy the odd physical if it's an incredible deal, but only for single player, 1 off experiences.
 
Trup1aya said:
1) or just scratch it
2) or just log into your account
3) your statement was wrong
4) yes you leave, but it, return home, and then wait for it to install the disc and day one patch
5) it works regardless of distance... but yes it is yet another advantage (the things you said didn't exist)
6) yes I am. The point being that the various advantages of either distribution method will weigh differently with different people. Which is what I said from the very beginning. This why comments like "there are no advantages to digital" are bullshit

I'm sorry if you feel burned you "purchase" of P.T.
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I didn't ever own PT. I'm pointing out you are reliant on games always being available for redownload. They won't. More accurately exampled in the quote you skirted over there.

Digital is essentially giving up your rights of ownership for convenience.

You ignored price too.

2) you still have to make a claim for your stolen console before you log in.


flkraven said:
My wife has her own Xbox and we frequently play the same games together. This makes all arguments regarding physical moot, since it's cheaper to buy 1 digital copy vs 2 physical ones.
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Eh? Are you sharing a game tag? You can install the same disk on both consoles. Regardless, the ability for a married couple, with 2 xboxes, wanting to play the same game, on two xboxes, at the same time, renders physical media moot? Are you kidding, I really can't tell.
 
What do we think it's going to be like on the sound front?

The mock up looks like one of those AMD fans that sound like a vacuum cleaner

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MilkyJoe said:
What do we think it's going to be like on the sound front?

The mock up looks like one of those AMD fans that sound like a vacuum cleaner

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Noise is highly dependent on the RPM of the cooler(s) and the usage of blower design by itself doesn't tell much about how noisy it can be. Most of consumer electronic devices with active cooling are using such blower style coolers these days, some of them are still very quiet.
 
I think after the efforts of the XB1 noise levels some consideration has also gone into the noise profile of the Scorpio. It's bound to be louder though unless they have worked some magic, those type of coolers aren't typically quiet when running high RPM.

If it has a good controller which regulates the speed effectively it could still be mostly quiet though.
 
MilkyJoe said:
Eh? Are you sharing a game tag? You can install the same disk on both consoles. Regardless, the ability for a married couple, with 2 xboxes, wanting to play the same game, on two xboxes, at the same time, renders physical media moot? Are you kidding, I really can't tell.
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You don't need to share a game tag. It doesn't need to be your wife. Two siblings could play each other. An adult and their kid.

I feel like I'm unnecessarily joining the dots for you...
 
dr_rus said:
Noise is highly dependent on the RPM of the cooler(s) and the usage of blower design by itself doesn't tell much about how noisy it can be. Most of consumer electronic devices with active cooling are using such blower style coolers these days, some of them are still very quiet.
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My Asus G752 laptop uses the same solution, vapor chamber cooling.
In comparison to my old Alienware it is a lot quieter (7970M vs 980M).

Scorpio is aimed at hardcore gamers, I expect it to have a premium price tag.
For everyone else there's the XB1S, people laughed at Mattick but it seems like that's the strategy MS is employing.
 
flkraven said:
My wife has her own Xbox and we frequently play the same games together. This makes all arguments regarding physical moot, since it's cheaper to buy 1 digital copy vs 2 physical ones.

Likewise, I prefer not having a wall of disc cases and the convenience of jumping between games without having to get up is under rated. I still buy the odd physical if it's an incredible deal, but only for single player, 1 off experiences.
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My friend and I do the exact same thing you and your wife do. I'm in Atlanta and he's in Chicago and we've never paid full price for new digital games.
 
MilkyJoe said:
Eh? Are you sharing a game tag? You can install the same disk on both consoles. Regardless, the ability for a married couple, with 2 xboxes, wanting to play the same game, on two xboxes, at the same time, renders physical media moot? Are you kidding, I really can't tell.
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I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying, or maybe not understanding how game sharing works?

My home Xbox is technically 'her' Xbox. I buy all digital games on my account. I can use the game on my physical Xbox because I'm logged into my gamertag when I'm playing them. Likewise, she can download and play the games on 'her' Xbox with her gamer tag because it is technically my 'home' xbox.

For example, the last game I bought day 1 was Battlefield 1. I paid full price digital (minus 10% for EA Access), then we both played multiplayer together. Maybe I could have gotten another 10-15% off at retail with the right preorder incentive, but I would have to buy the game twice. Does this make more sense explaining why physical media just doesn't make sense for me?
 
Lady Gaia said:
I realize it was intended to be cute, but even casual homophobia is damaging to many people in our society — including me. Please think twice before invoking anything of the sort.
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What the fuck is this??

How about maybe thinking that joke was a fun poke at friends doing it, regardless of orientation.

Fucking dare to call me a homophobe. You owe me an apology.
 
MilkyJoe said:
What do we think it's going to be like on the sound front?

The mock up looks like one of those AMD fans that sound like a vacuum cleaner

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That's not the Scorpio fan though.

https://www.xboxmaniac.es/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/xbox-scorpio-dimensiones.jpg

That's the Scorpio fan. And it worth repeating that air won't flow to the top as with the One and One S, it will be shoveled to the back of the device. Meaning the system will be fully closed on top (sides might provide airflow in), making it already more silent than a One S.
 
People definitely shouldn't worry about hardware after we've seen what they did with the S. Talking about a big improvement over the first Xbox One. Plus that DF clearly said we will be very happy when they reveal the Scorpio.

I don't believe we should be worried about a fan and noise. I never had that with Xbox One, I never hear my brother about it who has the S. PS4 Pro on the other hand is like a damn jet fighter taking off at his place.
 
nekkid said:
You don't need to share a game tag. It doesn't need to be your wife. Two siblings could play each other. An adult and their kid.

I feel like I'm unnecessarily joining the dots for you...
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So you can buy with one tag, play with another tag?

Think you are missing the point, I'm saying that uncommon scenario does not make physical irrelevant.

The most common scenario out there will be one xbox per household.

All these "what ifs" are not going to trump ownership.
 
My friend is in the marines and has been all over the world and his xbox is my "home xbox"
and my xbox is his "home xbox"

It has been awesome, we have bought/played a lot more games the past few years because buying one copy means we can both play, its been an awesome feature
 
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